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Rogue One: A Star Wars Story |OT| They rebel - SPOILERS

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I agree that he's closer to OT, but there's hint of energy from PT too, he doesn't move as swiftly nor is as agile in OT as we see R1. Lots of force powers being used and a saber spin. That's pure PT.

So I see a lot of people saying this in response/criticism to the Vader lightsaber scene, and it's simply not true.

His movement was simply a combination of:

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Not even close to prequels flippy bullshit. All his movements meant something.

Vader was toying with old man Obi Wan in ANH. That speed isn't representative of him. Vader in RO was no faster or flashy than he was in ESB or ROTJ.
 
Had some time to think on it and I still love the movie despite two problems.

1. Jyn is not at all interesting and I think Felicity Jones tried but the character is super uninteresting. This is made worse by literally everyone else being more interesting.

2. CGI Peter Cushing is super distracting.
CGI Peter Cushing grew on me and I ended up really liking it. Jyn though...yeah. She is terrible. All the characters in this are. I think I like Rogue One least of all the Star Wars movies. At least in the prequels I enjoy what's happening on screen when we have Obi-Wan. He is fun to watch. I had 0 vested interest in Rogue One good guys. I wish I could put my finger on why....They had a great cast in this film. And it sucks because everything plot-wise I really like in Rogue One.
 
Just got back. Overall, it was way more enjoyable than The Force Awakens. It felt like it fit in much better with the original trilogy than any other movie. I liked the characters and the action was excellent.

Only problem I really have is some of the odder things like Chirrut's "The Force is with me and I am one with the Force" being repeated a bunch of times. Saw also staying back on the planet instead of going with Jyn was a little weird as well.

I initially thought the bolded was weird and kinda forced too, but it gave Chirrut and Baze's final scene alot more weight IMO.
 
So I see a lot of people saying this in response/criticism to the Vader lightsaber scene, and it's simply not true.

His movement was simply a combination of:

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and

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Not even close to prequels flippy bullshit. All his movements meant something.

Vader was toying with old man Obi Wan in ANH. That speed isn't representative of him. Vader in RO was no faster or flashy than he was in ESB or ROTJ.

I was referencing his battle in ESB and RoTJ , he's not as nimble in those as he is in R1. He was moving with greater speed and combining powers to his moves much like the PT. Seamless transition between different forms of combat, not phases or pauses like OT. It's not a negative point though, Anakin is Darth.
 
Not sure about that either, I was at the StarWars exhibition this morning in London, original props and art from the movie was on display, part of Darth Sidous sketches had him in a throne room with Lava, this was from 1980 sketch, I think Lucus wanted heat, fire to be associated with the Sith. Remind people they lived in the depths of hell.

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Saw the movie tonight and was surprised that I loved every minute of it! Especially given all the criticism. I thought the CG characters looked amazing too. Distracting the first scene with Kushing, but then it didn't bother me at all after that.
 
One story element that jumped out at me was a off-hand remake by Chirutt Imwe while on Jedda. While talking to Jyn he mentions that the strongest stars burn bright with kyber crystals. I think this may be a direct reference to Star Killer base and it's sun power technology.
 
Starting to think that exchange between Bail and Mon Mothma is a great barometer for how shit your theater's sound system is.

Good sound system: You understand who and what they're talking about.

System in need of repair: You think Bail just started talking about Ahsoka Tano's dead ass for no reason.

Kinda like his in the OT if you saw boxes around the TIE fighters you knew you had your brightness too high.

They never actually showed her fate in Rebels so this FEELS presumptuous especially since general movie/tv thought is they aren't dead if you don't see a body.

PS: And no I went to a newer theater with Dolby Atmos.
 
My updated ranking

Empire Strikes Back > A New Hope > The Force Awakens > Rogue One = Return of the Jedi > Revenge of the Sth > Phantom Menace > Attack of the Clones

Rogue One and Return of the Jedi have problems but what they do well more than makes up for the flaws.

