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Rogue One: A Star Wars Story |OT| They rebel - SPOILERS

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Officially the death star doesn't exist yet. I doubt the battle they just escaped happened on officially either as that would require the Empire to admit that the death star exists. In that case a politician can easily just say "nope we are on a diplomatic mission I don't have a clue why you are after me"

Since when is Darth Vader concerned with what's "official"? He knows she knows about the Death Star and they aren't addressing the Senate; they're just talking between the two of them. He has no reason and it's not in his character to keep up a charade like that. Besides, the Emperor is just about to disband the Senate anyway and is clearly already in position to do so by the time this conversation happens, so why would he care who knows about the Death Star?

Seeing him try to explain the political complexity of the Clone Wars to Ahsoka in TCW was hilarious. "The Republic are the good guys and the Separatists are the bad guys. Some people say we're corrupt but they're wrong."

Indeed. A subtle master of intrigue Anakin is not, and Darthing it up only makes him less so.
 
Since when is Darth Vader concerned with what's "official"? He knows she knows about the Death Star and they aren't addressing the Senate; they're just talking between the two of them. He has no reason and it's not in his character to keep up a charade like that. Besides, the Emperor is just about to disband the Senate anyway and is clearly already in position to do so by the time this conversation happens, so why would he care who knows about the Death Star?

And that is why he captures Leia instead of letting her go.
 
And that is why he captures Leia instead of letting her go.

OK, but now you're talking about something else. It still doesn't make sense for him to be somehow reluctant to talk about the Death Star. Especially when he has every reason to think that if she has the plans, she knows what they're for.
 
Despite loving the movie I still can't get over how bad the first act is and the lack of proper character building. The fact that I walked out of the movie and could only name about half of the Rogue One team speaks volumes. For instance, what exactly was Cargo Pilot's arc? I thought it was really dumb that his reasons for defecting happen off-screen before the movie begins, as such his character has no place to go once they find him. What's even more confusing, and likely a product of the reshoots, is the way his character acts in those brief moments before his mind is fucked with. He's super neurotic and flinchy with a bit of snark, however, the next time we see him he's completely emotionless and stays that way for much of the film.

The super odd thing is that he doesn't do anything that relates to his prior occupation. You see when you are building this type of suicide squad you need a small team of experts (demolitions, heavy ordinance/tank, pilot, spy, technical expert, etc.) but the Rogue One team is really haphazard and doesn't use it's characters appropriately. Why didn't cargo pilot do any actual piloting? When they leave Jedha and the planet is crumbling all around them requiring some expert piloting skill why isn't he the one piloting the ship? When they try to fly sneakily into Edou he gives directions since he's been there before and tells Cassian to fly dangerously low, again why isn't he just piloting? And, then at the last act he merely pilots the ship into Sariff base but then spends the rest of the fight on the ground handling communications, why? Why not, I don't know do some piloting shit (maybe he was the guy in the cut TIE fighter)?

Blind guy is a mystic/sage but doesn't really use his mysticism except to flip a switch. Yes, technically Obi-Wan did the same but he was also mentoring Luke in the ways of The Force, coming up with plans like disguising as Imperials, and fought Vader. Donnie Yen doesn't really do much old man sage mentoring, instead he basically gets slotted as DPS to clean up after Machine Gun guy's Tank agro. Cassian's problem is that he does too much, he should just be doing spy shit, basically infiltrating shit and assassinating folks. But, he's also piloting shit, coming up with all the plans, leading shit, and even gets to kill the main baddie. Some of his responsibilities needed to be handed over to Jyn, in the last act it should have been clear she was in charge and doling out all the responsibilities of the crew not relegated to giving speeches and grabbing beta disks.

