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Rogue One: A Star Wars Story |OT| They rebel - SPOILERS

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darkistheway said:
I think it's one thing to feel the Force and quite another to let it flow through you. He becomes one with the Force. Like a Jedi.

My read on Chirrut is someone who believes in the Force, feels it surround him but had never quite given himself over to it. When he finally does, it felt quite powerful to me. I actually choked up. That is how I felt about Chirrut's character arc.
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I felt his midichlorian count wasn the high enough. He had a low count enough to have a sense of things but not enough to really commune with it.
 
Vanillalite said:
Are you sure? My son immediately bent over and whispered are they talking about Ahsoka?

It makes sense if you've seen Rebels to a degree.
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This is their conversation.

Mothma: Your friend, the Jedi...

Organa: He served me well during the Clone Wars, and has lived in hiding since the Emperor's purge. Yes, I will send for him

Mothma: You will need someone you can trust

Organa: I would trust her with my life
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The Jedi is Obi-Wan and the her is Leia.
 
Just got back.

Loved it. It's by no means a perfect film, and I can understand why it might not appeal to people for whom Star Wars is Skywalkers and light sabres and 1940s serials.

My only gripe: CGI Leia. It was a bad shot and a very strange decision to end the film on it.
 
The moment where the lack of any relationship building between the characters stuck out the most to me was when machine gun guy (I can't even remember half the characters names...) called Jyn "little sister". That was not earned in the fucking slightest. I think they spoke 2 sentences to each other the whole movie?
 
Rentahamster said:
I don't think that's relevant to whether characters are fleshed out or not. If anything, you'd want them to be more built up so that their deaths have greater narrative and emotional impact.
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I guess we agree then? Yes the characters should be fleshed out more.

Kurdel said:
Being reductive doesn't add to your point when we all saw the movie.
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Then what was Galen's Backstory? Or Bodhi's? I keep asking and I keep getting the same thing "Oh he betrayed the Empire because it's Evil" which isn't backstory.

Also why are you being so hostile? it's a movie, is it not allowed to be criticized
 
ExVicis said:
I guess we agree then? Yes the characters should be fleshed out more.



Then what was Galen's Backstory? Or Bodhi's? I keep asking and I keep getting the same thing "Oh he betrayed the Empire because it's Evil" which isn't backstory.
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He was a scientist that worked for the imperials and seemed to be friends with Krennic but eventually Galen left the imperial sciences to settle down and raise his family before he was forcefully brought back to complete the death Star.
Good enough?
 
Killer Queen said:
He was a scientist that worked for the imperials and seemed to be friends with Krennic but eventually Galen left the imperial sciences to settle down and raise his family before he was forcefully brought back to complete the death Star.
Good enough?
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No. What part of it isn't don't you understand? And why did he leave? Why was he willing in the Empire and then suddenly not?

Answer that and it still leaves Bodhi, Saw, Cassian, Cirruk and everyone else.
 
mrkgoo said:
I'll admit some of the lines didn't need to be said.

It would've been funnier if the joke weren't explained. Like they put the bag over husband head and he simply said "are you kidding me?!"
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Both times I've seen it I never even heard he second line, as the theater was cracking up at the first. I agree -- it's not needed.
 
ExVicis said:
No. What part of it isn't don't you understand? And why did he leave? Why was he willing in the Empire and then suddenly not?

Answer that and it still leaves Bodhi, Saw, Cassian, Cirruk and everyone else.
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I was talking about Galen specifically clearly and I think you're being incredibly dramatic.
 
btrboyev said:
It's explained well enough in the movie, he wanted know further part in building a terror machine.
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And why is that? Why did he consent the first time and suddenly change? If you don't think that's needed that's fine it isn't but it doesn't change that he's a weak character.

Killer Queen said:
I was talking about Galen specifically clearly and I think you're being incredibly dramatic.
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I'm really not but everyone has been increasingly upset that I think this movie has bad characterization.
 
ExVicis said:
No. What part of it isn't don't you understand? And why did he leave? Why was he willing in the Empire and then suddenly not?

Answer that and it still leaves Bodhi, Saw, Cassian, Cirruk and everyone else.
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My impression was that he was kind of being forced to work by then end of his first run anyway. His wife remarked that they would be essentially hostages if they were all brought back.

Granted it might need a little more reading between the lines, but there's enough there. At least for me.
 
mrkgoo said:
My impression was that he was kind of being forced to work by then end of his first run anyway. His wife remarked that they would be essentially hostages if they were all brought back.

Granted it might need a little more reading between the lines, but there's enough there. At least for me.
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A flashback shows him having a good time drinking with Krennec in an Imperial Uniform so I think it's safe to say he consented.
 
Hollywood Duo said:
I am 98% sure. Why else would Smits even be in the movie? He's got the prequel stank on him. His only point is to tie Leia in to ANH and put her on the ship at the end of the movie.
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Are we ever going to stop with this?

A reference to the prequels is not the movie killer poison you all pretend it is
 
ExVicis said:
A flashback shows him having a good time drinking with Krennec in an Imperial Uniform so I think it's safe to say he consented.
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He consented THEN. But he obviously ran away into hiding by the end. He wasn't just settling down. He had his wife and kid flee etc.
 
