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Rogue One: A Star Wars Story |OT| They rebel - SPOILERS

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Back-In-Black said:
You mean like how at the very beginning of the movie when he murders her mother, kidnaps her father, and tells his troops to find the stupid girl? Or when Jyn recalls a flashback of her dad working with Krennic, his figure ever present in the background? Or when she calls out, "Papa!" on Edou only for him to get blown up beside Krennic and then as Krennic gets into his shuttle he pauses and looks back at the corpse of Arso and Jyn whilst silhouetted in red?
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Dude, the movie was building up from the get-go that this was a story about Jyn finding herself and completing her father's work. The emphasis of the movie wasn't about getting revenge, ergo, wasn't building toward a confrontation between the two. Krennic wasn't out constantly looking for Jyn; Jyn was not constantly looking for Krennic. The movie had a lot of events involved with the two, yes, but their dislike or hate or whatever for each other wasn't compelling Event A to move to Event B in so on. It was not building to this ultimate, confrontation. Krennic just, basically, happened to run into Erso on the tower.
 
RS4- said:
One or two theatres here have it in 4dx though lol. I guess you can smell Jyn and the rebel scum.
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Civil War in 4dx was like a neck workout as the seats twisted me away from what I actually wanted to see lol. Left me sour on the format
 
Back-In-Black said:
Agreed, though everything about Krennic felt wrong as if his character went through a lot of changes. The entire third act he has nothing to do, he just stands in the control room shouting orders and then is like, "fuck it, I'll handle this personally even though its never been established I'm a physical threat to anyone." It's as if the film couldn't decide if Krennic was this cold tactician, who achieved results and power through fear and manipulation ala Tarkin or some badass Imperial Agent like a Boba Fett. Thus, he ends up switching between both as the plot demands.
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I thought it was more he wants to be both.

Like he's all about his credit, and working his way up the ranks. He's a project director who saw the DS as his ladder, he thinks he should be more than he is. He wants to be above Tarkin. Hell he kind of wants to challenge Vader's authority a bit until Vader puts an end to that.

Krennic is the crony who wants to be the boss and is just convinced that he's not getting a fair shake. So when he inadvertently finds himself in a situation in the third act where he gets to be all the things, just like his superiors. (And generally appears to be pretty terrible at it. It's when Vader and Tarkin arrive that shit gets done)
 
First 20 mins are music and what the fuck is going on moments. I thought the trailers showed a better movie than what we got, but I won't deny the color pallette and scenery change didn't bother me. Even the Red and Gold leaders chimming in was a nice touch. Still don't get the point of the Rebel clans ships.... Oh shit they're shooting at us!!!!
 
The Librarian said:
Dude, the movie was building up from the get-go that this was a story about Jyn finding herself and completing her father's work. The emphasis of the movie wasn't about getting revenge, ergo, wasn't building toward a confrontation between the two. Krennic wasn't out constantly looking for Jyn; Jyn was not constantly looking for Krennic. The movie had a lot of events involved with the two, yes, but their dislike or hate or whatever for each other wasn't compelling Event A to move to Event B in so on. It was not building to this ultimate, confrontation. Krennic just, basically, happened to run into Erso on the tower.
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Exactly. He didn't even know who she was when they met up there.
 
The Librarian said:
I'm not sure it can be called anticlimactic when that wasn't the focus of the movie; the movie wasn't building to any sort of confrontation between the two. It portrayed their final meeting as a happenstance, basically, which is why I wasn't too bothered that Cassian shot him in the end.
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My casual guess would be that the original ending didn't even have Jyn and Krennic meeting. I'm assuming that was part of the motivation to do a big restructure.
 
Veelk said:
Jyn's motivation for being part of the rebellion is for retribution for how her family has suffered.
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Yes, but by stealing the death star plans, not getting revenge against Krennic! That's where the movie's emphasis is. That's where HER focus is. Not killing Krennic.
 
ratcliffja said:
I enjoyed Rogue One a lot more than TFA, but I can see how some would find it a bit light on adventure... But light on action? The action in this blows anything in TFA away completely.
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Not for me. I liked the Jakku chase and the saber duel much more than anything in this but mostly because I liked the characters a lot more.
 
