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[darkistheway]

Which made no sense given what we just saw of him. How is him feeling more and more of The Force until he reaches Level 5 Force Dodge a character arc? Either he feels The Force or he doesn't. He literally spells it out on Edou about how Cassian reeks of The Force, possibly the Dark Side, which usually happens when someone is about to kill. This implies he's felt such a presence before, in fact many times, since he is so familiar with the feeling. That's not someone who has faith in The Force but doesn't feel it, that's someone well versed in the presence and feelings of The Force.

I think it's one thing to feel the Force and quite another to let it flow through you. He becomes one with the Force. Like a Jedi.

My read on Chirrut is someone who believes in the Force, feels it surround him but had never quite given himself over to it. When he finally does, it felt quite powerful to me. I actually choked up. That is how I felt about Chirrut's character arc.

 

[Maintenance]

When he finally does, it felt quite powerful to me. I actually choked up. That is how I felt about Chirrut's character arc.

Same, best moment of the movie for me.

 

[TarpitCarnivore]

Saw it this morning and despite the 8 year old next to me squirming and kicking me I thoroughly enjoyed the film.

I really wasn't digging the first half of the movie. Something about Whitaker/Saw just really wasn't working for me. I know he's based on Clone Wars/Galaxy character, but it was just kind of underwhelming. Things for me picked up once they went to find Galen. I started to feel like the story was being developed and characters were evolving a bit more.

I appreciated how well they did with keeping the tech & ships in line with A New Hope rather than making a whole new style. It helped to keep you aware and connected to the timeline better. Hearing (seeing?) them re-use the Red & Gold leader call signs/commands gave me giggles.

I didn't really enjoy some of the call backs they did. Leia wasn't necessary, the shot of 3PO & R2 was just pointless. James Earl Jones struggled a bit doing Vader, you could hear the age in his voice. And the use of him mid movie was kind of off putting. The mask and overall costume looked like some ad-hoc impersonator you'd see in Disney World

Vader absolutely wrecking shit was completely unexpected. May have been one of the highlights of the movie for me.

 

[Vanillalite]

How old are you, son?

I'm in my 30s

This beats out seeing Jurassic Park as a kid.

 

[Dufoos]

That Vader scene had me shaking

 

[Flow-Walker]

Was surprised what a poor recreation of Vader they did in that middle scene. The weird bulging neck, the overly transparent eye lenses, and that voice... so many pitch-perfect recreations for the video games and they flub it here?

It's James Earl Jones

 

[zero_suit]

It's James Earl Jones

He's 85 now. I'll cut him some slack.

 

[Sanctuary]

When he finally does, it felt quite powerful to me. I actually choked up. That is how I felt about Chirrut's character arc.

Must have been nice to actually have felt something. Personally, he was just yet another manufactured for the masses "cool guy" and a Jedi-that's-not-a-Jedi-but-still-very-much-a-Jedi in a movie "without Jedis" with very little substance at all. BTW, they also claimed that this movie would not have any lightsabers. Hmmm...

 

[Real Hero]

It's James Earl Jones

He sounded off in that scene, it's a shame but it was really obvious especially on the longer sentences

 

[Epcott]

Whew that final act.

*Shivers*

I must see it again. And did I mishear Organa when he mentioned he's been friends with a Jedi and referenced them as a "she"? I may have misheard because I assumed he spoke of Kenobi.

 

[JB1981]

What? What? What?



What?

Are you fucking with me? Please tell me you're joking. This is sarcasm right?

Because as memorable as the Omaha beach scene there are so many other parts that stick out first. The German soldier being forced to dig his grave while crying. Upham in the corner being a Coward while his friend is slowly stabbed to death. Tom Hanks whispering "Earn it".

How in the fucking hell does someone watch this movie and think "Oh fuck this shit is boring, I don't want to watch this, fast-forward."

The movie is famous because of the beach invasion opening and the last stand in the final act. The characters are mostly stock WW2

 

[jelly]

I can sort of see the argument with Bodhi but you can easily imagine he has seen some shit as the Empire are evil bastards and he obviously trusts and got that push from Galen who he probably knows well, otherwise why would Galen trust him. They could maybe have shown some horrors when his mind was getting probed.