ExVicis said:
And why is that? Why did he consent the first time and suddenly change? If you don't think that's needed that's fine it isn't but it doesn't change that he's a weak character.



I'm really not but everyone has been increasingly upset that I think this movie has bad characterization.
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You really are, especially when you start with "what part of it don't you understand" you start to come off as a dick.

I'm n upset and i wouldn't say the film has bad characterization, but I didn't really care for any of the characters either. I agree that there could've been more but it wasn't anything I found terrible or offensive. It worked well enough for the film.
 
ExVicis said:
And why is that? Why did he consent the first time and suddenly change? If you don't think that's needed that's fine it isn't but it doesn't change that he's a weak character.
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Krennic lied about how Galen's kyber crystal research was being used. He thought it was for improving the energy output the crystals could yield while Krennic had another team working on the weapon. Galen was a pacifist and Krennic knew he wouldn't help if he knew what it was for. When Galen found out he, Lyra and Jyn fled Coruscant with Saw's help.
 
ExVicis said:
A flashback shows him having a good time drinking with Krennec in an Imperial Uniform so I think it's safe to say he consented.
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In the latest page in the Star Wars community thread, there's a summary of Catalyst that helps explain that.

He doesn't know they are using his research for a weapon.
 
Killer Queen said:
You really are, especially when you start with "what part of it don't you understand" you start to come off as a dick.
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Yo I'm fine discussing with this you but you need to stop with the Ad Homs.

I'm n upset and i wouldn't say the film
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Then stop with the Ad Homs.

WadiumArcadium said:
Krennic lied about how Galen's kyber crystal research was being used. He thought it was for improving the energy output the crystals could yield while Krennic had another team working on the weapon. Galen was a pacifist and Krennic knew he wouldn't help if he knew what it was for.
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I know this, the movie doesn't though.

If the movie did say this in some small way it would be a much better movie for it. That's all I'm saying
 
KorrZ said:
The moment where the lack of any relationship building between the characters stuck out the most to me was when machine gun guy (I can't even remember half the characters names...) called Jyn "little sister". That was not earned in the fucking slightest. I think they spoke 2 sentences to each other the whole movie?
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There are brothers and sisters in nature. Brothers and sisters in faith. There are brothers and sisters in allies. It's a common term in war as well as many other things.

Don't get too caught up in it brother.
 
Came back watching 10am show. I was literally exhausted after watching it (and having a big meal afterwards), I fell a sleep and just woke up. ;)

Loved the movie. 1st part was okay. I can definitely see why others would mention that it doesn't work or what not... but after seeing the ending, it just felt a bit pointless to dig into each characters stories.

I do have an issue with K2 though. I loved the droid, but seeing that droid hitting, killing other human beings - it rather made me uncomfortable. Looks like Disney's droids have much higher sense of self id, such as chopper and K2. R2, of course was feisty one, but I don't remember R2 shooting a blaster to kill another human being.

Also loved every bit of cameos in the movie, as much as some were pointless - such as Mos Eisley duo, and R2/3PO scene - but seeing all of them, in bits and all, were still very nice and kept me aware for the duration of the film.

Darth Vader did sound a bit older, but still it's that commanding voice of JEJ, which I loved - I would not have any other way. Costume, I noticed that gap around the neck but didn't bother me too much either. Vader-castle seemed a bit overly done, but well, who knows what goes inside of Vader's mind, especially choosing to live in Mustafar, where he lost his limbs and wife! LOL.

But the final scene... Vader wrecking havoc, I literally wept with nerdgasm, and in the end of the movie during credit, I had to hide the fact that I had tears in my eyes for reasons that I do not know.

One thing I don't get though... is why Organa and Mon Mothma are looking for Obi-Wan's help though. Leia was in desperate situation when she reached out - not sure going to Tatooine was her original intention - I thought she was going to Alderan or Yavin after getting that plan, and was pursued by Vader, and had to evac at Tatooine - maybe she knew Obi-wan was at Tatooine from Organa? Was she supposed to "pick-up" Obi-wan after retreiving the plan from Rogue One on the way back? Seems like too much risk to take for one person.

From my point of view, Organa and Mon Mothma was looking for help to destroy the Death Star from Obi-Wan. Delivery of the plan, I thought, was Leia's part, and reaching out to Obi-Wan was to come 'after' delivering the plan to rebel base.... and the purpose of reaching out, somehow got missed...
 
darkistheway said:
My read on Chirrut is someone who believes in the Force, feels it surround him but had never quite given himself over to it. When he finally does, it felt quite powerful to me. I actually choked up. That is how I felt about Chirrut's character arc.
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I wish I knew where you were coming from with this, because it felt to me like the Force led him all the way from the moment we first met him to his final moments. His Force perception is never remotely in doubt. Those instincts cause him to call out to Jyn, draw him into a close-range fight with six blaster-armed Stormtroopers (which he wins), and lead him to blow up a TIE fighter in such a way that it crashes into a turret. His final walk to the switch was only different from those things in the sense that he knew he wouldn't be walking back.

