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Rogue One: A Star Wars Story |OT| They rebel - SPOILERS
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Celcius
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The first part of the movie was boring but the final scene with Vader was awesome. At first I didn't think there would be much to K-2SO but that was one baaaaad robot lol. While watching the movie I kept thinking to myself though "this seems more like a b-tier star wars movie than the usual stuff".
Why? I mean, if you think they failed in some respect, by all means, feel free, but you seem to take issue with the very idea of creating a cgi actor in star wars. They did a fantastic job in that endevour and it opens the doors to movies with actors that are no longer available. I would support the fuck out of that.
So is the assumption that Cassian is Bothan? And all the space marine dudes are Bothan? Because the one thing they point out about the Death Star plans is that many Bothans died getting them. So I kept expecting someone to say, "HEY THESE GUYS ARE BOTHANS."
EDIT: oh crap that was ROTJ? My SW is all mixed up.
EDIT: oh crap that was ROTJ? My SW is all mixed up.
StopMakingSense
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cj_iwakura
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I'm probably putting too much thought into this, but this doesn't retcon the design of the Death Star in Episode 2, does it? Maybe he just helped design it later on?
Also, why didn't Leia go straight back to Yavin IV?
Also, why didn't Leia go straight back to Yavin IV?
Didn't want to lead them to the rebel base?
edit - StopMakingSense is making sense, Obi Juan.
StopMakingSense
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Her dad ordered her to make contact with Obi-Wan.
HiredN00bs
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Forget the ethics, the artistry of it is highly questionable. They got new actors for other characters. Just let someone else play the part. It was a lot of work for a weird outcome that isn't any closer to the real thing. Not only is the person you're trying to emulate not that person, but they're not even human.
It's meant to reinforce the extremity/insanity of Saw.
ryutaro's mama
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I went back and watched the first trailer again (the only one I watched before my media blackout). Man, so much in that trailer wasn't in the final film and was I the only one that preferred that version of Saw over the one we ended up with?
#teambaldsaw
#teambaldsaw
This is explained in the book Catalyst but Galen Erso was only responsible for the energy weapon/kyber crystal part of the Death Star
Yeah seems like they reworked a huge portion of the movie
http://www.slashfilm.com/rogue-one-missing-trailer-footage/
This.
Bobby Roberts
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Bothans never stole any plans, either. What they died for was the location of the Death Star II. Basically they went looking, found it, and a bunch of em died trying to report back where it was.
You don't really need plans for something that's got its whole ass just hanging out like that.
cj_iwakura
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I'd think delivering the plans that got an admiral and a few hundred rebels killed would take priority...
Vincent Alexander
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The way I take it is that they had the plans for a death star on paper, but shit wasn't working as it should have. When it was being put together it wasn't working out, which is why they thought they needed Jyn's father to complete it.
Yeah...I'm not a big fan of Ortega ordering her to seek out Obi-Wan. I like it better in my mind simply that she'd heard stories of him from her father, and personally sought him out as she was at the end of her road and he was the only one she could trust. It really makes no sense why on earth the rebellion would need Obi-Wan, and thus send Leia there with plans.
If she thought the empire was tailing her id doubt she'd make a beeline for the secret rebel hq. Turns out heading towards Obiwan was a solid choice
Basically Galen is the scientist who figured out how to harness enough energy from polished kyber crystals to generate enough energy to blow up a planet. This weaponry worked to a smaller degree in the timeline before the movie, just not enough to destroy a planet.
Skyball Paint
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Seeing a ship from KOTOR on the big screen made me weirdly excited, even more so that it actually played a significant role in the battle and wasn't just a "blink and you'll miss it" easter egg in the background.
Bobby Roberts
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Yeah, there's nothing that says the Geonosian's battle station plans ever included that weapons dish being able to destroy a whole planet. We just assumed that's what it would do because we'd seen its finished form.
It's possible that once they started building the thing, they got ambitious about just how much firepower that dish could channel, at which point Krennic needed to get a hold of Galen Erso.
It's possible that once they started building the thing, they got ambitious about just how much firepower that dish could channel, at which point Krennic needed to get a hold of Galen Erso.
Metalingus5150
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I had the same feeling.
Bonen no Max'd
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B-Wings and A-Wings weren't used until after the Battle of Yavin.
EYEL1NER
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One thing that amused me was seeing how shitty the planet in the beginning where Young Jyn and family lived looked. I could swear it was here, maybe it wasn't, but somewhere on the net I saw someone complaining about the shot in a trailer of the farm with the evaporators standing around it. The person's comments were something like "The evaporators made sense in ANH since Lars and Beru had a moisture farm in the middle of an arid desert. Why are they in this trailer on this farm? Obviously someone in set design just thought they needed to include them so we would know we were watching a Star Wars movie." I kind of had a chuckle at the comments when I saw them, but then this film kicks off and we see that the planet is super-rocky and probably a bitch to grow anything on, like some kind of planet that would need machine assistance to keep a farm running. So I had a bit of a smirk on my face in the beginning.
Krennic was interested in Galen before its construction began.
crackhead_bob
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I didn't really mind the CGI work with Tarkin, but the Leia shot at the end was really jarring. I don't know if it's me, or if we've placed too much criticism on CGI performance. I don't think with the way our minds are hard-wired, that we can ever be fully convinced that a computer replicated face can pass as the real thing. Something in our minds won't allow that to register, and that's where I think part of the problem lies.
If they ended up recasting the role, I think there would be less controversy, even if the actor didn't look one hundred percent like Cushing.