However, back to the pilot because he's an example of just really untapped potential. There is nothing behind his character besides what you get at face value, which is true of most of the characters. None of them have any real shocking twists. In GotG the twist about the cast is that they are all "losers," who nobody takes seriously. By recognizing this fact they are able to altogether use their unique skills to outwit their enemies and take down the baddie. Thus, what if cargo pilot guy was a coward who lied about his reasons for defecting? What if he was caught smuggling drugs for profit and thus his only hope for survival was defecting with the aid of Arso? And then he could have an arc from coward to hero by the end when he chooses to sign on for the suicide mission? What if blind guy couldn't "feel The Force" he just used his senses to do all that crap? And then, at the end of the movie he feels The Force to dodge the blasts and flip the switch, which would also rekindle Machine Gun guy's faith in The Force. After all, how can he not believe at the start of the movie when he's seen all the stuff Donnie Yen can do?

Any way, those are just some quick ways I thought the characters could have been spiced up because as it stands they fall just short of flat. Essentially, the third act has to build up and resolve arcs for each of these characters, who for the most part, were not expounded on prior.

Pretty good write up. Honestly, I feel the movie is slightly overcrowded on the main character front. It's not too bad and I actually like the characters on a face value, but I don't see why we need the blind sage master AND his body guard, since they accomplish the same basic shit: killing stormtroopers. Similarly, if Cassian is going to do all the stuff he did, they might as well write out the pilot. The only reason I can think is to convey the sense of loss at the end through magnitude. Having 6 main characters die as opposed to 4 makes it more epic, I guess.

Saw Serera is another one I feel is wasted. We see him in flashbacks as an uncle sort of figure to Jyn, then they don't see each other for years and he's become old and sickly and shit and then he immediately dies. Everything about his presentation makes me think "Wow, interesting character right there" but we get goddamn nothing out of him. He's just there for sadness bait and to be the next plot point for Jyn to visit to get the Death Star plans.

I honestly want to see Gareth Edward's original cut to figure out how to peg him as a director. He has some of the most beautiful shot composition in the industry, but his inability to tell a story, correctly pace a movie, it's just ridiculous. I want to see how, left to his own devices, Rogue One would have come out.
 
Vader isn't a politician. He's expressed nothing but disdain for politics going all the way back to Episode II. He's always been very direct and to-the-point. He doesn't play those kind of games and never has. He's a blunt instrument.

OK, but now you're talking about something else. It still doesn't make sense for him to be somehow reluctant to talk about the Death Star. Especially when he has every reason to think that if she has the plans, she knows what they're for.
COMMANDER: Holding her is dangerous. If word of this gets out, it could generate sympathy for the Rebellion in the senate.

VADER: I have traced the Rebel spies to her. Now she is my only link to find their secret base!

COMMANDER: She'll die before she tells you anything.

VADER: Leave that to me. Send a distress signal and then inform the senate that all aboard were killed!

He's also the "blunt instrument" that placed a tracking device aboard the Falcon so it could lead them back the the Rebel base.
 
OK, but now you're talking about something else. It still doesn't make sense for him to be somehow reluctant to talk about that big battle they were just in.
I mean it really still does for me. Vader's a strongarm enforcer but he isn't stupid like he was back in the prequels.

Don't be talking about a rebel attack on Imperial interests with a known conspirator involving an officially 'doesn't exist' superweapon out loud.

-edit- What that guy said above me too.
 
He's also the "blunt instrument" that placed a tracking device aboard the Falcon so it could lead them back the the Rebel base.

Being capable of tracking a foe and knowing how to bait them out of hiding is a far cry from being the kind of person who will dance around a subject in conversation. My whole point is that he has never been the kind of character to mince words.

I mean it really still does for me. Vader's a strongarm enforcer but he isn't stupid like he was back in the prequels.

Don't be talking about a rebel attack on Imperial interests with a known conspirator involving an officially 'doesn't exist' superweapon out loud.

See above. The Death Star is no longer a secret at this point. The Senate is about to be disbanded and Vader no doubt knows this, so there is no reason for him to beat around the bush. He believes she has the plans and knows what they're for, and he knows she has seen the Death Star in person.

Anyway, it just doesn't work for me, and this was only one complaint of mine out of many, many.
 
Being capable of tracking a foe and knowing how to bait them out of hiding is a far cry from being the kind of person who will dance around a subject in conversation. My whole point is that he has never been the kind of character to mince words.

He doesn't.