I'm not arguing that Jyn killing Krennic wouldn't have been better, just that, where HER focus was and how the movie was structured, it's not the, nor one of the, biggest problems with the film.

If Cassian or Baze or Bodhi had done the final steps to steal the death star plans, THAT would've been anticlimactic and dealt a huge blow to Jyn and the movie.
 
The Librarian said:
Yes, but by stealing the death star plans, not getting revenge against Krennic! That's where the movie's emphasis is. That's where HER focus is. Not killing Krennic.
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Yeah, but...I mean, fuck, that's just not a human reaction and it all the more emphasizes how Jyn's only a proxy of her father. The man ruined her life! And the only thing that the story does to acknowledge that is have her stare at him for a bit? Come on.

Just to be clear, I'm not saying that the only way for this to be resolved was for Jyn to personally murder Krennic. But she ought to have been the one to put him down in some way. He should have fallen as a result of her actions, not Cassian randomly showing up.

The Librarian said:
I'm not arguing that Jyn killing Krennic wouldn't have been better, just that, where HER focus was and how the movie was structured, it's not the, nor one of the, biggest problems with the film.

If Cassian or Baze or Bodhi had done the final steps to steal the death star plans, THAT would've been anticlimactic and dealt a huge blow to Jyn and the movie.
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Yeah, that would have been even worse, but there's just such an impersonal feel to Jyn's motivation that having her resolve her issues with Krennic personally would have remedied her lack of direct motivation to some extent. It's a poor decision in my eyes, all the worse for it's placement at the climax of the entire movie.
 
I loved the movie, but mainly I've got 2 concerns:

1) The pacing and planet hoping was odd for a SW movie. Although I did enjoy the characters we met in this portion of the film.

2) Jones' voice for Vader was good just not want I wanted from him. I know he's old now. ANH and Empire Vader was much more intimidating and threatening. I know I know whAt about that last scene. Yes he wrecked shop like all us Vader fans wanted. I wanted that anger in Vaders voice like the first scene in ANH. You know the lines. 'If this is a counselor ship then where are the ambassadors?' 'You're a rebel and a traitor. In ANH those lines sounded terrifying and intimidating and really could show how menacing he was.

Even with those tiny things the movie was great
 
I'm a huge fan of naval battles, whether sci-fi or not. So I was ecstatic about the final act. But what really let me down is not a single of the bigger ships shoot any of their guns. Ever! I had the biggest set of blueballs ever. I can't find enough gifs to express the kind of BOOM and BABAM and stuff I wanted.

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Krennic's death was more grounded and realistic than some epic struggle between those two.

It was the classic "character you didn't see die sneaks up behind the big bad" deal. Krennic's is a little shit who doesn't deserve a big sendoff.

After all, no one even remembered that he existed.
 
The Librarian said:
The emphasis of the movie wasn't about getting revenge, ergo, wasn't building toward a confrontation between the two.
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You cant really claim that when the movie has them staring each other in the face at the climax. Maybe it didn't lay a huge amount of groundwork (you know, disregarding that everything bad that has happened in Jyns life has been because of him and she definitely knows who he is) but the movie put the confrontation right on the table. Anyways not a dealbreaker for me, just an odd narrative choice where I would have appreciated a nice character moment.
 
Vincent Alexander said:
I'm a huge fan of naval battles, whether sci-fi or not. So I was ecstatic about the final act. But what really let me down is not a single of the bigger ships shoot any of their guns. Ever! I had the biggest set of blueballs ever. I can't find enough gifs to express the kind of BOOM and BABAM and stuff I wanted.

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You get that kind of shot more than a couple times on Eadu though
 
RS4- said:
Re: the hate on Tarkin's CGI, IMAX or not, with or without the 3d?

Or maybe just a shit projector.
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I didn't "hate" it, though I don't think it looked all that good. I watched in non-IMAX, non-3D. I thought Leia looked good at the end and didn't even think it looked like CGI. I also didn't spy anything else visually that looked bad to me, either CGI-wise or in things like scenery, costumes, or other. Just Tarkin. It looked a bit too shiny to me, as well as not looking as old as Tarkin does in ANH (didn't look as wrinkled and weathered, possibly due to the 'shiny' aspect?"
 
