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Rogue One: A Star Wars Story |OT| They rebel - SPOILERS

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Yeah, I felt this too. Something was off. I got a very "fan film" vibe from the first Vader scene and I can't quite put my finger on why. His second appearance though... damn.
Speaking of fan film vibes, the font on the "Rogue One" title screen looked amateurish as hell.
 
I guess the idea is that the hard drive room was some kind of hermetically sealed chamber or something? Shit, I dunno.

And yet they immediately pull it out into the open air with lasers and explosions and shit flying past them lol. I just put it down to the retro-Episode 4 Empire art direction.
 
What is this conversation between Bail and Mon Mothma everyone is talking about? It seemed clear to me he was referring to Obi-Wan Kenobi. Especially when you think about the seeming lack of time between this movies end and the beginning of Epidose IV.

Yea obviously. Like what is the internet talking about? How is this a question
 
Are you referring to the droids being harmful to humans being uncomfortable on a sort of "Asimov's laws of robotics" level?

Lest we forget the prequels were ALL ABOUT droids killing people. Trade federation, battle droids, etc


Regarding obi wan. That's just pure retcon. On its own in ANH, you have to assume that she stole the plans and since being pursued had to ditch them and obiwan was nearby. Or something.

Yes. I guess it's more of Asimov's law, or maybe the Astroboy theme is too instilled within my mind. I know droids can kill people - I watched entire Clone Wars. But at least all the prequels had the droids = enemy (or, more like... hmm.. Zombies)... But in my memory, none of the good side droids intentionally killed a human being. (Well, they aided, but not on their own).

One scene though, is R2 killing off other droids in revenge of sith, or R2 fighting the death battle against R4... but at least it's droid vs droids, not droid vs living thing.

So my understanding of droids on human side = comic reliefs and aids, but not a war mongering machines - but disney's droids like chopper & K2, seem to be much more self-conscious than other human side droids, including 3po.

To think finding Obi-Wan as pure retcon, the dialogues in Rogue One between Organa and Man Mothma seem to direct too much linkage & intent finding Obi-Wan... so I guess I will just have to assume Leia, being pursued, had chose to fled to Tatooine in desperate attempt to ditch the droids to Obi Wan, instead of giving to any other rebel person... which seems to make most sense. But coming to that much trust without ever meeting Obi-Wan himself with such valued information, seem a bit unlikely or dare I say.. far-fetched a bit.
 
Fucking finally!

A suicide mission where the main cast actually dies!

No last minute heroics, no last minute heroes, AND NO LAST MINUTE PLOT NO JITSU where the main cast manages to survive.

The entire last few scenes all I could think is how is the mighty pretty female lead is going to manage to survive to walk off into the sun set with her mighty pretty man.

I was hoping that the blind dude was a stealth Jedi but nope!

I loved the movie by the way. In the beginning parts it felt like there was too much going on but it all came together.

I think that hypothetically they could have let one of the crew survive, and just write their character off as they were sent off to the outer realms of the galaxy in hiding as to why we never hear/see from them again.
 
Is that not the most hilariously obnoxious file management system? They can open a breach in the space time continuum, but they need robotic VR arms to pull a hard drive out of a server rack?

I cracked up at that shit lol

I found half of the men having mustaches even funnier.

(I loved the fact half the men had 70's mustaches and all the computer graphics were straight from the 70's)
 
Fucking finally!

A suicide mission where the main cast actually dies!

No last minute heroics, no last minute heroes, AND NO LAST MINUTE PLOT NO JITSU where the main cast manages to survive.

The entire last few scenes all I could think is how is the mighty pretty female lead is going to manage to survive to walk off into the sun set with her mighty pretty man.

I was hoping that the blind dude was a stealth Jedi but nope!

I loved the movie by the way. In the beginning parts it felt like there was too much going on but it all came together.

I've been reading today how Jyn might be having a sequel...
 
I think that hypothetically they could have let one of the crew survive, and just write their character off as they were sent off to the outer realms of the galaxy in hiding as to why we never hear/see from them again.

or have one of them crack, betray everyone, and join the Empire as a Stormtrooper.
 
Is that not the most hilariously obnoxious file management system? They can open a breach in the space time continuum, but they need robotic VR arms to pull a hard drive out of a server rack?