"You are part of the Rebel Alliance, and a traitor."

This is after he literally snaps a man's neck with one hand while throwing the guys' lie back in his dying face.

I don't get why this bothers you so much. The rebels were always lying. Vader never believed them.

Now, if you wanted to nitpick, here's where you'd nitpick

"Several transmissions were beamed to this ship by rebel spies, I want to know what happened to the plans they sent you."

THAT's the line that doesn't make sense now. The transmissions were beamed to RADDUS' ship. Not Leia's. They got to Leia's ship by hand.
 
Pretty good write up. Honestly, I feel the movie is slightly overcrowded on the main character front. It's not too bad and I actually like the characters on a face value, but I don't see why we need the blind sage master AND his body guard, since they accomplish the same basic shit: killing stormtroopers. Similarly, if Cassian is going to do all the stuff he did, they might as well write out the pilot. The only reason I can think is to convey the sense of loss at the end through magnitude. Having 6 main characters die as opposed to 4 makes it more epic, I guess.

Saw Serera is another one I feel is wasted. We see him in flashbacks as an uncle sort of figure to Jyn, then they don't see each other for years and he's become old and sickly and shit and then he immediately dies. Everything about his presentation makes me think "Wow, interesting character right there" but we get goddamn nothing out of him. He's just there for sadness bait and to be the next plot point for Jyn to visit to get the Death Star plans.

I honestly want to see Gareth Edward's original cut to figure out how to peg him as a director. He has some of the most beautiful shot composition in the industry, but his inability to tell a story, correctly pace a movie, it's just ridiculous. I want to see how, left to his own devices, Rogue One would have come out.

Me too, though I'm afraid the film would be horrendous. The third act appears to have gotten the most changes and its the best part of the film. I feel that first act is more close to his original cut and its terrible. Honestly, the first act should have just been Jedha instead of planet hopping every 3 minutes. Everyone should have met up on Jedha right from the start, they would then be tasked with some mission by Saw in order to get his aid, they complete said mission half-assed and then escape Jedha together as the fully formed team.

I think the best way to accomplish this would be for the cargo pilot to have not been captured by Saw at the start. Rather, Saw has information as to his whereabouts, perhaps he's in the hands of the Empire slotted for execution for drug smuggling (based on my earlier suggestion), they have no idea he's also secretly carrying a message from Arso. The first act is breaking him out of Imperial prison on Jedha at which point they meet up with blind guy and machine gun guy on the way. Then they all get to leave Jedha as a team having accomplished something minor.

He doesn't.

"You are part of the Rebel Alliance, and a traitor."

This is after he literally snaps a man's neck with one hand while throwing the guys' lie back in his dying face.

I don't get why this bothers you so much. The rebels were always lying. Vader never believed them.

Now, if you wanted to nitpick, here's where you'd nitpick

"Several transmissions were beamed to this ship by rebel spies, I want to know what happened to the plans they sent you."

THAT's the line that doesn't make sense now. The transmissions were beamed to RADDUS' ship. Not Leia's. They got to Leia's ship by hand.

Exactly, though when I saw the film it didn't seem clear that Vader knew the plans were in their physical custody. He was just mopping up all Rebels on the ship, I didn't feel like he was racing to grab those plans. It also explains ANH because the Stormtroopers said they checked the ships computer systems and found no trace of the plans, which means that Vader had no idea the plans were on a physical disk and not beamed to the ship's computer.
 
He doesn't.

"You are part of the Rebel Alliance, and a traitor."

This is after he literally snaps a man's neck with one hand while throwing the guys' lie back in his dying face.

I don't get why this bothers you so much. The rebels were always lying. Vader never believed them.

Now, if you wanted to nitpick, here's where you'd nitpick

"Several transmissions were beamed to this ship by rebel spies, I want to know what happened to the plans they sent you."

THAT's the line that doesn't make sense now. The transmissions were beamed to RADDUS' ship. Not Leia's. They got to Leia's ship by hand.

