We definitely need Kylo to go on a pilgrimage to Mustafar now.
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We definitely need Kylo to go on a pilgrimage to Mustafar now.
WadiumArcadium
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He wants to be the Emperor's right hand man. If he can make the Death Star a success he's hoping he'll be able to overtake Tarkin in the Imperial hierarchy. Much of his backstory and his relationship with the Erso's is covered in Catalyst though.
MegaSackman
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I didn't like Force Awakens but now it just turned into a terrible movie.
Rogue One might as well be my favourite Star Wars movie.
(I've seen every movie but not really a fan of the franchise).
Rogue One might as well be my favourite Star Wars movie.
(I've seen every movie but not really a fan of the franchise).
Yeah, by the end, if there was any romantic feelings between the two, they both seem to have already accepted that it's simply too late.
So why did they blow up their records base? seems nonsensical! It has ALL the records the Empire values and you just destroy them all? Obviously they don't have buck ups because if so why would you go there to get them?
Just seems crazy, like if the NSA was infiltrated and instead of getting the invaders out we just decide to blow the entire thing up.
Also I bet they somehow have her live. she was knocked up a giant rock or something.
Just seems crazy, like if the NSA was infiltrated and instead of getting the invaders out we just decide to blow the entire thing up.
Also I bet they somehow have her live. she was knocked up a giant rock or something.
beyond_death
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Oh shit yea, when they were riding that elevator down I was seriously thinking "dont do it, please dont do it".
He works his way up to one of the top positions in the Empire, jockeying for position with Moff Tarkin. Tries to use Vader as leverage, but quickly learns he doesn't give a shit. Can't handle being knocked down a peg. Goes off the rails.
He feels like a variant of Bob Morton/Dick Jones.
ZackieChan
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Back-In-Black
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So what? If I knew I was going out I'd be macking all over her face. In fact, it would seem the perfect time as you'll literally never get another chance to kiss her or her him.
I don't think The Force Awakens is terrible, but after watching Rogue One, I'm suddenly very aware of how "Disney-esque" TFA is, if that makes sense.
Rogue One has a very different tone, and it's one that I would like to see maintained going forward.
The new trilogy definitely needs to work on some strong villains. Snoke, Kylo, and Hux can't hold a candle to Krennic, Tarkin, and Vader. TFA just feels like Disney infused itself a little too much into that film.
BronsonLee
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'Oh my god, Cassian get off me'
'Look I'm sorry, I just tho'
*WE LIVIN ON AN ULTRA LIGHT BEAM*
I get it, but you're reinforcing my point. Imperial middle management just isn't that thrilling as a main villain.
Maybe it was the actor, but Krennic fell flat for me.
Pretty sure if I knew I was about to die, I'd be processing a helluva lot more than "shit, we gotta make out!"
Really? You learned nothing about his motivation? Were you not watching the movie? His motivation was to control the strongest super weapon in the galaxy to curry favor with the emperor. His entire drive for this was shown from the opening moments of the film as he was willing to let galen and his family return to the arms of the empire no harm no foul, and when the carrot didn't work he used the stick.
I think that his role is completely justified.
He's a member of the Alliance, of course he'd be there.
Back-In-Black
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Then they get hit with the woo wap, the bam.
I'm going to see it again so maybe I'll see it more favorably next time, but on this first viewing he did not work for me.
Neither did K2SO but I'm still processing my thoughts on him.
WadiumArcadium
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He definitely felt like a different kind of villain but I thought he was a good fit for the story. He does disappear a bit in the third act though. I have a feeling he was more involved in the action originally, what with that cut scene of him on the beach in the trailer.
MegaSackman
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Seriously, I found Krennic pretty interesting and well acted, and Vader was terrific. Tarkin reminded me to Tywin Lannister, quite good.
Kylo Ren? I chuckled when he took off his mask.
Snoke? Is that the name for your main villain? I throwed up in my mouth when I saw it.
I think that was the point
Okay, so time for a more detailed rundown of what I liked and didn't like
Liked:
- The entire third act -- this act alone carried the entire movie from being pretty mediocre into a solid Star Wars spinoff. Both the ground battle and space battle satisfied a need I had longed for in a Star Wars movie in that I wanted something really military-centric.
- Goes without saying at this point, but the attention to visual detail was really good - a lot of thought was put into a lot of the shots. This was especially every time the Death Star came in play.
- This movie and TFA really show how much Lucasfilm seriously ain't playing when it comes to detailed production design.
- Felicity Jones did a good job in her role. Not exactly her A-game, but she really put in some work. Mendehlson on the other had HAMs it up in such a good way.
- Michael Giacchino for obvious Michael Giacchino reasons.
