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Rogue One: A Star Wars Story |OT| They rebel - SPOILERS

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I just don't remember him saying during his chat with Mon that he was sending Leia to get the plans, just that he was going to send her to get Kenobi. But I've only seen it once so far.

Just seems like a pointless thing to do to put her in harms way when there were other blockade runners there as well. In the old version she pushed for it because she wanted to show her commitment to the Alliance and Bail conceded though he didn't want her to do it. Not that that matters anymore.

I think it goes down like this:

- Just before Rogue One sneaks off Yavin 4, Bail summons Leia after his conversation with Mon Mothma.

- She arrives sometime around the time the Rogues get to Scarrif. Bail goes onboard and briefs her on the mission to Tattoine.

-Before she can leave the Rebels find out about the Rogue's assault. There is a line in R1 that the Admiral had already jumped the fleet to help.

-Likely Leia was essentially trapped onboard because the Tantive IV was still inside the Rebel flagship when it jumped. Hence the reason she was present at the battle in the Tantive.
 
It's still a little jarring though when you think about the confrontation she was with Vader in A New Hope versus how Rogue One ends.

In A New Hope she says "I'm on a diplomatic mission to Alderran" but in Rogue One Vader literally watches the ship fly away. So it's just a little weird.

What I don't understand is in the movie C3PO and R2D2 are still on Yavin 4 when the fleet leaves....how do they ever get on Leia's ship? If she was ever able to have picked them up then obviously she was in a position to give the plans to the alliance
 
Obi-Wan is 58 in A New Hope.

Two years younger than Qui-Gon was in The Phantom Menace.

That Tattoine, binary sun. Shit is terrible for your skin.

Owen Lars, AOTC/RoTS:
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ANH:

Dude, it's barely been 2 decades.

 
The extent of their plan was "Oh shit, Vader. Obi-Wan whupped his ass once, right?"


Leia:

Vader:
Lmao. I thought you were trying to give Vader a body at first....Take out the quotes, and put them together.

What I don't understand is in the movie C3PO and R2D2 are still on Yavin 4 when the fleet leaves....how do they ever get on Leia's ship? If she was ever able to have picked them up then obviously she was in a position to give the plans to the alliance
Yeah. I pointed this out the night I saw. Seemed a little iffy....but those two have their ways. I'm sure lots of shenanigans got them up there.
 
Bail didn't send her to get the plans. She went with Raddus's fleet. She was in Raddus's ship. Which went without permission of Rebellion. The rest of the fleet weren't sent till after that.

Bail sent her to get Obi-Wan.

Leia was all "fuck this, I am going to go help the rogues on Scarif first"

Leia with without permission of the Rebellion as part of Raddus's group.

I think this is my problem, as I may be remembering the order of events wrong since I only saw it once so far. Did Raddus leave before or after Bail told Mothma he was sending Leia to get Ben?
 
Saw it. Liked it better than Episode VII.

I've been predicting over and over since last summer that it was a suicide mission and I'm glad to see they had the guts to do that.

I thought some of the stuff was a bit too dumb movie-y hollywood crap like the necklace, but overall I really enjoyed it.

I just have to wonder why they inserted a cartoon Tarkin into the scenes interacting with other people. Why? Episode III already solved this. Just get the guy who looks kinda like him and use makeup. Done. It was so fucking awful. Hahaha.

A good special effect is one you don't think about. If it brings things to a screeching halt and you can't understand why one character is a cartoon it's not a good special effect. Imagine young people seeing this movie and not having any understanding of why one of the humans is randomly CG.

Leia wasn't as jarring because she was only on for a second, but still rather bad. Again, just find someone who has a similar facial structure and use makeup to get her the rest of the way. It would be so much better.
 
The great Pablo Hidalgo even confirms this before we continue to discuss this:

Okay. Now my question is answered, although I just don't see much of motive. Even w/o Rogue One, it just seems a bit excessive in terms of risk taking for Leia's part and rebellion's part when you think about it.