As for the others, did we watch the same film, they do interact, share some back story, Jedha alone explains a bit of Chirrut and co. The force was probably a big part of their culture and maybe Baze became disillusioned with it after the Empire rose up or in all likelihood was a boy when shit hit the fan. Cassian tells why he does what has to be done but fights against it when he sees a better way, a good way, trust when the rebels were quite ruthless or wrong. Jyn, you can't complain about her arc. What happened to her family, growing up, being trained by Saw but abandoned that leading rough life with no sense of a bigger purpose and there is a chance to find peace with her father and do the right thing for everyone when all she cares about was her own freedom.

I don't want to be spoon feed character arcs and have exposition of Nolan proportions.

 

[TarpitCarnivore]

Whew that final act.

*Shivers*

I must see it again. And did I mishear Organa when he mentioned he's been friends with a Jedi and referenced them as a "she"? I may have misheard because I assumed he spoke of Kenobi.

You miss heard

 

[Rawr Its Ry]

Whew that final act.

*Shivers*

I must see it again. And did I mishear Organa when he mentioned he's been friends with a Jedi and referenced them as a "she"? I may have misheard because I assumed he spoke of Kenobi.

Mon Mothma is talking to him about Kenobi and he says something like "he served me well in the clone wars" then she brings up what person can help him get Kenobi, and he says "I'd trust her with my life" or something like that referring to Leia.

 

[Maintenance]

Re-watching the first trailer, so many changes. That scene from the August trailer where Jyn went against the Tie Fighter, also gone.

 

[Sanctuary]

I'm in my 30s

This beats out seeing Jurassic Park as a kid.

It doesn't beat out seeing Star Wars at the drive-in in '78.

 

[Spikematic]

I really didn't notice an issue with Vader's voice at all. But a lot of people did so maybe I was too busy fanboying out to notice that he sounded old or whatever. His costume seemed perfectly fine too. Was there supposed to be something wrong with it as well?

 

[ExVicis]

The movie is famous because of the beach invasion opening and the last stand in the final act. The characters are mostly stock WW2

It's been a while but I guess I'm being trolled on NeoGAF right now. Considering how many scenes from Saving Private Ryan that aren't either of those two scenes that are on Youtube and some have more views I'm just going to go ahead and just go with you're Trolling. Either that or you're talking out of your ass to win an argument. And regardless of what it still boils down it's still completely wrong.

 

[Flow-Walker]

I really didn't notice an issue with Vader's voice at all. But a lot of people did so maybe I was too busy fanboying out to notice that he sounded old or whatever. His costume seemed perfectly fine too. Was there supposed to be something wrong with it as well?

People are complaining about the red lenses, but that's what the A New Hope helmet was like.

 

[Timu]

So...much...stuff...from the trailers, is missing in this movie!!!

 

[Epcott]

You miss heard

Mon Mothma is talking to him about Kenobi and he says something like "he served me well in the clone wars" then she brings up what person can help him get Kenobi, and he says "I'd trust her with my life" or something like that referring to Leia.

Ah, ok. That makes sense. Thanks guys!

 

[RyanW]

Toys R Us seemed to let it slip about Saw Gerrera being in the second half of Star Wars Rebels. Back story hype:

 

[CookedChocobo]

I really didn't notice an issue with Vader's voice at all. But a lot of people did so maybe I was too busy fanboying out to notice that he sounded old or whatever. His costume seemed perfectly fine too. Was there supposed to be something wrong with it as well?

A lot of people nitpick lol

 

[TarpitCarnivore]

I really didn't notice an issue with Vader's voice at all. But a lot of people did so maybe I was too busy fanboying out to notice that he sounded old or whatever. His costume seemed perfectly fine too. Was there supposed to be something wrong with it as well?

There was 1 or 2 lines where you can hear his voice fall off. My bigger issue was with the helmet and chest piece.

 

[jelly]

Was surprised what a poor recreation of Vader they did in that middle scene. The weird bulging neck, the overly transparent eye lenses, and that voice... so many pitch-perfect recreations for the video games and they flub it here?

Yeah, they totally botched Vader there. The water tank was cool but once he walked in, he moved like a chump, looked like a fake Vader with that awful suit, what the hell was the neck all about, the phat, the gap. He had zero authority and presence. His voice was fine, there was another moment with Vader on the ship that was terrible voice wise that I'm surprised they didn't do a take 2. James does sound old obviously and it comes through at times but overall decent. What really got me was no threat, no casual coolness that Vader had walking around in the OT, he was intimidating but didn't look stupid. The pointing his finger and voice was lame, didn't seem timed together, I wonder if the guy in the suit said the line because it looks so off like he just did the motion. I don't mind the red eyes.