I don't agree with ExVicis about where the real problems lie with the characterization. We don't need more backstory. The characters' motivations, in a mechanical sense, are clear enough. The issue is more a matter of establishing who they are as individuals, and what their emotional conflicts are over the course of the movie. That could have come naturally from having more interaction among the crew. Some characters, like Bodhi, are really close to satisfying arcs (He wants to do the right thing, but he's cowardly when faced with the actual cost of it. Eventually, he chooses to face that cost), except we don't get any clear sense of what their perspectives are.

Even if nobody needs a moral justification for standing up to the Evil Empire of Evil, stories about that are meaningful because they show us how different kinds of people grapple with that duty and choose to face it. I think Rogue One missed an opportunity to show that among their cast, which just leaves the movie as being a really cool blockbuster instead of something more lasting, like a Fury Road.
 
Just got home from my 2nd viewing.

As always, some of the character's arcs and motivations work ever so slightly better when you've got a rough idea of where things are going and what's happening, with regards to the big picture.

I feel that a moment, that is certainly under-emphasised in the movie is when Saw asks if Jyn can really just move away from all this. When she tells him that she considers her job - 'introducing' the Alliance to Saw - to be done, he says. "The world is coming undone. Imperial flags reign across the galaxy.", to which she says "It doesn't matter if you don't look up"

At least, i myself missed that moment of her displaying a total 'i just wanna get by, fuck that pointless Rebellion' sentiment.

Also, i'm not 100% sure, but i think i detected a Wilhelm scream - and no, not when Jyn pulls down the Storm trooper by his leg on Eadu, but when someone shoots a Storm trooper with a Bazooka on Scarif.

Also, i caught the Chopper and Ghost (multiple) cameos. I don't know why they don't at least embrace the ghost a bit more. It's literally always just visible at the edge of the frame.

And while Vader's castle is a super neat concept, Krennic's Audience with vader looks so offensively green-screened, it's not even funny. - we're almost talking prequel levels here.

I really enjoyed the "spot the reshoots" game - you can really tell, whenever the dialogue sounds a tad disjointed, or the lighting is different.

I'm still not a huge fan of the convoluted "to be able to transmit the plans, we need to blow up the shields, which we need to tell the Rebels about, but to be able to do that we need to connect the Imperial craft to a transmission tower by wire, while literally flipping a "master switch" at an entirely different location"
Shouldn't the Rebels have known that blowing the shield up would have been needed to extract Rogue One anyways. Also, they would've certainly been aware that the shield also blocked communications to the surface.

Also, that one guy totally calls Mon Mothma "Mom" (yeah, i know, he said Ma'am...)
 
The worst part of the movie was the unnecessary memberberries stuck in here and there. Cut Cantina Man, R2 & C3PO and Leia at the end and you have a 9.5, only real gripe was that the music in the first 2/3rds could have stronger.

Easily better than VII and probably better than VIII if I had to guess.

Also, Disney, put a fucking Rogue Squadron game out next year or I fucking riot.
 
sonicmj1 said:
I don't agree with ExVicis about where the real problems lie with the characterization. We don't need more backstory. The characters' motivations, in a mechanical sense, are clear enough.
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Backstory to mean just means I know about this character, where they came from and why. This can be a flashback, a character reading out their past actions from a dossier, someone mentioning having met them before and what happened, or another character informing them about the person in question.

Backstory again is just one part, the lack of character growth and the Zero to flimsy motivations for others and a lack of a sense of camaraderie amongst everyone too.

I think Rogue One missed an opportunity to show that among their cast, which just leaves the movie as being a really cool blockbuster instead of something more lasting, like a Fury Road
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I can agree with this. Fury Road does just the right amount of everything.
 
Visually, the movie was a big leap over ANH. Really dug the sense of scale in this. Other than that I felt the movie didnt really hit its stride until the final mission which meant me getting kind of restless with the things happening on screen until then.
 
JP_ said:
http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-e...ne-unseen-footage-original-film-a7479126.html

posted? Rogue One used unseen Star Wars footage for X-Wing assault -- they found unused footage from New Hope at Skywalker Ranch
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Hey...
“And as we’re walking around, and doing all the cool things and looking at the Millennium Falcon and trying on Han Solo’s jacket and things like that, in the back at the bottom was all these cans of film. And we said ‘what are they?’ and they said ‘Oh, it’s Star Wars.’

“And you go… ‘has someone gone through all this? And it’s like ‘not really, they’re not fully like digitised at all.’”
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I wonder if that contain the entire film with original effects and everything?

Because if it does... that could mean what I think it means (theatrical versions remastered and released someday).
 
WadiumArcadium said:
You've gotta love him.
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Oh, I do. And Rogue One builds on the characteristics that were introduced/explain in the Tarkin novel. A refined savage.

I wish there was more of Vader on the Mon Calamari capital ship. I'd love to see the extra footage Edwards shot for those scenes.

And kudos to ex-GAFfer Whitta. Well done on the story.
 
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