I wonder what kids will think about CGI Leia in 20 years. I spoke to a co-worker today who came of age during the prequels and admitted to liking them as much as the originals. I was absolutely floored by his statement, and wondered what he might think of CGI Cushing, as opposed to Peter Cushing. Will he have the same discerning eye as those who notice these types of discrepancies? Not that it bothers me, of course, but was thinking about that when I was walking out of the theater last night.
If they ended up recasting the role, I think there would be less controversy, even if the actor didn't look one hundred percent like Cushing.
I wonder what kids will think about CGI Leia in 20 years. I spoke to a co-worker today who came of age during the prequels and admitted to liking them as much as the originals. I was absolutely floored by his statement, and wondered what he might think of CGI Cushing, as opposed to Peter Cushing. Will he have the same discerning eye as those who notice these types of discrepancies? Not that it bothers me, of course, but was thinking about that when I was walking out of the theater last night.
Rentahamster
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Oh yeah I forgot about that. Hmm.
Bobby Roberts
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Well yeah, he was a very highly regarded scientist, and they were friends in school. At least I'm pretty sure that's what the book states? (I've forgotten most of it)
But that doesn't really mean what the Geonosians were thinking of building was a 1:1 with what we actually got, either. It's entirely possible what Poggle handed Dooku was never intended to be a planet killer. Just that the Empire definitely wanted it to be one. Krennic definitely did - it would have cemented his position in the Empire. And Krennic knew a guy who could make it so.
I don't think it really makes any difference. They were lying before this movie came out. They're still lying now. The lie was always thin bullshit before. Now it's just more of a "fuck you, I'm sticking to my story, do something about it" kind of lie as opposed to "nobody will believe this but you can't prove shit, fuck you." kinda lie.
But there's no reading of Star Wars movie in which everyone on either side of the confrontation doesn't know the rebels are lying their ass off at the beginning of the movie. Rogue One doesn't change that.
Spine_Ripper
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So many little things to comment on, but one thing I think we can all agree on was seeing the droid stomp some storm troopers with...a storm trooper was awesome. It was the star wars version of this:
Razgriz-Specter
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Rebels retconed that.
its just a different cell that had A-wings,
Bwing was only in prototype form at that time though.
Obi-Wan was an extremely well regarded General, he probably considered Obi-Wan being involved in all upcoming conflicts priority.
SoldierOfLight
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Just got back from my 5 pm viewing. Wow what an amazing film.
I enjoyed force awakens and yet have been leaning on the dislike for it over time.
This star was movie was just so perfect. It had so much potential to be cheesy and kiddie like others but it didn't. Examples being, no cutsie silly alien creature.
No cheesy force magically happening to push the master switch.
No forced movie cliche of the protagonist kissing.
The list goes on.
My wife cried hard when Donnie dies.
Diego Luna was amazing. I've seen several of his movies, choosing him was not a bad call at all.
I enjoyed force awakens and yet have been leaning on the dislike for it over time.
This star was movie was just so perfect. It had so much potential to be cheesy and kiddie like others but it didn't. Examples being, no cutsie silly alien creature.
No cheesy force magically happening to push the master switch.
No forced movie cliche of the protagonist kissing.
The list goes on.
My wife cried hard when Donnie dies.
Diego Luna was amazing. I've seen several of his movies, choosing him was not a bad call at all.
Bwing isn't supposed to exist until ROTJ. They had one in Rebels, but it was like a prototype.
Dash_Riprock
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I thought Tarkin looked fine.
, on the other hand...
Leia
And he couldn't have known that Obi-Wan mysteriously aged an extra 20 years.
OmegaSmash
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I want to fly a U-Wing so bad. Gunship and transport at the same time? With split wings? Sign me the fuck up.
Razgriz-Specter
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Always loved the Republic Gunships but U-Wings are the current hotness.
Now if only Battlefront 2 is more like the old Battlefronts and includes it.
matrixman92
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So extremely disappointed that there wasn't any radio chatter with someone like Hera from Rebels talking during the space battle
This is the spoiler thread.
yanipheonu
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It is interesting how this movie is a great case that a good prequel actually can add a lot.
Rogue One takes a movie I love and enhances it. A New Hope is given great new context.
The prequels really look bad in comparison.
Rogue One takes a movie I love and enhances it. A New Hope is given great new context.
The prequels really look bad in comparison.
Whoa. I hope we get all the cut scenes eventually. Probably won't get the original cut but that would be awesome.
Razgriz-Specter
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Supposedly the actress did record radio chatter(not known if it was Hera though).
However the Ghost was in the battle, Chopper was on Yavin 4 and "General Syndulla" was called over the intercom of Yavin Base.
There was a ship from KOTOR?
Personally it doesn't bother me, and I think they did a good job outside of some odd mouth movements. That said there will need to be a discussion. Once we get to the point this stuff IS lifelike there is nothing stopping studios from using someone's likeness and modeling them how they want and using someone else to voice them.
Escape Goat
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I really wanted to like this movie. I thought the concept was great and was excited to see where it would go. But movie suffers from being put on rails and doesn't allow its cast to deviate from anything that isn't pushing the plot forward. Jynn Erso barely has a personality. Shes the only one with a backstory and its entirely banal. As for everyone else I can't even remember their names they were so vague.
So when everyone died I really didn't feel anything for them. Except for maybe that fat X-Wing pilot.
So when everyone died I really didn't feel anything for them. Except for maybe that fat X-Wing pilot.
BrokenFiction
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Betcha they call back to it in Ep 8 or 9.
I thought he hated the prequels with a passion?
Skyball Paint
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The ending would have made more sense if one of the surviving Rebel ships handed the plans to Leia outside the system.
As is, I'm not sure why her ship would be in the middle of a battle in the first place.
As is, I'm not sure why her ship would be in the middle of a battle in the first place.
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