Veelk said:
Yeah, but...I mean, fuck, that's just not a human reaction and it all the more emphasizes how Jyn's only a proxy of her father. The man ruined her life! And the only thing that the story does to acknowledge that is have her stare at him for a bit? Come on.

Just to be clear, I'm not saying that the only way for this to be resolved was for Jyn to personally murder Krennic. But she ought to have been the one to put him down in some way. He should have fallen as a result of her actions, not Cassian randomly showing up.
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Well, she kinda did, didn't she? She's the one who lead the charge to steal the Death Star plans which ultimately lead to Krennic's end.

I'm not sure I get the proxy complaint, really. We all do things for other people because we care about them. Doesn't make us a proxy of that person.
 
Back-In-Black said:
And? She knows who he is, that's what matters.
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It's not like she's been looking for this man her whole life either. Sure he killed her mother she does harbor resentment no doubt, but he didn't even kill her father.

That said. I don't really care or mind that she didn't have a hand in the death of Krennic. She had a more important mission and that was continuing what her father started. I also think it's great he was killed by the weapon he wanted to much credit for.
 
Bobby Roberts said:
You get that kind of shot more than a couple times on Eadu though
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Didn't really get the ship to ship broadsiding like in ROTS though.

Also couldn't even figure out why the rebel flagship was disabled besides for plot reasons. Did they actually show the engines getting blown?
 
Boke1879 said:
It's not like she's been looking for this man her whole life either. Sure he killed her mother she does harbor resentment no doubt, but he didn't even kill her father.

That said. I don't really care or mind that she didn't have a hand in the death of Krennic. She had a more important mission and that was continuing what her father started. I also think it's great he was killed by the weapon he wanted to much credit for.
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lmfao Galen's work ended up killing him in the end.
 
Vincent Alexander said:
I'm a huge fan of naval battles, whether sci-fi or not. So I was ecstatic about the final act. But what really let me down is not a single of the bigger ships shoot any of their guns. Ever! I had the biggest set of blueballs ever. I can't find enough gifs to express the kind of BOOM and BABAM and stuff I wanted.

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Me too, but Rebel ships never seemed to have that kind of fire power. Like X-Wings, they're more about taking a beating. BSG has some top-tier capship battles, though.

BRACE FOR IMPACT!
 
I thoroughly enjoyed this movie. I loved most of the characters. Didn't have any expectations so it made the experience better. Vader at the end was the icing.

It's one of my favorites for sure.
 
The Librarian said:
Well, she kinda did, didn't she? She's the one who lead the charge to steal the Death Star plans which ultimately lead to Krennic's end.
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I don't feel so, no. There are significant steps of seperation from it. What I wanted from Jyn is something more personal and direct. Having her resolve the fight between her and her family's murderer would have been that.

I'm not sure I get the proxy complaint, really. We all do things for other people because we care about them. Doesn't make us a proxy of that person.
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Right, but in this case, Jyn was just doing what her father planned to do anyway. She was fulfilling his desired action. What does Jyn want for herself, on a personal level? Just to compare, Rey wanted to see the galaxy, to become a legend like the Jedi, not because that's what someone else wanted, but because she personally had that dream. I imagine some retribution against Krennic could have been one thing that Jyn dreamed of for herself.
 
Also can I just say I thought CG Tarkin looked great? I mean I fully knew going in he was CG, but aside from a few movements with his mouth I thought he was great.

You could definitely tell Leia was CG but it was ok. My theater didn't care. They literally erupted with applause when they saw her white dress and then her face afterwards. Seriously it was a perfect ending.
 
Jesús, the hate for CGI in Star Wars is unreal.

Tarkin looked great aside from some odd lip movements.

Leia was just a cameo that was cheered at by my audience, even if it looked a bit iffy.
 
Had no clue Tarkin was CG, thought he was an incredible replacement.