End of the film though. Amazing, darkness helps it.

 

[K' Dash]

On that note


Anyone else also wondering what Vader does in his free time at the castle haha

On that note, I still have a hard time identifying Christensen as Vader, they seem very different before and after the suit.

Christensen seemed always anxious and intense, contrary to the Vader wee see in the OT.

 

[ExVicis]

People are complaining about the red lenses, but that's what the A New Hope helmet was like.

People forgot Vader had a costume change between movies I think.

 

[Sajuuk]

Toys R Us seemed to let it slip about Saw Gerrera being in the second half of Star Wars Rebels. Back story hype:

Gerrera x Thrawn incoming? yes please

 

[Iriscomeback]

Saw the movie a few hours ago, and took a moment to collect my thoughts.

Overall, I really liked it, BUT, it was also very flawed at times.

Starting with what I liked:

- The whole final act. The space battle was EPIC. Everything you would want from Star Wars
- Darth Vader, his final scene where he kills all those rebels was so, so good. Had a massive nerdgasm. Such a badass.
- The robot was funny (forgot is name :-\)
- Computer Tarkin and Leia were cool. Although I saw through the ruse pretty quickly, it was very well done. The last shot with Leia was fantastic.
- Holy shit Gold and Red leader were in this movie!! The original ones!!! Had a second nerdgasm at this point. Re-using footage from IV was just great.
- Some great locations.
- The movie gave a solid reason as to why the Death Star can be destroyed pretty easy, that was fantastic! It makes IV even better.
- The whole last scene where they manage to get the plans to Leia was great, very tense.
- The movie literally ends where IV begins, really cool.
- Bail Organa was in the movie, cool little nod to episode III!
- Was that ship that pushed that Star Destroyer a KOTOR ship? Sure looked like it!

Now what I did not like...

- The whole first act of this movie was just bad. Like, 10 minutes in and we've seen 4 locations already. That's too much. Characters got introduced really quickly, it felt so rushed and it was messy.
- Why was Forest Whitaker in this movie? His role seemed pointless.
- I saw that a lot of people had problems with this, and me too: I didn't care about these characters at all. Jyn was dull, Cassian was dull and the rest was dull. Who are these people? Why should we care? Why are they fighting? I really needed more from this. It made the drama less impactful. So when they all died I was like, yeah ok that's sad I guess? And come on, Jyn and Cassian could at least have tried to get of the planet but they just gave up? Really wierd.
- The C-3PO and R2-D2 cameo was just put in for the cameo, it was a bit pointless

There is more stuff, but these are my biggest points. I'm absolutely going to watch it again!
One thing I did not understand however:

Wasn't Leia's mission to go to Obi-Wan? Why was she present at the battle in the first place? Nobody knew the plans would be transmitted.

 

[mrklaw]

Why was the Death Star such a bad shot the second time around? First time on jedha was a direct hit. This time it just helpfully hits the comms dish and then impacts off the shore to allow a nice dramatic build up to the main characters dying

 

[Maintenance]

Why was the Death Star such a bad shot the second time around?

They probably let a Stormtrooper aim it.

 

[VeryGooster]

Could not bring myself to care about the characters but the final act was worth the price of admission.

 

[Vincent Alexander]

- I saw that a lot of people had problems with this, and me too: I didn't care about these characters at all. Jyn was dull, Cassian was dull and the rest was dull. Who are these people? Why should we care? Why are they fighting? I really needed more from this. It made the drama less impactful. So when they all died I was like, yeah ok that's sad I guess? And come on, Jyn and Cassian could at least have tried to get of the planet but they just gave up? Really wierd.

To me, this is the movie's biggest flaw.

 

[Pastulio]

Vaders costume looked like crap because it looked like crap in A New Hope. If it's one thing you can't fault Rogue One on, its the dedication to be as accurate as possible to the timeline.

 

[Cross-Section]

Why was the Death Star such a bad shot the second time around? First time on jedha was a direct hit. This time it just helpfully hits the comms dish and then impacts off the shore to allow a nice dramatic build up to the main characters dying

Unlike Jedha, the Death Star was firing from an angle and was directly targeting the communications dish/main base . End result, dish and much of the top of the tower get disintegrated (lol Krennic), rest of the blast hits the water a few dozen miles away.