Both have amazing third acts. I loved the third act of The Force Awakens so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
 
I thoroughly enjoyed it. One of the things I like about Star Wars is its world building and this movie had tons of it. Also, like Empire Strikes Back, the Empire had bite to it. They have forces all over the place and it takes a lot of work to operate in it while avoiding the Storm Troopers around every corner.

One of the few complaints I have though, is what the heck was Leia and the Tantive IV even doing being present at the final battle? Almost no rebel ships made it out of that engagement intact it makes so sense to have a Princess there.

Edit: Also I have trouble remembering any of the characters names aside from Jyn
 
Huge thread so im just going to ask: why the deathtroopers speak in that weird language and voice? I know they are not aliens.
 
They never actually showed her fate in Rebels so this FEELS presumptuous especially since general movie/tv thought is they aren't dead if you don't see a body.

PS: And no I went to a newer theater with Dolby Atmos.

It makes no sense for Bail to contact Ahsoka when we know that Leia's mission is to pick up Ben from Tatooine.

And Ahsoka is very, very likely dead.
Her final shot in Rebels of walking into the Sith temple is symbolic of "going down into the underworld", and the Topps digital cards show her encountering that owl bird thing that's a symbol of the Force.
Filoni made it vague enough that he can change it if he wants but the imagery is all there.
 
It makes no sense for Bail to contact Ahsoka when we know that Leia's mission is to pick up Ben from Tatooine.

And Ahsoka is very, very likely dead.
Her final shot in Rebels of walking into the Sith temple is symbolic of "going down into the underworld", and the Topps digital cards show her encountering that owl bird thing that's a symbol of the Force.
Filoni made it vague enough that he can change it if he wants but the imagery is all there.

If that's how Ahsoka goes out then that's super disappointing.
 
What is this conversation between Bail and Mon Mothma everyone is talking about? It seemed clear to me he was referring to Obi-Wan Kenobi. Especially when you think about the seeming lack of time between this movies end and the beginning of Epidose IV.
 
If that's how Ahsoka goes out then that's super disappointing.

I don't know about that. If she did indeed die there it is a fitting death. I mean she stands her ground against Vader and even gets some good hits in and in the end causes conflict in Vader that would not be seen again until Luke is dying on the Death Star II
 
We know it's Mustafar from the art book. They should have had 'Mustafar' appear like with the other planets.

To be fair, they only had the names of the planets the heroes visited.

You also didn't get a "The Death Star: Imperial Battle Station" card.

Maybe if we complain theyll add it to the Blu-Ray, but I think it's fine as is
 
Just got back. Man the first Vader scene was bad. Looked goofy af. But when he was in action near the end hot damn
That first scene with Vader really bothered me, and it was something about his costume. Specifically his helmet didn't look right. Looked too long at the neck. Someone else here pointed out, and I think they're right, that his helmet is tucked under the shirt/cloth/whatever in most iterations we've seen Vader, so that might've been what stuck out.

One of the few complaints I have though, is what the heck was Leia and the Tantive IV even doing being present at the final battle? Almost no rebel ships made it out of that engagement intact it makes so sense to have a Princess there.
This bugs me too. I can make up reasons why she was there, but they'd all be bad. Otherwise a great final act, minus maybe one or two other minor gripes. I think I would've liked it if the ship that received the plans is about to be blown to hell, and in their last seconds they transmit the plans to Leia's ship wherever it might be. Then ba-boom. Their ship goes down in flames. The empire is left wondering if they got there in time, but Vader knows better. He realizes the plans got out. He follows the transmission, tracks down Leia, and we begin A New Hope.
 
That first scene with Vader really bothered me, and it was something about his costume. Specifically his helmet didn't look right. Looked too long at the neck. Someone else here pointed out, and I think they're right, that his helmet is tucked under the shirt/cloth/whatever in most iterations we've seen Vader, so that might've been what stuck out.
To be fair, he did just get out of the bath...
 