So it's a time sensitive uber secret, yet she'd be allowed to take detour of some unknown location in search of lost Jedi whom they don't know if he's still alive or whatnot...

As per the hologram, I totally forgot about that line LOL... the first "help me.." part, was just too instilled in my mind. ;)
 

Ah, didn't watch the teaser.

Also noticed in Trailer #2 there is a quick shot at 1:24 that I don't recall with the Death Star being that detailed.

I wonder if this was caught before release as being too detailed compared to ANH

What I don't understand is in the movie C3PO and R2D2 are still on Yavin 4 when the fleet leaves....how do they ever get on Leia's ship? If she was ever able to have picked them up then obviously she was in a position to give the plans to the alliance

Yeah this too. The entire fleet is taking off and 3PO & R2 are on the ground, but some how find their way to the ship? I guess it's possible, but it'd mean Leia would have to find them or just coincidentally end up on the same ship.
 
Okay. Now my question is answered, although I just don't see much of motive. Even w/o Rogue One, it just seems a bit excessive in terms of risk taking for Leia's part and rebellion's part when you think about it.

So it's a time sensitive uber secret, yet she'd be allowed to take detour of some unknown location in search of lost Jedi whom they don't know if he's still alive or whatnot...

As per the hologram, I totally forgot about that line LOL... the first "help me.." part, was just too instilled in my mind. ;)

Leia's mission was purely to get Obi-Wan, who is, once again, one of the few people in the galaxy who fought Darth Vader and won. Everyone doesn't know that, but you know who does? Bail Organa.

That she ends up at Scariff is purely because Radditz (or whatever Ackbar Jr. is named) jumped the gun and decided to help out the Rogue team against orders. She wasn't allowed to take a detour. The Mon Calamari chose to break rank.
 
These are, canonically, the last images of Ahsoka, so you can make of them what you will. Could be interpreted as death, could be overcoming death, could be literal. We really just don't know, but since Filoni feels like her story is done, I'm leaning towards death.

The impression Filoni seems to give in interviews is she is dead with the whole "her story is over" line and all.

Unless she pops up out of the blue I think the safe assumption is she is dead.
 
Leia's mission was purely to get Obi-Wan, who is, once again, one of the few people in the galaxy who fought Darth Vader and won. Everyone doesn't know that, but you know who does? Bail Organa.

That she ends up at Scariff is purely because Radditz (or whatever Ackbar Jr. is named) jumped the gun and decided to help out the Rogue team against orders. She wasn't allowed to take a detour. The Mon Calamari chose to break rank.

Got it. Read other posts up there, just now as well...

But she still chose to go to Tatooine first though, even after her mission,has taken a detour and it's a such time-sensitive thing.

And perhaps Mon Mothma and Organa is reaching out to Obi-Wan to go up against Vader and Sidious - but that they could have done years ago, even before the death star days...

But anyhow, I don't know what made her jump to Tatooine take more priority over immediate delivery of the death star data to Rebels. But the ANH says her mission is both... I guess that's that. ;) At least we got a great movie out of it! :)
 
How much do you guys want to bet that in VIII Luke pulls out a kyber crystal out of Rey's staff?
 
Saw it. Liked it better than Episode VII.

I've been predicting over and over since last summer that it was a suicide mission and I'm glad to see they had the guts to do that.

I thought some of the stuff was a bit too dumb movie-y hollywood crap like the necklace, but overall I really enjoyed it.

I just have to wonder why they inserted a cartoon Tarkin into the scenes interacting with other people. Why? Episode III already solved this. Just get the guy who looks kinda like him and use makeup. Done. It was so fucking awful. Hahaha.

A good special effect is one you don't think about. If it brings things to a screeching halt and you can't understand why one character is a cartoon it's not a good special effect. Imagine young people seeing this movie and not having any understanding of why one of the humans is randomly CG.