 

[Vanillalite]

Wasn't Leia's mission to go to Obi-Wan? Why was she present at the battle in the first place? Nobody knew the plans would be transmitted.

I'd need to see it again, but my son and I thought Bail was referring to Ahsoka not Leia to go find Obi?

 

[Sanctuary]

Wasn't Leia's mission to go to Obi-Wan? Why was she present at the battle in the first place? Nobody knew the plans would be transmitted.

Going to go way out on a limb and just say that she was there to receive the plans in whatever form they appeared in. I don't know if her Corvette had a docking bay for shuttles and such, but it most likely did. Otherwise her being there makes pretty much zero sense.

To me, this is the movie's biggest flaw.

I have a similar problem with many of the most popular modern "cinematic" games too. Where the hell is the gameplay? That's like the point isn't it? Star Wars is nothing without characters to get behind.

 

[SuperSah]

The Vader scene at the end.

JESUS.

 

[Skellig Gra]

Whew that final act.

*Shivers*

I must see it again. And did I mishear Organa when he mentioned he's been friends with a Jedi and referenced them as a "she"? I may have misheard because I assumed he spoke of Kenobi.

The "her" was a reference to Leia the rest was talking about Obi-Wan.

 

[Toa TAK]

Vaders costume looked like crap because it looked like crap in A New Hope.

 

[Vanillalite]

The "her" was a reference to Leia the rest was talking about Obi-Wan.

Are you sure? My son immediately bent over and whispered are they talking about Ahsoka?

It makes sense if you've seen Rebels to a degree.

 

[Razorback]

Just watched it.

It was alright.

Disney must have found a formula that guarantees they'll never make a bad movie ever again. But I think it was at the cost of never making a great one either.

 

[Escape Goat]

I'd need to see it again, but my son and I thought Bail was referring to Ahsoka not Leia to go find Obi?

She was referring to Leia going to get the Jedi friend (Obi Wan).

 

[Skellig Gra]

Are you sure? My son immediately bent over and whispered are they talking about Ahsoka?

I am 98% sure. Why else would Smits even be in the movie? He's got the prequel stank on him. His only point is to tie Leia in to ANH and put her on the ship at the end of the movie.

 

[Vanillalite]

She was referring to Leia going to get the Jedi friend (Obi Wan).

Does that even make sense though? I mean Ahsoka was/is the OG fulcrum.

 

[Iriscomeback]

She was referring to Leia going to get the Jedi friend (Obi Wan).

Exactly!

So, why was she at the battle?

 

[Skellig Gra]

Does that even make sense though? I mean Ahsoka was/is the OG fulcrum.

Why wouldn't it? She is the one who ends up with the plans and gets Kenobi to Yavin.

 

[Cheebo]

Does that even make sense though? I mean Ahsoka was/is the OG fulcrum.

It was Leia.

 

[Rentahamster]

Their concepts were interesting. The only one who had backstory though was Jyn. Everyone else didn't get a backstory.

Being a rebel splinter group leader due to philosophical disagreements, and being a former Imperial scientist who is then coerced into working on the Death Star aren't backstories?

 

[Grizzlyjin]

So then do you hate Saving Private Ryan because of all the character moments and growth it has or what?


That's really lazy reasoning. Yes, WE KNOW it's the Empire and they're Evil but why the hell does Bodhi know and believe this?

It's funny you mention Saving Private Ryan. I just rewatched that on Netflix not even two days ago. To answer your question, of course not. I'm a big stickler for character driven stories. I feel like if you're going to try and tell a story, you're better off focusing on the characters first and the plot second. The reason it didn't bother me in Rogue One is that the mission was a collaborative effort. If it was only this rag-tag group the entire time...Eh, I'd probably be left wanting for something. But the other Rebels swooping in to get involved just barely saves this for me.

That isn't an excuse. This is just one of the very very very few instances where the thinness of the characters didn't detract from the movie for me. Yeah, it stops from taking this movie to the next level...But it didn't tank it either.

It's a tough call. The first act of this movie is easily the weakest. Maybe that character development was there and cut in the interest of time? Saving Private Ryan has the benefit of being almost three hours long.