Didn't like
- The fan service. If it's organic, I don't mind e.g. Jimmy Smits and taking ANH footage of pilots and plugging them in the battle. But the appearances of the Cantina people, R2D2, 3PO? Fuck off with that shit. There is no good reason for those whatsoever. Also, the Vader castle scene. On one hand "cool, more Vader. On the other hand, in the words of Lau from The Dark Knight, "a call would have sufficed."
- My biggest problem with the film: character development was crap. I'm sorry, but I could not give a damn for any of them.They just come in out of the blue and go "welp, guess we're doing this now." There is no character-building going on -- why should I care about Bodhi manning up? Chirrut and Baze died? Well that's too bad, but the movie never gives me a good reason to be fond of them apart from their staff/rifle-fu. Meanwhile, Cassian reminds me of Katana from Suicide Squad in that he explicitly states his flaws as a means of going PLEASE FEEL BAD FOR ME.
- On that note, Jyn is an interesting case because while she does have development in the film, it feels super sped up - like an abridged version. There are some good moments between her and Mads, but they don't feel earned either. Maybe I just need to read Catalyst, but as I have said for TFA despite the fact I like that film much more, I really shouldn't need to refer to a book in order for a movie to give me the full emotion.
- Acting of the rest of the leads was also kind of clunky throughout.
Liked:
- The entire third act -- this act alone carried the entire movie from being pretty mediocre into a solid Star Wars spinoff. Both the ground battle and space battle satisfied a need I had longed for in a Star Wars movie in that I wanted something really military-centric.
- Goes without saying at this point, but the attention to visual detail was really good - a lot of thought was put into a lot of the shots. This was especially every time the Death Star came in play.
- This movie and TFA really show how much Lucasfilm seriously ain't playing when it comes to detailed production design.
- Felicity Jones did a good job in her role. Not exactly her A-game, but she really put in some work. Mendehlson on the other had HAMs it up in such a good way.
- Michael Giacchino for obvious Michael Giacchino reasons.
Didn't like
- The fan service. If it's organic, I don't mind e.g. Jimmy Smits and taking ANH footage of pilots and plugging them in the battle. But the appearances of the Cantina people, R2D2, 3PO? Fuck off with that shit. There is no good reason for those whatsoever. Also, the Vader castle scene. On one hand "cool, more Vader. On the other hand, in the words of Lau from The Dark Knight, "a call would have sufficed."
- My biggest problem with the film: character development was crap. I'm sorry, but I could not give a damn for any of them.They just come in out of the blue and go "welp, guess we're doing this now." There is no character-building going on -- why should I care about Bodhi manning up? Chirrut and Baze died? Well that's too bad, but the movie never gives me a good reason to be fond of them apart from their staff/rifle-fu. Meanwhile, Cassian reminds me of Katana from Suicide Squad in that he explicitly states his flaws as a means of going PLEASE FEEL BAD FOR ME.
- On that note, Jyn is an interesting case because while she does have development in the film, it feels super sped up - like an abridged version. There are some good moments between her and Mads, but they don't feel earned either. Maybe I just need to read Catalyst, but as I have said for TFA despite the fact I like that film much more, I really shouldn't need to refer to a book in order for a movie to give me the full emotion.
- Acting of the rest of the leads was also kind of clunky throughout.
lol yea I had a few in the theater looking a bit lost as well at the end because of them all dying like that
The movie was pretty much the Halo Reach of Star Wars. I liked they went with this approach and part of me felt they "might" when the synopsis came out about it. Didn't think they would pull the trigger on it.
Razgriz-Specter
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I feel everyone had decent deaths in this though compared to Reach.
Dash_Riprock
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Think about the movie sounds like it was chopped up something big in the editing phase. I feel that a lot of character development scenes were left on the cutting room floor so more action could be added. The first act especially feels rushed to all hell.
You were supposed to.
You were supposed to.
Lionel Mandrake
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Rogue One was actually some kind of suicide squad.
WadiumArcadium
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Jorge's was probably the best out of the Reach death scenes.
Why did you come here with this
BlastProcessing
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See I read TFA as being Star Wars-esque and Rouge One being something different. TFA feels like it fits in the Star Wars. Rouge One feels like something that was made for people who grew up with Star Wars. In my eyes, a Star Wars film should be suitable for a 6 year old. Personally, I am going to prefer the thing that fits, but I understand how people would prefer the new thing.
My hot take is that I like it, but I rank it 5th. I think it would have worked better as a high budget HBO style miniseries. It really needed more time and the different format would have helped separate it from the films a bit. The beginning is a bit rushed and fractured. All that said, it's the only prequel that I will acknowledge.
Dash_Riprock
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What have you done...