Damn, the more I think on it, somebody stated earlier I agree with so much. This somehow retroactively makes A New Hope even greater. That alone is pretty impressive.
 
I'm not going to disagree that the characters here are flatter than usual compared to other SW films (although, they're still dramatically more relatable than the PT characters). But I have to ask, for the people who aren't feeling R1 because of this, how do you feel about Alien?

Alien does not have characters. Its most fleshed out character is Jones, the cat. But it's an all-time classic. Are utilitarian characters fine there but not here? Do you find that Alien works in spite of its non-characters in a way that R1 doesn't achieve? Or do you dislike Alien as well?
 
To be fair, he did just get out of the bath...
That's probably why he was in such a bad mood too. Nobody interrupts Lord Vader's bath time.
I'm not going to disagree that the characters here are flatter than usual compared to other SW films (although, they're still dramatically more relatable than the PT characters). But I have to ask, for the people who aren't feeling R1 because of this, how do you feel about Alien?

Alien does not have characters. Its most fleshed out character is Jones, the cat. But it's an all-time classic. Are utilitarian characters fine there but not here? Do you find that Alien works in spite of its non-characters in a way that R1 doesn't achieve? Or do you dislike Alien as well?
Wait. Which movie are we talking about? Alien, Aliens, or Alien 3? It's been too long, so I can't remember which had the cat. That was Aliens 3, right?
 
I'm ok with the cheesy "don't choke on your ambitions" line. Vader legitimately has a weird dark sense of humor. "Apology accepted captain Needa" is a prime example. He was literally one-lining to a corpse.
 
That first scene with Vader really bothered me, and it was something about his costume. Specifically his helmet didn't look right. Looked too long at the neck. Someone else here pointed out, and I think they're right, that his helmet is tucked under the shirt/cloth/whatever in most iterations we've seen Vader, so that might've been what stuck out.

Yeah, I felt this too. Something was off. I got a very "fan film" vibe from the first Vader scene and I can't quite put my finger on why. His second appearance though... damn.
 
If they had put mustafar at the arrival on that planet everyone would have guessed that vader was coming.

Never thought about that. I just assumed people watched the trailers and knew he would be in the movie. Just seemed weirdly ambiguous to just not say Mustafar.
 
That first scene with Vader really bothered me, and it was something about his costume. Specifically his helmet didn't look right. Looked too long at the neck. Someone else here pointed out, and I think they're right, that his helmet is tucked under the shirt/cloth/whatever in most iterations we've seen Vader, so that might've been what stuck out.


This bugs me too. I can make up reasons why she was there, but they'd all be bad. Otherwise a great final act, minus maybe one or two other minor gripes. I think I would've liked it if the ship that received the plans is about to be blown to hell, and in their last seconds they transmit the plans to Leia's ship wherever it might be. Then ba-boom. Their ship goes down in flames. The empire is left wondering if they got there in time, but Vader knows better. He realizes the plans got out. He follows the transmission, tracks down Leia, and we begin A New Hope.

When exactly is his helmet tucked into his clothes? It's not in ANH, it's definitely not in the finale of Empire
 
Damn, the more I think on it, somebody stated earlier I agree with so much. This somehow retroactively makes A New Hope even greater. That alone is pretty impressive.
I agree. They take a couple of lines from the movie and turn them into a powerful film that echoes the message of the first film.

The fact that they turned the most ridiculous part of New Hope (the exhaust port weakness) into a damn near perfect scene (Galyn's plan) is awesome.
 
Is that not the most hilariously obnoxious file management system? They can open a breach in the space time continuum, but they need robotic VR arms to pull a hard drive out of a server rack?

I cracked up at that shit lol
 
I don't know about yall, but every time I actually SEE Bail Organa, I think of three things:

1) "General Kenobi, years ago you served my father in the Clone Wars."
2) Leia relays his message to Obi Wan.
3) BANG

So I had just about zero problem understanding what, and who, he was talking about in that scene.