I cracked up at that shit lol

I honestly liked that, the low res binoculars, and the low detail monitors. Star Wars is a science fantasy series where tech has literally stayed in the same ballpark for literally thousands of years, like how fantasy settings with Elves and stuff get stuck in the middle ages aesthetic for thousands of years.

Their maintenance droids exhibit personality and learning capacity that androids in other fictions would kill for, but they still communicate with each other with clunky comlinks that look nothing like even our smartphones.
 
Yeah he said so.

It was in the hologram message.

Ohhh, damn, ok thanks! Me and a buddy didn't catch that.

And K2SO was great. The blind Donnie Yen Force monk was cool sometimes and semi ridiculous in others. His mantra was almost crazy town haha

I swear when Jyn walked on their transport ship in Yavin and said "May the Force be with us" I think he jizzed his pants on screen
 
I think that hypothetically they could have let one of the crew survive, and just write their character off as they were sent off to the outer realms of the galaxy in hiding as to why we never hear/see from them again.
Or we could have continued the horror movie vibe from Vader. Have Jyn be the only survivor. She takes off on a small ship by herself, the wreckage of the naval battle behind her. She wipes a tear from her cheek, then flies off in the distance towards the stars. The camera holds one position, in front of her in the pilot's seat, facing her. She looks down to her crystal, and a smile creeps on her face. She made it. The mission succeeded. Then Vader's lightsaber ignites directly behind her.

"Hello, Jyn."

-cut to black-
 
Yes. I guess it's more of Asimov's law, or maybe the Astroboy theme is too instilled within my mind. I know droids can kill people - I watched entire Clone Wars. But at least all the prequels had the droids = enemy (or, more like... hmm.. Zombies)... But in my memory, none of the good side droids intentionally killed a human being. (Well, they aided, but not on their own).

One scene though, is R2 killing off other droids in revenge of sith, or R2 fighting the death battle against R4... but at least it's droid vs droids, not droid vs living thing.

So my understanding of droids on human side = comic reliefs and aids, but not a war mongering machines - but disney's droids like chopper & K2, seem to be much more self-conscious than other human side droids, including 3po.

To think finding Obi-Wan as pure retcon, the dialogues in Rogue One between Organa and Man Mothma seem to direct too much linkage & intent finding Obi-Wan... so I guess I will just have to assume Leia, being pursued, had chose to fled to Tatooine in desperate attempt to ditch the droids to Obi Wan, instead of giving to any other rebel person... which seems to make most sense. But coming to that much trust without ever meeting Obi-Wan himself with such valued information, seem a bit unlikely or dare I say.. far-fetched a bit.

Nah, as pointed out earlier I forgot that in the hologram message to obi wan from leia, she openly apologises for not being able to make it in person, implying the intention was always to summon him.
 
Not going to get into specifics but as a 42 year old male who grew up with the original trilogy and was a proud member of the Jedi Fan Club I loved this damn movie.
Sure it is not a perfect movie, but it was the perfect moving going experience.
And that's all we need sometimes.
 
Yep, I didn't like the title card either. Should have just been the logo.

I was indifferent on it until I remembered where I'd seen that kind of typeface before:

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:D

The music was definitely the weaker part of that shot (though the "Hope" motif that's used there is one of the lesser parts of the score in general)
 
Not going to get into specifics but as a 42 year old male who grew up with the original trilogy and was a proud member of the Jedi Fan Club I loved this damn movie.
Sure it is not a perfect movie, but it was the perfect moving going experience.
And that's all we need sometimes.

Agreed.
I'm 42 as well, but it was my friend that was a subscriber to Bantha Tracks.
Niether of us were in the jedi fan club :(

I loved it, maybe even more than The Force Awakens
 
what the fuck are you talking about?

Bah, I've seen the gif of Chirrut tapping his stick among the other Rogue One members and looking extremely satisfied on here a few times before, don't make me go searching for it

- was right when they were stealing the transport ship from Yavin,
 
Damn, the more I think on it, somebody stated earlier I agree with so much. This somehow retroactively makes A New Hope even greater. That alone is pretty impressive.

