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Rogue One: A Star Wars Story |OT| They rebel - SPOILERS

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Its interesting to see at least on NeoGAF how polarizing this film is.

For me at least, it's a film that I didn't believe was technically "bad", it just did absolutely nothing for me until the last 30 - 40 minutes. There was very little nuance to the film at all, and it seems to me like we weren't actually meant to care about any of the characters on an individual basis. The entire movie was just to show the overall macro regarding getting the plans, micro be damned. The film looked like Star Wars. It sounded like Star Wars. It felt absolutely nothing like Star Wars until the end.

I get that it's not a mainline entry, but it's still supposed to fit with the main story. It does I guess, but the actual storytelling and narrative aren't even remotely comparable. I could simply watch the last 30 - 40 minutes when viewing the original trilogy in order and never actually miss out on any important information aside from "the flaw".

Also, what the fuck was up with the master power control being out in the middle of nowhere, so far away from the actual tower? What the hell kind of logical design is that? "Hey guys, let's add this random podium with a lever that can turn the power on and off here, out in the open, completely exposed for no fucking reason other than so that a cool scene and be filmed when someone needs to reach it!".

Maybe we'll get another side story explaining another design flaw.
 
Might have been because she survived the original cut?

I was kind of hoping that Vader lived on Korriban. That's probably not even a canon planet anymore, huh?

Korriban is canon but its name is now Moraband because Lucas liked it better. It was in the final season of TCW.
 
Bobby that is crazy, but not quite as crazy as what I heard earlier today from someone who might know what he is talking about... some kind of Binks project.
 
You guys heard the weird (baseless and super-optimistic) speculation that Episode 8 is so ahead of schedule the big surprise is that they're going to move it back to May 26th (Thursday previews being the 40th anniversary of Star Wars) and nudge Pirates out of its spot?

People are pointing at John Williams' ridiculously early scoring schedule as some sort of proof.

And here I'm waiting for them to announce that Han Solo is being pushed back to December 2018.
 
People overestimate the reputation of the prequels in the real world.

Marvel is not going to stop referencing Thor 2, because the audiences don't go to the internet to read about how awful Thor 2 is.

DC will still reference Batman v Superman

Lucasfilm will reference the Prequels too

People just like being the cool guy who explains the reference to the rest of the group.

Its not cool
 
You know one thing that bummed me out - on Jedha they set up Jyn as having training in using melee weapons and she later walks around in the trooper outfit with what looks like 2 batons on the back and never uses them.
 
Yeah, the 3PO and R2 scene was absurdly out of place, but there was more than that. The two wanted guys from Mos Eisley who just happened to do the same schtick they do to Luke. Stormtroopers chatting about a new weapon that just came out. Bail Organa describing Obi Wan almost word for word the way Leia's hologram later does, though the reference adds nothing to the story we're watching. And Bail himself emerges importantly from the shadows earlier on, like "Whoa, you know this guy!" even though he has no lines in that scene. There were a ton of things like those examples that to me felt so cheesily forced.

By "needed to be told" what I mean is that it doesn't feel essential to the canon. The details of how the Death Star plans came to be stolen don't feel consequential to the overall Star Wars story. I didn't mean it in a cosmic or real-world-importance sense.

What do you mean "consequential?" Like having an impact on the universe? The actions people took in this movie let Luke blow up the Death Star in Episode IV, allowing Episode V, VI, VII, VIII, and IX to happen. The movie doesn't need a Snoke cameo or reference to the new trilogy to feel significant and consequential.
 
Leaving the theater now. Don't recommend. What a whack flick.

just got back. loved it. you did good whitta. congrats

lol

I saw the film earlier today and I loved every second of it. It didn't change my life, or anything, but it didn't have to. It was more or less exactly what I wanted it to be: a fun action flick set in the Star Wars universe. I like all the little choices they made to clearly differentiate it from the mainline movies. Star Wars is a rich universe that can tell any kind of story, and this is a promising start to the anthology films.

Also, holy shit, that Vader sequence at the end. I don't think that character has ever been scarier on-screen.
 