It doesn't bother me "so much". It's one complaint I have out of many. I've been following up on it because people keep trying to convince me that Vader and Leia's conversation still sounds perfectly natural after that huge battle, but I'm not buying it. Neither of them has any good reason to lie after that. She ran from him directly, he caught her. Their dialogue gives a very different impression to me.
 
He doesn't.

"You are part of the Rebel Alliance, and a traitor."

This is after he literally snaps a man's neck with one hand while throwing the guys' lie back in his dying face.

I don't get why this bothers you so much. The rebels were always lying. Vader never believed them.

Now, if you wanted to nitpick, here's where you'd nitpick

"Several transmissions were beamed to this ship by rebel spies, I want to know what happened to the plans they sent you."

THAT's the line that doesn't make sense now. The transmissions were beamed to RADDUS' ship. Not Leia's. They got to Leia's ship by hand
.

Maybe it can be just a way of him simplifying it.

"Several transmissions were beamed by rebel spies to a kalamari ship that were then beamed to you and I want to know what happened to the plans they sent you."

Doesn't really roll off the tongue I guess.
 
See above. The Death Star is no longer a secret at this point. The Senate is about to be disbanded and Vader no doubt knows this, so there is no reason for him to beat around the bush. He believes she has the plans and knows what they're for, and he knows she has seen the Death Star in person.
I dunno what to tell you man.

You're right about the Death Star, the Senate about to be disbanded soon, the plans and Leia...

But he's not stupid and doesn't play straight into the politician's hands. It all still makes sense to me.

Vader's not one to play by the rules of politics hence detaining a senator without official warrant and inflicting physical harm on commanders or generals who fail him...

But he still knows when doing something would jeopardize their missions or objectives. Even if only faintly.
 
Neither of them has any good reason to lie after that. She ran, he caught her.

But that description fits what happened before this movie ever existed.

It's always what's happened.

It's a weird sticking point to get hung up on. The only thing that's different is the depth of the lie. But it's not like it wasn't baldfaced before. IT's just more baldfaced now. That's all.
 
I didn't follow Star Wars lore closely so I was quite surprised to find that the Death Star was basically a giant lightsabre. That concept never occurred to me before lol
 
But he still knows when doing something would jeopardize their missions or objectives. Even if only faintly.

He has no reason to think anything he says to her at this point can put their plans in any jeopardy at all. Even if she somehow escaped with that info, who could she tell that could possibly create any consequences for the Empire?
 
I didn't follow Star Wars lore closely so I was quite surprised to find that the Death Star was basically a giant lightsabre. That concept never occurred to me before lol

can you imagine what kind of shit would have happened if they researched into how they can maintain the beam on that magnitude?


wait, lemme guess, old EU pulled that shit already didn't they?
 
It's a weird sticking point to get hung up on. The only thing that's different is the depth of the lie. But it's not like it wasn't baldfaced before. IT's just more baldfaced now. That's all.

It never came off as "bald-faced" to me before. It was a thin ruse, but Vader using the phrase "this time" indicates that there was a situation in the past when she used that excuse and was let go. In light of the battle they were just in, it's not just "more bald-faced", it's silly and pointless, even for a politician. Why would she think that old ruse would work again when he chased her directly from the battle? And if she didn't think so, why bother? "Because politics" isn't good enough narratively.

I always got the impression from that dialogue that the plans had been stolen, secreted away somewhere, and Leia's ship had snuck by and beamed them aboard, thinking no one had spotted them; but meanwhile, Vader had been secretly tracking her and now had closed the net on her. That's what their conversation implies to me: that she had at least some reason to think she could get away with the lie. You may not have read it that way, but I did.
 
Just came back from seeing it. Holy fuck that was awesome. 2nd half of the movie was amazing. Liked this much more than ep7.

The cgi characters were bit weird lol.
Vader was badass
 
It never came off as "bald-faced" to me before. It was a thin ruse, but Vader using the phrase "this time" indicates that there was a situation in the past when she used that excuse and was let go. In light of the battle they were just in, it's not just "more bald-faced", it's silly and pointless, even for a politician. Why would she think that old ruse would work again when he chased her directly from the battle? And if she didn't think so, why bother? "Because politics" isn't good enough narratively.