I agree. They take a couple of lines from the movie and turn them into a powerful film that echoes the message of the first film.

The fact that they turned the most ridiculous part of New Hope (the exhaust port weakness) into a damn near perfect scene (Galyn's plan) is awesome.

This is the single best part of the film - how it takes a weird throwaway line that brought up some giant plot holes in the original film and turns it into something meaningful and powerful. It's no longer a silly plot contrivance but a deliberate placement and sacrifice by somone who wanted to do the right thing.

"Why the fuck does the Death Star have such an obvious weak point? Who died getting this information to the rebels?"
"Well, let me explain... *plays Rogue One*"
"OMG MY FEELS"
 
And yet they immediately pull it out into the open air with lasers and explosions and shit flying past them lol. I just put it down to the retro-Episode 4 Empire art direction.

movie version of real life big data storage thats done on tape drives... silly part is transfer to the ship but otherwise. And yes, there are robots bringing the tapes even today... just saw article on gizmodo, not sure if gawker is safe to link so not linking it... anyway, its like that but less fancy.

I would also also think that actual archive would be underground but generally as tech goes, this is pretty reasonable.
 
yeah that title screen... yeeeeesh.

should have just done a traditional scroll if THAT'S all they had in mind lol

The place of the opening crawl wouldn't even be where the title screen would be.

Opening crawl is straight after "long time ago in a galaxy far, far away".

Rogue one had a cold open, something not done in a mainline SW film. Not only that, after the cold open there was a time jump. I guess you might argue it's a flashback, but regardless the Rogue One title screen sits in that time jump.

It's all part of "not the Star Wars you know".
 
Loved this movie, loved Vader, and I didn't hate the 2 leads. You did good Edwards!

My one wish was for them to have a more focused Krenic character arc. Feels like there was something missing in there...

I thought the Tarkin CGI looked off, but I honestly did not care. I was just happy that he was even in the film.

Also shocked that there are some people who don't like the Vader action scene. It was amazing and not out of character terms of movement. He was so sure and deliberate that it looked like he was doing fancy tricks, but it was mostly simplistic attacks done with brutal efficiency.
 
what the fuck are you talking about?
Chirrup imwe makes a couple of funny faces during some scenes.

Because but yeah his mantra with the force is a little odd at first but then you understand that he may be force-sensitive but not totally in tune with the force in a world where the force is relegated to being a myth. Just adds to the idea that many people probably consider him a looney.

On that note I also love some of the subtlety like when Mon Motha speaks to Bail and says "your friend the Jedi" in a hush hush kind of way like it was taboo or super secret. Kinda cool.
 
Is that not the most hilariously obnoxious file management system? They can open a breach in the space time continuum, but they need robotic VR arms to pull a hard drive out of a server rack?

I cracked up at that shit lol

It made me smile, I worked as an IT guy in the late 80s and they had this climate controlled cylindrical room with tapes along the inner core and the outer edge and a robotic arm that would use OCR to grab a tape and then drop it in the slot for us to access.
 
Yeah what was up with the title font? I mean its totally different from the one they used in marketing.

I don't think it was. I think it's just what Trajan looks like when you hollow it out and turn it yellow.

Honestly, I was thinking there might not be a title card, and at the very end, instead of irising out to a director's credit, the Tantive IV would jump to hyperspace, and then BLAM: The logo fills the screen, and recedes, and then the Rogue One title from the trailers fades in and fades out - and then blue credits as per usual.
 
My favorite part of this movie is the Rebel fleet arriving above Scarif. Completely giddy "holy shit" moment for me to see a RotJ style assault.
 
I don't think it was. I think it's just what Trajan looks like when you hollow it out and turn it yellow.

Honestly, I was thinking there might not be a title card, and at the very end, instead of irising out to a director's credit, the Tantive IV would jump to hyperspace, and then BLAM: The logo fills the screen, and recedes, and then the Rogue One title from the trailers fades in and fades out - and then blue credits as per usual.

Still have the potential for that Special Edition cut....
 
Not sure why you think that as the general consensus here is the opposite. Don't know how anyone could think otherwise unless they don't know the meaning of the er...term there.
Maybe a few people here think it's bad but I've been arguing all the problems this movie has for pages upon pages and I still think think it's a good movie and I'm having a hard time figuring out if I prefer it to ROTJ or not.
 