Yeah, the 3PO and R2 scene was absurdly out of place, but there was more than that. The two wanted guys from Mos Eisley who just happened to do the same schtick they do to Luke. Stormtroopers chatting about a new weapon that just came out. Bail Organa describing Obi Wan almost word for word the way Leia's hologram later does, though the reference adds nothing to the story we're watching. And Bail himself emerges importantly from the shadows earlier on, like "Whoa, you know this guy!" even though he has no lines in that scene. There were a ton of things like those examples that to me felt so cheesily forced.

By "needed to be told" what I mean is that it doesn't feel essential to the canon. The details of how the Death Star plans came to be stolen don't feel consequential to the overall Star Wars story. I didn't mean it in a cosmic or real-world-importance sense.

Honestly, none of the anthology films will be stories that "need to be told" which is why they're a separate entry. More as a "here's something that also happened between this and this or this and this"


Also:when can we get a star wars speculation thread.

What do you mean "consequential?" Like having an impact on the universe? The actions people took in this movie let Luke blow up the Death Star in Episode IV, allowing Episode V, VI, VII, VIII, and IX to happen. The movie doesn't need a Snoke cameo or reference to the new trilogy to feel significant and consequential.
Also this.
 
1) That's quite possible; the cut "floating TIE at the comm tower" shot may have been part of a sequence where she proceeded to jump in the thing and get off the planet before the DS nuked it.

2) It's still there, just renamed Moraband because George

Korriban is canon but its name is now Moraband because Lucas liked it better. It was in the final season of TCW.

George Lucas is dumb. I mean, he created Star Wars and all but he just went crazy pants at some point.

Hey, so was Whitta's story the one that sucked and wound up getting reshoots? That would make sense ;)
 
I dunno if there's much to read into the marketing though. Do we know for a fact that any of the lines in the trailers were actually in a script or represented a version of the film that was ever being made? There are production books out now right? Do they shed any light on that? Because otherwise, it could just be trailer editing. Doctor Strange had a hilarious line in the trailers where the Ancient One says she has been looking through time and all worlds for decades... looking for... "you". It made it sound like Strange was a special chosen one who she was seeking. The actual movie turned out to be totally different and that sequence of lines in the trailer were talking about something else entirely. It didn't even end the same way. But I don't think that trailer version of the "plot" was ever what the movie was...
I keep checking hoping we get a leak of one of the screenplays at some point, but no luck so far. But I can't think of the last movie I saw in theaters where there weren't some amount of differences between marketing material and final product. So honestly, I'm not sure what to make of any of it surrounding Rogue One.
 
I was definitely disappointed with the film, the characters were great and we only got such a sliver of them.

I was so hoping that they turned out to become part of Kylo Ren's circle of knights. :/

The story just felt flat, we knew the ending ahead of time, no surprises, only enjoyable characters made the film enjoyable in any little way.
 
I was definitely disappointed with the film, the characters were great and we only got such a sliver of them.

I was so hoping that they turned out to become part of Kylo Ren's circle of knights. :/

The story just felt flat, we knew the ending ahead of time, no surprises, only enjoyable characters made the film enjoyable in any little way.

This is like 30 years prior and Kylo is barely a sperm cell.
 
I keep checking hoping we get a leak of one of the screenplays at some point, but no luck so far. But I can't think of the last movie I saw in theaters where there weren't some amount of differences between marketing material and final product. So honestly, I'm not sure what to make of any of it surrounding Rogue One.

LOL. I just watched the first trailer again. Bobby is right. It's a trailer for a completely different film. I love what I saw last night, but that trailer was for a movie where the Rebel Alliance had a plan and was going all in.
 
I had no idea that Vader wanted to be Sauron, Barad-dûr and everything.


I enjoyed the fuck of this movie, and the final moment were absolutely cathartic with the audience in the theater, flawed or not.
 
I was definitely disappointed with the film, the characters were great and we only got such a sliver of them.

I was so hoping that they turned out to become part of Kylo Ren's circle of knights. :/

The story just felt flat, we knew the ending ahead of time, no surprises, only enjoyable characters made the film enjoyable in any little way.
Only Jyn does, but you have to stay for the after-credits scene to see her hand come out from the sand on the beach.
LOL. I just watched the first trailer again. Bobby is right. It's a trailer for a completely different film. I love what I saw last night, but that trailer was for a movie where the Rebel Alliance had a plan and was going all in.
Well...now I'm re-watching it. You know what I truly expected this movie to be? Or rather what I wanted it to be? Ocean's Eleven, but with Star Wars:
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And wow. This trailer is waaaay different. Nothing implied in this trailer really exists. The biggest difference is that they show Jyn to be an active rebel ready to kick ass against the empire.
 