I always got the impression from that dialogue that the plans had been stolen, secreted away somewhere, and Leia's ship had snuck by and beamed them aboard, thinking no one had spotted them; but meanwhile, Vader had been secretly tracking her and now had closed the net on her. That's what their conversation implies to me: that she had at least some reason to think she could get away with the lie. You may not have read it that way, but I did.

So, as I asked before, how do you explain Leia's ship and her guards shooting at Imperial forces when "caught?"
 
He has no reason to think anything he says to her at this point can put their plans in any jeopardy at all. Even if she somehow escaped with that info, who could she tell that could possibly create any consequences for the Empire?
Just gonna have to agree to disagree on that he has no reason to think that. It's still fully in Vader's character to play coy with the traitor politician's games until illegally detaining and imprisoning them and establishing an alibi of their death.

It's all just in line with the plans in motion to turn the empire into the dictatorship that the emperor was making it.
 
So, as I asked before, how do you explain Leia's ship and her guards shooting at Imperial forces when "caught?"

How do we know who started the shooting? All we know is that when the movie begins, both ships are firing at one another. If the Star Destroyer opened fire, it would be only natural for the Rebels to shoot back, even if they intended to insist they were on a diplomatic mission.
 
How do we know who started the shooting? All we know is that when the movie begins, both ships are firing at one another. If the Star Destroyer opened fire, it would be only natural for the Rebels to shoot back, even if they intended to insist they were on a diplomatic mission.

If the cops started shooting at you, would it be natural to shoot back? And, they didn't just fire on the ship, the literal first human shots in the movie are her guards lining up to defend the ship from being boarded. If you're on a diplomatic mission why you pointing guns at the cops? Why not just explain the situation to them calmly and as non-threatening as possible?
 
I feel like you could nitpick this movie to death, and a lot of it would be warranted. The character development starts and stops in weird points relative to the structure of the movie as a whole. The crew barely develops any real relationship with each other. There are a bunch of unearned cameos, which lends the whole movie the feeling of existing more to fill in this canonical blank than to tell anything meaningful on its own. I could go on if I cared to.

But I don't really care to, because I had a really good time. As a fan, I thought they tonally nailed what I wanted to see from Star Wars for a long time. It's darker, edgier, and less certain, with more grounded people who are overwhelmed by the sheer scale of the galactic struggle. I liked seeing inside the Rebel Alliance and seeing a group riven with infighting, aided by rogues who did not all have hearts of gold. I liked the elements of Imperial occupation we saw on Jedha. And I was really impressed with the action. The third act climax was the most exciting grand-scale Star Wars battle yet presented onscreen, even if it seems grossly outsized compared to the scope of what's going on. In that way, I got exactly what I wanted.

A lot of blockbusters these days seem to whiff on the character fundamentals but skate by on just being good enough kinetic experiences with the right tonal feeling to leave the audience happy, and Rogue One is still one of those movies. But it's probably the most pleased I've been with that kind of movie in a very long time.
 
Satine & Obi-Wan thing is Clone Wars.
But yeah half the time at the very least Rebels does have a lot of greatness going on.
Is it? I'm at the end of season 2 and I don't think that character has appeared yet. Though I also fall asleep to the show at night on occasion so it's not too far fetched that I missed them.
 
With Leia, the thing I was confused about was that I wasn't sure why she was there when Bail Organa left for Alderaan just prior to the Rogue One assault to tell her to fetch Obi Wan from Tatooine. So, like, did he relay the message to her, and then the comms chatter comes up about this fight and they're just like, fuck it, let's jump into three Star Destroyers and see what happens, we can pick up Obi Wan later?
 
Is it? I'm at the end of season 2 and I don't think that character has appeared yet. Though I also fall asleep to the show at night on occasion so it's not too far fetched that I missed them.

Satine first appeared in episodes 12 and 13 of season 2, The Mandalore Plot and Voyage of Temptation, where Obi-Wan and Anakin have to protect her from Death Watch and assassins on a ship.