Leia wasn't as jarring because she was only on for a second, but still rather bad. Again, just find someone who has a similar facial structure and use makeup to get her the rest of the way. It would be so much better.

I think you kind of give too much credit to the makeup job in RotS.

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BTW, Tarking in E3 was played by Wayne Pygram who played Scorpius in Farscape, though he has no dialog in the movie I'm not sure if he did originally and it was cut.

Tarkin is a hard case for CGI though, just given his age and the detail needed in the face. That's one reason Leia was much easier, much younger and less blemish and creases to do convincingly.

More importantly I was wondering the whole time if they actually digitally reconstructed his vocal performance, and apparently they did to my astonishment.

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/he...and-moff-tarkin-peter-cushing-returned-957258

To complete the illusion, the WETA sound team then had to add a convincing simulation of Walker’s voice mouthing new dialog. Explains Letteri, "The sound editors had to craft the vocal performance out of existing dialog from Paul, and we had to animate to that."
 
Man, the music in this movie was such a let down. It sounded like bootleg star wars music.

Its really sad but not unexpected. Giacchino only had 4 weeks and he seems over worked this year.Its hard to be at your best creatively on such a short schedule with no prep. He's been doing too many films lately and I think it shows. He hasn't had time to grow or refine his talent.
 
Not enough talk about the musical score. I wish Giachinno had more time. Star Trek was much more memorable. Saw the movie last night, listened to the album on Spotify today. There's just not enough of an identity for me to grasp.
 
Man, the music in this movie was such a let down. It sounded like bootleg star wars music.

It was fine but unmemorable, especially compared to his Dr. Strange soundtrack. I have no doubt that lack of time was a factor.

For all the crap that Williams got for TFA score, I definitely preferred that score to Rogue One's.
 
I had no issue with Leia being there. As you quickly learn in ANH, she's a hardass and apparently a combat vet.

Shit, I saw this 10 hours ago and I've been thinking about it all day. It was pretty much the young Bones' Lego figurine make believe Star Wars story.
 
Its really sad but not unexpected. Giacchino only had 4 weeks and he seems over worked this year.Its hard to be at your best creatively on such a short schedule with no prep. He's been doing too many films lately and I think it shows. He hasn't had time to grow or refine his talent.

He's also not nearly as strong at the leitmotif style of scoring we're all used to with Star Wars, at least not in his film work, which is actually fairly perplexing because he's great at it in his previous television scores, but just doesn't do it nearly as well in film.
 
Not enough talk about the musical score. I wish Giachinno had more time. Star Trek was much more memorable. Saw the movie last night, listened to the album on Spotify today. There's just not enough of an identity for me to grasp.

I found it on par with his work on Star Trek and previous films, mainly it being forgettable crap used to fill in the background.
 
Its really sad but not unexpected. Giacchino only had 4 weeks and he seems over worked this year.Its hard to be at your best creatively on such a short schedule with no prep. He's been doing too many films lately and I think it shows. He hasn't had time to grow or refine his talent.

I had no idea he only had 4 weeks. Such a short amount of time for Star Wars. That sucks

It was fine but unmemorable, especially compared to his Dr. Strange soundtrack. I have no doubt that lack of time was a factor.

For all the crap that Williams got for TFA score, I definitely preferred that score to Rogue One's.

Yeah TFA's score was meh but it was much better
 
He's also not nearly as strong at the leitmotif style of scoring we're all used to with Star Wars.

True but I do think more time would have helped. His 2009 Star Trek score is fantastic. The main theme is clear, the bad guy theme is fun, and there is a general quality to the entire score. This score is muddier, the themes less memorable or otherwise problematic, and overall kind of off the mark.
 
the cg for both leia and tarkin was the best ive ever seen.
Yeah it's getting shit on here way more than deserved imo. My wife isn't a massive Star Wars fan so she didn't recognize Cushing. She didn't realize it was CGI. Before you say she just isn't observant, she immediately was taken aback seeing Leia. She did also notice the weird neck of Vader's mask.