ILM is fucking insane, how'd they get the CGI to look that great when they probably had to re-do a bunch of it? Also, it must suck working so hard on something for months and then they never even use it.
 
You guys heard the weird (baseless and super-optimistic) speculation that Episode 8 is so ahead of schedule the big surprise is that they're going to move it back to May 26th (Thursday previews being the 40th anniversary of Star Wars) and nudge Pirates out of its spot?

People are pointing at John Williams' ridiculously early scoring schedule as some sort of proof.

Obviously this is not happening, but what do they have planned for the 40th anniversary? Surely there'll be something. A New Hope Cinematic Rerelease with an Ep 8 trailer attached or something? Is that too optimistic as well?
 
This is like 30 years prior and Kylo is barely a sperm cell.

Frozen in carbonite for stealing the plans and brain washed.

Hell they could have just grown old and changed their alliances in their own right for whatever reason.

But the ending pretty much says "Yep none of that is happening."

Only Jyn does, but you have to stay for the after-credits scene to see her hand come out from the sand on the beach.

There was an end credit scene? Everyone told me there wasn't going to be one so I left. D:
 
Obviously this is not happening, but what do they have planned for the 40th anniversary? Surely there'll be something. A New Hope Cinematic Rerelease with an Ep 8 trailer attached or something? Is that too optimistic as well?
If we're lucky, a wide theatrical release date for Revenge of the Sith in 3D like we've all been dying for!

There was an end credit scene? Everyone told me there wasn't going to be one so I left. D:
Damn. You missed it. Slow pan over the beach. The water has been evaporated mostly. Then you see something move in the sand, and realize it's a hand. Probably Jyn's. Then you see a faint spark, like maybe she was a robot the whole time. Then cut to black.
 
I don't really think there would be much CG they had to redo. At worst, there is a bunch of CG they made which got cut when scenes are reordered around and certain shots no longer worked. But the main set pieces in the film are mostly wide shots involving the destruction of installations and vehicles which could be fit into any sort of restructure as long as the objectives (destroy the base, destroy the gate, etc) remained the same. Maybe the people carrying out the mission or the intent behind the objectives change, but the actual shot doesn't need to be redone.
 
I didn't think it was possible(especially after The Force Awakens), but Rogue One has made me a Star Wars fan again. It's good to be home!!!
 
A New Hope Cinematic Rerelease with an Ep 8 trailer attached or something? Is that too optimistic as well?

I'd bet more on a R1/ANH double-feature given how well the former flows into the latter. They may even use that rumored 4K version that has Han shooting first and more-improved Jabba CG.
 
Frozen in carbonite for stealing the plans and brain washed.

Hell they could have just grown old and changed their alliances in their own right for whatever reason.

But the ending pretty much says "Yep none of that is happening."
You do understand how entirely silly all of that would be right?

I think it's fine the way it is, and I'm sure many people would be up in arms if it connected to ST and while I wouldn't be as upset I'd probably agree with them. There's absolutely no reason to convolute the story anymore.

Fuck I'm even against the Snoke=Plagueius idea, but thsts for another thread.
 
LOL. I just watched the first trailer again. Bobby is right. It's a trailer for a completely different film. I love what I saw last night, but that trailer was for a movie where the Rebel Alliance had a plan and was going all in.

The discrepancy due to edits between the trailers and film are a disservice. So many of the scenes in the trailers look phenomenal, and while watching the movie last night, I was waiting for that film to start...

I pretty much never complain about "false advertising", but in this case, it truly feels like it.

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Was this specific shot in the film? I wanna say it wasn't, but maybe I just don't remember.

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Coming from a "medium" fan of Star Wars (love the OT but not obsessed with it/not childhood defining, don't like the prequels, liked TFA) I loooooved this. Much more than TFA actually.