Edit: edited for clarity because I forgot the order of episodes
 
If the cops started shooting at you, would it be natural to shoot back? And, they didn't just fire on the ship, the literal first human shots in the movie are her guards lining up to defend the ship from being boarded. If you're on a diplomatic mission why you pointing guns at the cops? Why not just explain the situation to them calmly and as non-threatening as possible?

This isn't cops and civilians; this is a space empire exerting martial law. And yes, actually, it is often a criminal's first reaction to first resist physically, and then plead innocence when overpowered. Also: for all we know, the Rebel ship did try explaining the situation to them calmly at first, but were fired on anyway. Besides: it's very likely the firefight was a delay tactic to get the plans stored on R2 and on the escape pod before they got boarded.

You're really trying to go the distance with this huh

Why are you refusing to consider you had the wrong impression all this time?

How could I have had the "wrong impression all this time" when there literally was no backstory to any of this until this film was made? There was no "right" or "wrong" until now, and the "right" they created doesn't jive with what George Lucas put on film 40 years ago as far as I'm concerned.

Like I said: All I did was give my opinion. Why are you refusing to consider just dropping it instead of trying to argue my feelings away?

With Leia, the thing I was confused about was that I wasn't sure why she was there when Bail Organa left for Alderaan just prior to the Rogue One assault to tell her to fetch Obi Wan from Tatooine. So, like, did he relay the message to her, and then the comms chatter comes up about this fight and they're just like, fuck it, let's jump into three Star Destroyers and see what happens, we can pick up Obi Wan later?

LOL.
 
Another piece of Vader from the art book. Stone meditation chamber.

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With Leia, the thing I was confused about was that I wasn't sure why she was there when Bail Organa left for Alderaan just prior to the Rogue One assault to tell her to fetch Obi Wan from Tatooine. So, like, did he relay the message to her, and then the comms chatter comes up about this fight and they're just like, fuck it, let's jump into three Star Destroyers and see what happens, we can pick up Obi Wan later?

This is absolutely something Leia would do.
 
This isn't cops and civilians; this is a space empire exerting martial law. And yes, actually, it is often a criminal's first reaction to first resist physically, and then plead innocence when overpowered. Also: for all we know, the Rebel ship did try explaining the situation to them calmly at first, but were fired on anyway. Besides: it's very likely the firefight was a delay tactic to get the plans stored on R2 and on the escape pod before they got boarded.

1. It is cops and civilians. The Galactic Empire IS the government, disobeying direct orders from the legitimate ruling authority in the galaxy is grounds for punishment.

2. You just stated "a criminal's first reaction is to resist physically," thus you are admitting that only a criminal would return fire. So, what are you trying to say? What you just said proves that their diplomatic mission crap was a bald faced lie since they immediately resisted physically upon the government's attempt to detain them.

3. "For all we know...they tried to calmly explain the situation." So what? Do the police just let suspects go if they calmly tell them, "sorry we don't have any drugs in this car?" If they were calm and cooperative they would have let the Empire board and search their vessel without trouble.

4. "It's very likely the firefight was a delay tactic..." I'm not sure what you are getting at here, of course it was, what does that have to do with proving they weren't clearly lying about the diplomatic cover?
 
Anakin sure does like that lava after Obi Wan dismembered him and left him to catch on fire.

I was convinced that was Mustafar. I was waiting for them to pop that name up on the screen—they'd identified every other planet thus far!—but no, that was the one time we were left guessing about where we were, when it would be most interesting. How intriguing would it be if Vader set up shop on the planet where he was born?
 
I was convinced that was Mustafar. I was waiting for them to pop that name up on the screen—they'd identified every other planet thus far!—but no, that was the one time we were left guessing about where we were, when it would be most interesting. How intriguing would it be if Vader set up shop on the planet where he was born?

It is Mustafar. The visual guide confirmed it and also explicitly states that Sheev forces him to live there.
 
How do people feel about Vader's castle? Although its based on McQuarrie artwork, it felt a little just outside of Star Wars for me. It reminded me a lot of pure fantasy, like a structure from Lord of the Rings. Beyond the design and reveal shot itself, I don't like the idea of Vader just chilling on Mustafar. Why would he hang around there? Is it a place of regret for him? This is the place I lost everything? Is there a strategic reason to being on Mustafar?
 