Leia seemed... off, yeah, but she is credited as being played by someone?
 
brandonh83 said:
There is definitely a hint of Yorktown in Jyn's theme, but it wasn't enough to dominate it and the theme is beautiful. I was down on the score when I saw the movie but after I got the soundtrack I feel way better about it. You're right too about the new Imperial theme, I guess it's meant to be more of a Krennic theme. But I think it's very powerful and memorable.
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I was familiar with the soundtrack before seeing the movie and thought it was alright, not top-grade Giacchino but serviceable given the amount of time he had to write it. In the film, it's a very different story. It often seemed at odds with what was happening, bombast that wasn't earned. I was especially horrified by the first minute of "The Master Switch", which is the same motive repeated endlessly. It was annoying on the soundtrack but even worse in the film. It was perplexing because even when he's not inspired (Zootopia, for instance), you can usually count on him to nail the dramatic beats of scenes.

(It doesn't help that the music left off the soundtrack is distinctly weaker. To be fair, this is generally the case with film scores.)
 
Fj0823 said:
Jesús, the hate for CGI in Star Wars is unreal.

Tarkin looked great aside from some odd lip movements.

Leia was just a cameo that was cheered at by my audience, even if it looked a bit iffy.
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No way people actually applauded her in your theater. I only ask because when I saw The Force Awakens at midnight last year, she was the only cast member who didn't get applause. But crowds are all different, I guess. Although I didn't like A Rogue One, I actually kind of liked the CG Tarkin. The first scene I hated it. As it went on, it grew on me.

cj_iwakura said:
Me too, but Rebel ships never seemed to have that kind of fire power. Like X-Wings, they're more about taking a beating. BSG has some top-tier capship battles, though.

BRACE FOR IMPACT!
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Damn skippy. Just looking at that gif was a mistake. I haven't rewatched BSG in too long.
 
Vincent Alexander said:
No way people actually applauded her in your theater. I only ask because when I saw The Force Awakens at midnight last year, she was the only cast member who didn't get applause. But crowds are all different, I guess. Although I didn't like A Rogue One, I actually kind of liked the CG Tarkin. The first scene I hated it. As it went on, it grew on me.

Damn skippy. Just looking at that gif was a mistake. I haven't rewatched BSG in too long.
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My theater literally cheered and applauded when they say the back of her gown and then when she showed her face. Like people were hype as hell for that.
 
Vincent Alexander said:
No way people actually applauded her in your theater. I only ask because when I saw The Force Awakens at midnight last year, she was the only cast member who didn't get applause. But crowds are all different, I guess. Although I didn't like A Rogue One, I actually kind of liked the CG Tarkin. The first scene I hated it. As it went on, it grew on me.
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I think that has to do a lot with Nostalgia.

Maybe the imagery of classic Leia resonates better than old and kinda angry looking Leia.

Ford sold his Han far better.
 
I'll be honest. I had no idea that Tarkin was CG. Like, I knew that the original dude would have to be the oldest living man on earth, but it also looked TOO real that I thought it might just be fancy makeup.
 
DTU said:
I'll be honest. I had no idea that Tarkin was CG. Like, I knew that the original dude would have to be the oldest living man on earth, but it also looked TOO real that I thought it might just be fancy makeup.
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That's what I'm saying. I knew he was CG heading into the movie, but aside from some odd mouth movements. He looked really good.
 
Fj0823 said:
Jesús, the hate for CGI in Star Wars is unreal.

Tarkin looked great aside from some odd lip movements.

Leia was just a cameo that was cheered at by my audience, even if it looked a bit iffy.
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Modeling an actual human actor who is now deceased in CGI alongside human actors in a live action film is a lot more than "CGI in Star Wars". You have a team of artists and animators not only approximating Peter Cushing's likeness, but also his acting. It's insane and weird and worthy of criticism all on its own.
 
Boke1879 said:
That's what I'm saying. I knew he was CG heading into the movie, but aside from some odd mouth movements. He looked really good.
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I didn't even know that Tarkin was in the movie, let a lone CG Cushing. I just thought "what he hell, Tarkin's in this? Wouldn't that make him the oldest man alive?"
 
HiredN00bs said:
Modeling an actual human actor who is now deceased in CGI alongside human actors in a live action film is a lot more than "CGI in Star Wars". You have a team of artists and animators not only approximating Peter Cushing's likeness, but also his acting. It's insane and weird and worthy of criticism all on its own.
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The ethics of it sure, but they did a damn good job.

They can argue that they own the likeness of Tarkin.
 
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