So whoever said above that kids seeing this will be dumbfounded as to why one character is a "cartoon"... Nah, that is probably a non issue.

Don't forget this is a gaming forum.
 
He's also not nearly as strong at the leitmotif style of scoring we're all used to with Star Wars, at least not in his film work, which is actually fairly perplexing because he's great at it in his previous television scores, but just doesn't do it nearly as well in film.

Given his Star Trek scores and TV, I disagree. I think in this case, it was mainly from time constraints if anything.
 
True but I do think more time would have helped. His 2009 Star Trek score is fantastic. The main theme is clear, the bad guy theme is fun, and there is a general quality to the entire score. This score is muddier, the themes less memorable or otherwise problematic, and overall kind of off the mark.

Aside from the time factor, I wonder if there wasn't a real clear direction on the score. R1 breaks with so many established Star Wars filmic conventions I wonder if Edwards/Gilroy/whoever distinctly wanted to move away from something more thematic.
 
Holy freakin Jesus. Just came back to see it, and WOW. Its just amazing! I just cant put a negative thing to put on this movie. Perhaps the first 30 minutes where you have to learn these new caracters, but holly molly, it was a sweet roller coaster ride! How the ending stick with the beginning of New Hope, Darth Vader!!! The ending battle, man it was something, Tarkin even if you saw it was CGI, it was really cool! And just wow, bang, all the caracters you saw, well, they die!

It was for me way more entertaining than VII, it was feeling less empty? I just loved it! One movie i cant wait to buy to put it with my first 3 original.

A good 9/10 !
 
Aside from the time factor, I wonder if there wasn't a real clear direction on the score. R1 breaks with so many established Star Wars filmic conventions I wonder if Edwards/Gilroy/whoever distinctly wanted to move away from something more thematic.

If I had to guess I would say it is the opposite. Desplat was probably fired because his music wasn't Star Wars enough. Given his general style, how he followed up HP after John Williams, and his work on Godzilla with Edwards. Although this score is clearly a Giacchino score and not a John Williams score, it uses the same approach of leitmotif and very similar orchestral colors. The score wants to be a traditional Star Wars score but is just not up to that quality. I don't think its that bad though and Giacchino probably has better Star Wars music in him if he ever has another opportunity.
 
I saw a webm of Leia on /co/ earlier and I was stunned now that I could see it again how convincing it is up until the closeup. When they hand her the plans and you see her from the side, she looks totally real, 100%. It's only when the camera zooms in and she says "Hope" that you can tell something is up.
 
Aside from the time factor, I wonder if there wasn't a real clear direction on the score. R1 breaks with so many established Star Wars filmic conventions I wonder if Edwards/Gilroy/whoever distinctly wanted to move away from something more thematic.
They definitely seemed to go out of their way not to use any of the classic motifs verbatim. Changed at least a note or two every time. Fine, but they also failed to establish their own identity. So while not "bad" the score definitely felt a little cheap and unremarkable. Almost would have been better off doing some staight ripoffs of OT tracks in the end, which is unfortunate.
 
I liked the score. It's using the bones of Star Wars and putting different meat on it. It's Star Wars, but two steps to the left. Which causes a disconnect, definitely. When the Rogue One title card comes up and you get those first two notes, you absolutely expect the rest of Luke's Theme to kick in. But it doesn't, it goes somewhere completely different. Shit is jarring.

Yeah, there's a lot of Giacchino busywork in here, too. But I like that stuff. He's good at the driving percussive shit.