Obviously I'm the one trillionth person to say this, but, THAT HALLWAY SCENE. I was like "damn I'm impressed they actually made a Star Wars movie with no lightsabers, that takes some balls -- NEVERMIND YASSSS"

I needed them all to die and not magically escape and go off to happy retirement for this movie to get my stamp of approval, and boy did it. And I was sad about it anyway! Fantastic.

I will say, the Tarkin CGI......I'm not a fan of this. It was awesome CGI, but it was clearly CGI, and I was always thinking about it. I guess it's cool just to see how good the tech is getting, but personallllllly I'd rather they just recast tbh.
 
I am a total passive Star Wars fan. I take them for what they are, generally, as fun action movies. But this.... was a completely awful movie. I walked out after an hour in for the first time in my life. To put that into perspective, I actually sat through 1-3.
 
That's plausible enough, too.

But it's not like the lie they were all telling needed to be plausible. It was a pretty easily blown-open lie. Vader never believed it. He was right not to.

This movie doesn't change that at all. If anything, all it does is make the rebels more defiant.

I mean, look at Leia selling "I don't know what you're talking about" now. She might as well be saying "suck my fuckin' dick, I ain't giving you shit."
I mean she's a politician. What caliber of lie would unbelievable compared with what actual real ones say to peoples' faces?
 
Another complaint: Instead of trying to covertly sneak the Death Star plans to the Rebellion in the guise of a diplomatic mission, we discover that Leia and the Tantive V had in fact just escaped a huge battle between the Rebellion and the Empire (on pretty much the same scale as the climactic battle in ROTJ), one that Vader was present at, and during which had already attempted to board her ship once, and this makes his dialogue with Leia in ANH extremely weird now. Like why go through the subterfuge of being on a mission for the Senate at all? What would be the point of pretending not to be part of the Alliance? They both know she was in that battle, and they both know the other one knows. None of their banter at the start of Episode IV matches up with a situation in which Vader had just chased Leia down fleeing an enormous conflict.

I mean she's a politician. What caliber of lie would unbelievable compared with what actual real ones say to peoples' faces?

But there's no point to even trying to lie in that situation. And it's not just Leia's lie that doesn't fit, Vader's lines don't really make sense either. He acts like he tracked her down after a long intelligence-gathering investigation and caught her in the act of trying to be sneaky, not like all he did was chase her in his ship. If they had both just been involved in a massive attack on an Imperial base hours before, you'd think that would come up in conversation.
 
Obviously this is not happening, but what do they have planned for the 40th anniversary? Surely there'll be something. A New Hope Cinematic Rerelease with an Ep 8 trailer attached or something? Is that too optimistic as well?

My humble hope:

A blu-ray set (Buena Vista's first real crack at selling Star Wars) packed to the fucking gills.

The Phantom Menace (Theatrical, Extended, 3D)
Attack of the Clones (Extended, IMAX Cut, 3D)
Revenge of the Sith (3D)
Star Wars (4K remaster/Theatrical)
Empire (4K remaster/Theatrical)
Jedi (4K remaster/Theatrical)
TFA (2D/3D)
Rogue One (2D/3D)

All previous blu-ray bonus features
Remastered "Empire of Dreams"
New documentaries
Isolated Scores (never happen, but fuck it, I'm wishlisting)

Probably some other shit I haven't thought of yet.

The 4K remasters of the OT have been done for awhile now, and it was reported the versions that had gotten that treatment were NOT the blu-ray cuts...but were not the theatricals, either. So apparently there's some sort of split-the-difference version waiting in 4K for us to get at some point or another? I dunno.

But anyway, that's kinda what I'm hoping for. I won't get it, but that's what I'm hoping for.

Another complaint

It's addressed in the post right above yours :)

(hey, we all posted at 11:38)
 
I really enjoyed the movie. I thought there was some slow parts, but overall I thought it was really good, much better than Episodes 1-3 easily. One of the best parts was the ending where Vader uses his power and takes on what seems like an entire large groups of Rebels and is using his Saber and various force skills to take them out. It was a real "bad ass" moment that you always knew Vader was capable off, but never shown in any of the films. It has it's flaws like all the films do, but overall it was very enjoyable, a bit darker with all the deaths and really showed Vader as he should be during that time.
 