1. It is cops and civilians. The Galactic Empire IS the government, disobeying direct orders from the legitimate ruling authority in the galaxy is grounds for punishment.

2. You just stated "a criminal's first reaction is to resist physically," thus you are admitting that only a criminal would return fire. So, what are you trying to say? What you just said proves that their diplomatic mission crap was a bald faced lie since they immediately resisted physically upon the government's attempt to detain them.

3. "For all we know...they tried to calmly explain the situation." So what? Do the police just let suspects go if they calmly tell them, "sorry we don't have any drugs in this car?" If they were calm and cooperative they would have let the Empire board and search their vessel without trouble.

4. "It's very likely the firefight was a delay tactic..." I'm not sure what you are getting at here, of course it was, what does that have to do with proving they weren't clearly lying about the diplomatic cover?

1. I mean that a chase through outer space between two ships is not analagous to a lone cop shooting at a lone criminal. Expected behavior in one situation is not instructive in the other because there are different factors in play.

2. Leia is a criminal. But just because a fleeing criminal may lie after being caught doesn't mean they aren't sincerely hoping the cop will believe them. And, as I pointed out before, she has gotten away with this lie at least once in the past already.

3. We weren't talking about the Star Destroyer's actions in that context, we were talking about the Rebel ship's. You asked why they wouldn't try to calmly explain the situation and talk their way out of it. I pointed out that they very well may have tried that first. That's got nothing to do with whether or not we should expect Vader to believe them.

4. It goes toward showing why they would defend themselves by force even while hoping they might be able to talk the Empire off their trail a second time once they'd been boarded.

It is Mustafar. The visual guide confirmed it and also explicitly states that Sheev forces him to live there.

That's good to know, but why wouldn't they caption that?
 
How do people feel about Vader's castle? Although its based on McQuarrie artwork, it felt a little just outside of Star Wars for me. It reminded me a lot of pure fantasy, like a structure from Lord of the Rings. Beyond the design and reveal shot itself, I don't like the idea of Vader just chilling on Mustafar. Why would he hang around there? Is it a place of regret for him? This is the place I lost everything? Is there a strategic reason to being on Mustafar?

Palpatine wants him constantly angry because it makes him stronger.
 
Two things I've been meaning to ask.

1. When Jyn is searching the list of imperial plans and realises Stardust is the death star, are any of the other titles eastereggs? I don't remember recognising any of them.

2. Are Vader's robes over the chest armour in the final scene to match ANH? I was so caught up in the moment I forgot to take notice.
 
How do people feel about Vader's castle? Although its based on McQuarrie artwork, it felt a little just outside of Star Wars for me. It reminded me a lot of pure fantasy, like a structure from Lord of the Rings. Beyond the design and reveal shot itself, I don't like the idea of Vader just chilling on Mustafar. Why would he hang around there? Is it a place of regret for him? This is the place I lost everything? Is there a strategic reason to being on Mustafar?
It did feel a little out of place but I certainly wouldn't mind it showing up again.
 
How could I have had the "wrong impression all this time" when there literally was no backstory to any of this until this film was made?

There was though. The Radio Dramas featured Leia getting the plans beamed to her as Vader's ship was monitoring the plans being beamed there.

It's almost exactly the same scenario.

That's from 1983.

Up until the mid-90s when "canon rules" started getting implemented, that was the story of how it happened. And even after the canon rules were implemented - that was still the story of how it happened.

Now in 2016, the story of how it happened has changed from "Vader's ship tracks transmissions beamed to ship before it disappears into Hyperspace" to "Vader literally watches plans get aboard ship before it disappears into Hyperspace."

The last two pages are you basically refusing to entertain the notion your initial impression could have possibly been mistaken, which is weird considering a) it's just an impression and b) you didn't really have much to support that impression anyway.
 
So... Them including Senator Bail Organa pretty much means Disney / lucasart acknowledge the prequels and havnt locked the lore / characters / actors in the depths of dagobah
 
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