I feel like both Jyn's Theme/Hope Theme, and the Baze/Chirrut Theme, are two sides of the same coin (both of which have a similarity to Across the Stars), and Krennic's Theme fits pretty solidly with the original Imperial Motif (which FINALLY came back for this movie, following a landing approach that is right up there with the Emperor's landing on the Death Star in terms of sinister bombast). In fact, on the For Your Consideration version of the soundtrack, there's a cue not on the official OST that makes Krennic's theme sound like something that came straight outta Indiana Jones & the Last Crusade.

I also really like his decision not to score Vader's rampage with some variation on The Imperial March, but to score it as gothic horror, all string stabs and horns screeching with a choir going apeshit.

Also, the choice (which he's made before) to score much of the climactic action to something closer to an elegy than typical action score. A lot of why LOST ended up packing the punch it did, emotionally, was because of those decisions, and he does the same thing here on "Your Father Would Be Proud of You"

I think he actually cranked out a score (in FOUR WEEKS, no less) that manages to have a lot in common with Williams' work in Star Wars without actually relying on those melodies much more than sparingly.

I really like it. But I also think people's familiarity with him is starting to hurt opinion of his work, too.
 
Yeah it's getting shit on here way more than deserved imo. My wife isn't a massive Star Wars fan so she didn't recognize Cushing. She didn't realize it was CGI. Before you say she just isn't observant, she immediately was taken aback seeing Leia. She did also notice the weird neck of Vader's mask.

So whoever said above that kids seeing this will be dumbfounded as to why one character is a "cartoon"... Nah, that is probably a non issue.

Don't forget this is a gaming forum.

Had a similar experience. Saw it for the second time with my mom and sister, both casual Star Wars fans. Mom thought the CGI on Tarkin was incredible, Sis didn't realize it was CGI.
Both thought Leia was terrifying. Apparently they thought her eyes looked too dead and something was wrong with her cheeks.

Meanwhile I'm not a giant fan of Tarkin's CG (looks fine in scenes where he's not with another person) and thought Leia looked great.

Either way, we've a loooong, long way from the Clutch Cargo-eqsue look of LBJ in Forrest Gump and I'm 100% okay with that.
 
just got back from the theaters, wow what a great film!

Ended up liking the cast a lot more then I thought I would, the trailers really don't do this film any justice, also the scope and scale of this movie continues to make TFA look so painfully dull and small, so glad this movie turned out the way it did.

Mustafar castle/vader bacta tank was amazing! Seeing Coruscant in the background of the flashbacks were really cool I hear the book that fleshes Krennic is worth a read, anyone read it yet? Seeing Bail Organa again was awesome too!!

But the biggest surprise was how well Tarkin looked and animated. I'm see a lot of people/junk articles complain about it online 'it looks like a ps2 cutscene' and all that hyperbole, they seriously don't understand how much of a game changer this is. ILM did this all without the luxury of being able to sit down Peter Cushing for some scan sessions, it looked simply amazing!

To the people who are complaining about the digital Tarkin and Leia, do the obvious stop motion walkers in the OT ruin the films for you?
 
So I've been thinking. Everything in the movie ties up very neatly at the end, and they kill off everyone for the mission while giving them all a moment to "shine" even when they haven't really developed them enough. But there's one thing that really seems to stick out narratively. What is the narrative purpose for Jyn's crystal heirloom? Her mother gives it to her and tells her to "trust in the force", she carries it all her life, and even explains at one point that they're lightsaber cores for the Jedi of old. Yet, after referencing it and giving it a ton of focus for 2/3 of the movie, there's never any payoff. It's the Chekhov's gun that stays holstered and doesn't get used. Kinda weird.
 
Can I just reiterate that despite my criticisms of the film that I LOVED it and plan on re-watching ASAP. The thing about this movie is how much it makes me FEEL, as I said the characterizations were hella weak for a SW film, and yet when they all started biting the dust that shit hit me hard and good. Whenever I think about Jyn my eyes start to get watery when you realize that she had a HARD life, she never really caught a fucking break, not once. She couldn't even get the chance to talk with her father one last time, he dies before she can really reach him. He can't even tell her he "loves her," before he dies, all he can muster is, "I have so much to tell you." Jeez.