Rawr Its Ry
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idk if its me but during that last vader scene i imagine vader listening to 21 savage while murking all those rebels....
GodParticle
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Wasn't too impressed after seeing. The first third was just boring. The characters were kind of flat, though I did like the force guy and sidekick. The whole thing just felt weirdly cut. Tarkin was a surprise. His cgi looked convincing enough on a regular screen, unlike leia's. Probably because he wasn't so brightly lit like her scene. Speaking of, it just kind of ended abruptly there. Vader at the end, though, was worth the price of admission. What a badass haha
weepingangelz
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Everyone had a very PG explosion death. I was hoping Vader would've slashed someone we know in half.
Back-In-Black
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What are we? Some kind of Rogue One: A New Hope: A Star Wars Story?
Stolen from YT.
In my nightmares.
Agreed. There were some really nice shots but overall the film just lurches.
Honestly, I feel it's the action beats. I get that people are tuning in to Star Wars for big dumb laser explosions in space but this was a spin-off. Here's the chance to do something. Instead, we have more big dumb laser explosions in space and zero characterization. The entire Beaches of Normandy sequence just ran on for so long and tried to make so many banal things high tension (retrieving a file from a filing cabinet, running an extension cord to a power outlet and the ever so intense pulling a switch) that any moment that could possibly be used to contextualize, humanize or characterize the actors in the drama was sped up.
I mean, from the very start why did Jyn's mother run back to threaten the villain in the cornfield? I mean, I can come up with a plausible explanation. She was a diehard believer in the rebellion and the Jedi religion and convinced her husband to abandon his super evil death laser project for the good of humanity. Now, given the opportunity, she seized at the moment to prevent the development of the Space Manhattan Project.
But, I mean, even running with this explanation, I don't know why she didn't try to shoot her husband. Killing the villain is meaningless. It's not like he's a scientist. He's just a pushy boss. And there's five or whatever stormtroopers standing in the field. They can (and did) simply shoot her and whisk her husband away. We can't even argue that it was a poor decision made in the heat of the moment because she had ran halfway to the safehouse before patting her child on the bum and shooing her off in order to run pointlessly into death while accomplishing nothing. Not to mention that her death isn't even justified in a narrative perspective because Jyn never really cared her mother died. She was just upset her father disappeared/abandoned her/whatever.
I'd write this off as a nitpick but every single character runs into these sorts of problems throughout the movie. Hell, it seemed weird they had to run after Mads despite Jyn already being told what the weakness for the Deathstar was. Granted, we know they needed schematics simply because A New Hope already exists. But if Mads lab hadn't inexplicably completely blown up, surely they could have salvaged that and skipped the final ending?
I agree that Tarkin's CGI was really distracting too. Also, is any other character as obsessed with "test running" their new weapon as Tarkin? First Space Jerusalem, then Space Normandy then Alderaan. Apparently he really needs a lot of trial runs for the Deathstar.
(The inconsistencies with A New Hope do really irk me though. There isn't any good explanation for the blockade runner. Vader pressing Leia about "intercepting transmission" is misleading now. She was physically handed a disk. Leia being so shocked by the Deathstar's capabilities despite seeing just a taste of it in action in person while also knowing that it can destroy planets...)
BrokenFiction
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Chopper shows up in the scene where Mon Monthma is learning about the Scarif attack. He's on the left of the screen when the communications officer intercepts the info about the attack on Scarif and runs out of the room.
Gozer the Gozerian
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Ya I like that "Disney-esque" whimsy in my Star Wars. Give me ESB yoda and jawas doing jawa shit all day man, that's part of what make it special for me.
shira
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Mine was full of kids. Most fell asleep. It's not for kids
Spiritreaver
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Just saw it.
I love Star Wars for the epic space battles and this movie had a damn good one. Probably one of my favorites It was way better than TFA's.
I love Star Wars for the epic space battles and this movie had a damn good one. Probably one of my favorites It was way better than TFA's.
GodParticle
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Almost forgot about that one. I literally rolled my eyes at the choke on your own ambition line. That combined with the super cheesy turn to the camera and force choke pose haha
Been listening to the soundtrack today. Jyn's theme and it's variations (like Your Father Would be Proud), the Imperial Suite, and Hope (the Vader slaughter music) are all wonderful and up there with the regular Williams stuff. I think Giacchino will do just fine if he gets more time in the future.
There's a lot of interesting stuff, just not a lot that sticks in the brain. But those pieces are great.
There's a lot of interesting stuff, just not a lot that sticks in the brain. But those pieces are great.
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Lifejumper
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Im really excited about. Lord and Miller on a SW western heist style movie with Donald Glover and Alden? Yesss.
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