I am a total passive Star Wars fan. I take them for what they are, generally, as fun action movies. But this.... was a completely awful movie. I walked out after an hour in for the first time in my life. To put that into perspective, I actually sat through 1-3.
Rogue One isn't very good....but you walked out of a movie that promised Vader action before you got to see Vader? You dun goofed. Out of curiosity, what turned you off about it?
 
I am a total passive Star Wars fan. I take them for what they are, generally, as fun action movies. But this.... was a completely awful movie. I walked out after an hour in for the first time in my life. To put that into perspective, I actually sat through 1-3.
That's where you fucked up.

"Man, I payed for this happy ending, it's been two minutes and I didn't even reach the climax! Can you believe that? I put my pants back on, asked for my money and went home. What a god awful waste of my time and hard earned money."
 
Damn...I've seen all the Star Wars movies but wouldn't consider myself the most avid fan. Holy shit...this was probably the best star wars I've seen and maybe the best movie I've seen all year.
 
I am a total passive Star Wars fan. I take them for what they are, generally, as fun action movies. But this.... was a completely awful movie. I walked out after an hour in for the first time in my life. To put that into perspective, I actually sat through 1-3.

Too bad you missed the best space battle in history.
 
Despite loving the movie I still can't get over how bad the first act is and the lack of proper character building. The fact that I walked out of the movie and could only name about half of the Rogue One team speaks volumes. For instance, what exactly was Cargo Pilot's arc? I thought it was really dumb that his reasons for defecting happen off-screen before the movie begins, as such his character has no place to go once they find him. What's even more confusing, and likely a product of the reshoots, is the way his character acts in those brief moments before his mind is fucked with. He's super neurotic and flinchy with a bit of snark, however, the next time we see him he's completely emotionless and stays that way for much of the film.

The super odd thing is that he doesn't do anything that relates to his prior occupation. You see when you are building this type of suicide squad you need a small team of experts (demolitions, heavy ordinance/tank, pilot, spy, technical expert, etc.) but the Rogue One team is really haphazard and doesn't use it's characters appropriately. Why didn't cargo pilot do any actual piloting? When they leave Jedha and the planet is crumbling all around them requiring some expert piloting skill why isn't he the one piloting the ship? When they try to fly sneakily into Edou he gives directions since he's been there before and tells Cassian to fly dangerously low, again why isn't he just piloting? And, then at the last act he merely pilots the ship into Sariff base but then spends the rest of the fight on the ground handling communications, why? Why not, I don't know do some piloting shit (maybe he was the guy in the cut TIE fighter)?

Blind guy is a mystic/sage but doesn't really use his mysticism except to flip a switch. Yes, technically Obi-Wan did the same but he was also mentoring Luke in the ways of The Force, coming up with plans like disguising as Imperials, and fought Vader. Donnie Yen doesn't really do much old man sage mentoring, instead he basically gets slotted as DPS to clean up after Machine Gun guy's Tank agro. Cassian's problem is that he does too much, he should just be doing spy shit, basically infiltrating shit and assassinating folks. But, he's also piloting shit, coming up with all the plans, leading shit, and even gets to kill the main baddie. Some of his responsibilities needed to be handed over to Jyn, in the last act it should have been clear she was in charge and doling out all the responsibilities of the crew not relegated to giving speeches and grabbing beta disks.

However, back to the pilot because he's an example of just really untapped potential. There is nothing behind his character besides what you get at face value, which is true of most of the characters. None of them have any real shocking twists. In GotG the twist about the cast is that they are all "losers," who nobody takes seriously. By recognizing this fact they are able to altogether use their unique skills to outwit their enemies and take down the baddie. Thus, what if cargo pilot guy was a coward who lied about his reasons for defecting? What if he was caught smuggling drugs for profit and thus his only hope for survival was defecting with the aid of Arso? And then he could have an arc from coward to hero by the end when he chooses to sign on for the suicide mission? What if blind guy couldn't "feel The Force" he just used his senses to do all that crap? And then, at the end of the movie he feels The Force to dodge the blasts and flip the switch, which would also rekindle Machine Gun guy's faith in The Force. After all, how can he not believe at the start of the movie when he's seen all the stuff Donnie Yen can do?