Her and everyone's sacrifices kind of makes me want to punch Luke in the face for being a whiny little bitch in ANH. But, then I calm down and remember how Yoda tore Luke apart in Empire and also how he was being manipulated into killing his own father by a bunch of old wizards he trusted. Still, Rogue One gave me all the correct feels and emotions that memberberries TFA did not. In fact, the only scene that made me want to cry in TFA is that final shot of Luke. Why? Because given the current state of the galaxy it means that him and all the sacrifices he and his friends made ultimately meant nothing. He just looked tired and depressed, like he was carrying the weight and guilt of the world on his shoulders. That shit made me feel something, not anything with Rey or Finn.

So I've been thinking. Everything in the movie ties up very neatly at the end, and they kill off everyone for the mission while giving them all a moment to "shine" even when they haven't really developed them enough. But there's one thing that really seems to stick out narratively. What is the narrative purpose for Jyn's crystal heirloom? Her mother gives it to her and tells her to "trust in the force", she carries it all her life, and even explains at one point that they're lightsaber cores for the Jedi of old. Yet, after referencing it and giving it a ton of focus for 2/3 of the movie, there's never any payoff. It's the Chekhov's gun that stays holstered and doesn't get used. Kinda weird.

I brought this up earlier and I agree with you, it feels like a leftover from an earlier draft. She did briefly touch it and essentially "pray" when they were trying to get cleared to land at Scarif base but then we never see it again.
 
So I've been thinking. Everything in the movie ties up very neatly at the end, and they kill off everyone for the mission while giving them all a moment to "shine" even when they haven't really developed them enough. But there's one thing that really seems to stick out narratively. What is the narrative purpose for Jyn's crystal heirloom? Her mother gives it to her and tells her to "trust in the force", she carries it all her life, and even explains at one point that they're lightsaber cores for the Jedi of old. Yet, after referencing it and giving it a ton of focus for 2/3 of the movie, there's never any payoff. It's the Chekhov's gun that stays holstered and doesn't get used. Kinda weird.

I think that's for people invested in the expanded cannon. I think in the book it's described that her mother is force sensitive. I could be completely wrong.
 
Just got back, absolutely loved it. A few strange bits here and there but overall...Man, they pulled it off.

First thing we did when we got home was to watch the opening scene of ANH. Amazing how perfectly Rogue One transitions into it.

Really great characters all around, too. SAS they only have one movie but they sure as hell nailed it.
 
Well, finally came back from seeing it. Quick thoughts before I get back home.

Better characters: TFA. Better story: Rogue One

CGI Tarkin didn't look that bad tbh. You guys made it out to be like something out of a video game, but he looked pretty lifelike onscreen. His head kept doing some kind of bounce when he talked which made me realize it was CG.

Third act is phenomenal.

Baze/Chirrut are the OTP of the century.

This is probably the most political SW movie yet. Saw's forces against the stormtroopers on Jedha might as well have been Syria/Iraq footage.

Vader sounded more regal than ever. Had a weird reading on one of the lines, can't remember which one.

The Mon Calamari kick ass.

I need to rewatch ANH as soon as I get home. But I can already tell this movie makes the stakes for Luke and rebels' trench run on the Death Star even higher.

I saw a leak of Vader's last scene online, but seeing it onscreen made me actually gasp.

Overall, this is everything I wanted out of a new SW flick. Easily the best one since Empire. And here's my ranking because everyone loves those.

1. ANH
2. ESB
3. Rogue One
4. ROTJ
5. TFA
6-8. Who gives a fuck
 
I thought Tarkin looked great, but had maybe just a little bit too much screen time. The more you saw him, the less convincing he looked.

I didn't think Leia's was nearly as good, but I still loved that scene. Just something about seeing/hearing ANH-era Leia again, I can't stop thinking about it.
 
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