Exactly. In context of the films who else would he be talking about? Ahsoka has no place in the movies - I know she is canon, but you gotta see his from the perspective of people who have only seen the films, which I imagine is the vast majority of Star Wars movie-goers.

For example I haven't really watched clone wars or rebels. Who do you think I would imagine he's referring to?
 
Is that not the most hilariously obnoxious file management system? They can open a breach in the space time continuum, but they need robotic VR arms to pull a hard drive out of a server rack?

I cracked up at that shit lol

I guess the idea is that the hard drive room was some kind of hermetically sealed chamber or something? Shit, I dunno.
 
Fucking finally!

A suicide mission where the main cast actually dies!

No last minute heroics, no last minute heroes, AND NO LAST MINUTE PLOT NO JITSU where the main cast manages to survive.

The entire last few scenes all I could think is how is the mighty pretty female lead is going to manage to survive to walk off into the sun set with her mighty pretty man.

I was hoping that the blind dude was a stealth Jedi but nope!

I loved the movie by the way. In the beginning parts it felt like there was too much going on but it all came together.
 
These are, canonically, the last images of Ahsoka, so you can make of them what you will. Could be interpreted as death, could be overcoming death, could be literal. We really just don't know, but since Filoni feels like her story is done, I'm leaning towards death.

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I'm ok with the cheesy "don't choke on your ambitions" line. Vader legitimately has a weird dark sense of humor. "Apology accepted captain Needa" is a prime example. He was literally one-lining to a corpse.
At first I thought my issue was with the line, but the more I think about it I genuinely think it is the framing of it all. It starts great---Vader just keeps his back to Krennic, and we hear the effect. Immediately realize what is going on. Pretty badass. But it takes a little long for Vader to get to his line, so there is this buildup of tension in the scene. No one has said anything. And then we cut back to Vader the final time. The camera closes in on him too close for my liking, as if it is going "and here comes the whammy!" Then he delivers the line and it felt goofy to me. If the camera hung back at a distance where it was when the choking began, I think I would've really loved it. Re-watching the Apology Accepted, Captain Needa line, I love the way the camera works that scene. The emphasis isn't on the line itself, but on the action of what Vader's done. He starts his line while we're still watching Needa gasping for air at Vader's feet. I'm willing to concede and say the line might not be as bad as I've been making it, but I think something was wrong. That's just my take on the whole thing though.

Fucking finally!

A suicide mission where the main cast actually dies!

No last minute heroics, no last minute heroes, AND NO LAST MINUTE PLOT NO JITSU where the main cast manages to survive.

The entire last few scenes all I could think is how is the mighty pretty female lead is going to manage to survive to walk off into the sun set with her mighty pretty man.
Agreed. I was going to be really twiked if the cast found a way to survive, considering the plot of what we were going into. Really happy with how it turned out in that regard.
 
Is that not the most hilariously obnoxious file management system? They can open a breach in the space time continuum, but they need robotic VR arms to pull a hard drive out of a server rack?

I cracked up at that shit lol

It's a quirk of the Star Wars universe. Like how they have hyperlight travel and light sabres and deathstars, yet, strangely a lot of the technology looks like they are props from the seventies. How odd.

best not to think too hard about that sort of thing lest you start thinking about why they wouldn't just beam several dozen copies of the plans everywhere. It's just data after all.
 
The whole damn film all I wanted was for Diego Luna to say "Darth Vader, my name is Cassian Anders, you killed my father, prepare to die" That dude should TOTALLY be Inigio Montoya in a Princess Bride remake!

And I also thought I saw the Ghost parked in the upper left of the screen when they did one of the first overhead shots of the Yavin base.
 
I'm ok with the cheesy "don't choke on your ambitions" line. Vader legitimately has a weird dark sense of humor. "Apology accepted captain Needa" is a prime example. He was literally one-lining to a corpse.

Yep that Vader is awesome, so confident and mocking. Worked very well here too.
 
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