Any way, those are just some quick ways I thought the characters could have been spiced up because as it stands they fall just short of flat. Essentially, the third act has to build up and resolve arcs for each of these characters, who for the most part, were not expounded on prior.
 
Why would you think this was a thing that would ever happen?

the same reason people think Rey is a clone reincarnation of Anakin

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on topic: just came back from the movie - LOVED it ... need time to absorb it all.. right now its very close to ROTJ for me ( ESB>TFA=ANH>ROTJ>RO)

Jyn is life

K2-SO will never be forgotten
 
If we're lucky, a wide theatrical release date for Revenge of the Sith in 3D like we've all been dying for!

Damn. You missed it. Slow pan over the beach. The water has been evaporated mostly. Then you see something move in the sand, and realize it's a hand. Probably Jyn's. Then you see a faint spark, like maybe she was a robot the whole time. Then cut to black.

And then a shot of a little kid with his grandpa asking, "can you tell me another story about the Erso?"
 
Did anyone get the impression, even Vader thought they went too far by using the city as a test?
He seemed annoyed, yes. But I took it more as him being completely unimpressed, much like his quote from A New Hope about the power of the death star being nothing compared to the power of the force.
 
Who is the "her" that organa refers to? I assume Ahsoka, but I'm not sure if I'm forgetting any other prominent female Jedi that survived to that point.
 
With the Leia lying thing, it really comes down with what you would expect her to say.
"Yeah, we're all Rebels, kill everyone on board"?

Nah, she's trying to push for the one chance she has of diplomatic immunity while being a smartass cause she knows that Vader knows she's lying (which is totally within her character imo).
 
The discrepancy due to edits between the trailers and film are a disservice. So many of the scenes in the trailers look phenomenal, and while watching the movie last night, I was waiting for that film to start...

I pretty much never complain about "false advertising", but in this case, it truly feels like it.

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They cut that because an X-Wing flys past and destroys it, literally right around the time an AT-AT is about to attack and Rebel ships start attacking.
 
Who is the "her" that organa refers to? I assume Ahsoka, but I'm not sure if I'm forgetting any other prominent female Jedi that survived to that point.

This comes up every couple pages.

He's referencing Obi-Wan and Leia. He wants to go get Obi-Wan, and needs someone he can trust with his life to go and get him.

They cut that because an X-Wing flys past and destroys it, literally right around the time an AT-AT is about to attack and Rebel ships start attacking.

To quote an old Italian restaurant owner I know, "How you know all dis"
 
Who is the "her" that organa refers to? I assume Ahsoka, but I'm not sure if I'm forgetting any other prominent female Jedi that survived to that point.
They are talking about two people. First the Jedi, who is Obi. Then someone they can trust, I assume to deliver the message to Obi. That person is Leia.
 
Another complaint: Instead of trying to covertly sneak the Death Star plans to the Rebellion in the guise of a diplomatic mission, we discover that Leia and the Tantive V had in fact just escaped a huge battle between the Rebellion and the Empire (on pretty much the same scale as the climactic battle in ROTJ), one that Vader was present at, and during which had already attempted to board her ship once, and this makes his dialogue with Leia in ANH extremely weird now. Like why go through the subterfuge of being on a mission for the Senate at all? What would be the point of pretending not to be part of the Alliance? They both know she was in that battle, and they both know the other one knows. None of their banter at the start of Episode IV matches up with a situation in which Vader had just chased Leia down fleeing an enormous conflict.

It doesn't matter. She's lying. she knows it. Vader knows it, but what proof does he have? Her cover is that she's on a diplomatic mission. Leia is still a member of the senate. He can't just kill her.

Also it was small line in movie, but Vader mentions that no one is supposed to really know of the Death Star. This is echoed in ANH as well when the imperial command is discussing how to use the battle station and how the Senate would reject such a weapon.
 
Anyone else get the feeling that the droid was inspired by HK-47 from the KOTOR game? Just seemed like a lot of similarities and his smart ass lines seemed a lot like HK.
 
Anyone else get the feeling that the droid was inspired by HK-47 from the KOTOR game? Just seemed like a lot of similarities and his smart ass lines seemed a lot like HK.

Considering Whitta helped come up with the story and wrote the first draft, I wouldn't be surprised if that influence came to bear somewhat.
 
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