I was very impressed with Tarkin, that's the closest that tech has looked to the real thing. They are SO close to getting that right. And whoever was doing his voice was spot on.

Vader's voice was slightly off. JEJ's voice was bleeding through a little too much. It's like they didn't filter his voice through the effects enough that make him sound like Vader. Didn't have enough resonance.

It was awesome to see some of the squadron leaders from ANH... should have included Porkins!

And this movie is just another confirmation that Giacchino is the heir apparent to Williams. This score sounded more Star Wars than TFA.

The only nod I didn't like was 3PO and R2. That's just too much of a WINK WINK when you only include them in that one shot.
 
Yes. I guess it's more of Asimov's law, or maybe the Astroboy theme is too instilled within my mind. I know droids can kill people - I watched entire Clone Wars. But at least all the prequels had the droids = enemy (or, more like... hmm.. Zombies)... But in my memory, none of the good side droids intentionally killed a human being. (Well, they aided, but not on their own).

One scene though, is R2 killing off other droids in revenge of sith, or R2 fighting the death battle against R4... but at least it's droid vs droids, not droid vs living thing.

So my understanding of droids on human side = comic reliefs and aids, but not a war mongering machines - but disney's droids like chopper & K2, seem to be much more self-conscious than other human side droids, including 3po.

To think finding Obi-Wan as pure retcon, the dialogues in Rogue One between Organa and Man Mothma seem to direct too much linkage & intent finding Obi-Wan... so I guess I will just have to assume Leia, being pursued, had chose to fled to Tatooine in desperate attempt to ditch the droids to Obi Wan, instead of giving to any other rebel person... which seems to make most sense. But coming to that much trust without ever meeting Obi-Wan himself with such valued information, seem a bit unlikely or dare I say.. far-fetched a bit.

Perhaps I'm misunderstanding you, but it's not ret-con. In Star Wars Leia plainly says in her full hologram message "My mission to bring you to Alderaan has failed."
 
Perhaps I'm misunderstanding you, but it's not ret-con. In Star Wars Leia plainly says in her full hologram message "My mission to bring you to Alderaan has failed."

Yeah, she got the plans, was on the way to pick up Ben, and was gonna go from there straight back home to Bail w/ the Jedi and the plans in hand.

That was always the plan, even before this movie existed.
 
I don't think it was. I think it's just what Trajan looks like when you hollow it out and turn it yellow..

Would've preferred they use another font than Trajan for the sequence. Looked odd stylistically.

The classic poster font could have been good or something like that
Star-Wars-Classic-Logo.jpg
 
But I have to ask, for the people who aren't feeling R1 because of this, how do you feel about Alien? Are utilitarian characters fine there but not here? Do you find that Alien works in spite of its non-characters in a way that R1 doesn't achieve? Or do you dislike Alien as well?
A bit more okay with characters flat in Alien. That movie is basically a slasher horror movie in space. Since the movie is basically normal Space Freight crew gets trapped on a ship with a monster I don't really need their backstory either. In a movie like that backstory is fine but not at all needed, what's more important in that type of movie is that they act logically in order to survive and survive in a way that makes complete sense or they die in a way that makes sense.

I still think Rogue one is a good movie despite the cardboard-esqe characters but I'm not going to pretend they aren't or that it's fine because I liked the rest of the movie.
 
A bit more okay with characters flat in Alien. That movie is basically a slasher horror movie in space. Since the movie is basically normal Space Freight crew gets trapped on a ship with a monster I don't really need their backstory either. In a movie like that backstory is fine but not at all needed, what's more important in that type of movie is that they act logically in order to survive and survive in a way that makes complete sense or they die in a way that makes sense.

I still think Rogue one is a good movie despite the cardboard-esqe characters but I'm not going to pretend they aren't or that it's fine because I liked the rest of the movie.
It helps that I actively want the crew in Alien to survive too. I was never involved enough with Jyn to care if her mission succeeded or not. It's really hard to like a character who is a fence-sitter even after one side murdered her mother in front of her and kidnapped her dad. And her transition to "I wanna fight now!" wasn't anything of note.
 
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