RO imo was clear as hell. It's two things. People not being die hards and not knowing exactly who Jimmy Smits character was. Also Die hard fans potentially looking too deep into what he said.
Some people thought he was talking about about Ahsoka.
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RO imo was clear as hell. It's two things. People not being die hards and not knowing exactly who Jimmy Smits character was. Also Die hard fans potentially looking too deep into what he said.
Some people thought he was talking about about Ahsoka.
Bobby Roberts
Banned
Who needs to be good at lying when you don't give a fuck if the person you're lying to believes you.
And later even when she DOES give a fuck - she's still lying to them.
I don't think it's particularly unclear at all. It's kinda baffling how many people are getting confused by simple shit, and I think more than anything it's a matter of people with a head full of mostly-pointless continuity working too hard to spot connections that aren't there and getting tripped up when they realize they're guessing wrong.
That's not the movie's fault, really. Movie can't be held responsible for zealous fans jumping at shadows.
PushTheButtonMax
Banned
Now that you mention it, I bet that's a great way to come up with a musical pattern when you've got almost no time to write a score.
Conkerkid11
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That was damn good. Just read a post somewhere after seeing it too, pointing out that it was basically just covering up a plot hole George Lucas introduced by the death star even having such a dumb weak point to begin with. Didn't even consider that at the time. Makes it so much better.
Dunno how I'd rank it though. Absolutely better than The Force Awakens, that's for sure.
Dunno how I'd rank it though. Absolutely better than The Force Awakens, that's for sure.
Is she really? When does the Han story stuff take place? She was imprisoned after all. Who knows, maybe she conveniently got mixed up with Han and all his shenanigans?
HP_Wuvcraft
Banned
It was a very clever lead in to Rey's parents.
The Technomancer
card-carrying scientician
Okay so one point of confusion: in ANH, Leia sends the message down to Obi Wan because they just happen to be above Tatooine when Vader catches up right?
Why does this movie make it seem like getting him involved was the plan all along? Because that's a weird plan. Why even mention him?
Why does this movie make it seem like getting him involved was the plan all along? Because that's a weird plan. Why even mention him?
Killer Queen
Banned
Still can't believe that waste of time ever got made.
haaaa....
CrichtonKicks
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That's a good point- did the movie ever ever give his full name and relationship to Leia? ROTS was over 10 years ago and I don't know that most casual watchers would necessarily remember him.
I did not expect everyone to die.
I've been saying that I've wanted a Star Wars game about an Old Republic-Imperial Agent with gameplay like MGSV for a while now and after watching this I feel a lot closer to that reality. So fuck yes I'd consider something in the same vein about an Alliance spy a damn good consolation prize. Imperial Agents are still more interesting I feel, but work in a blending-in system inspired by Hitman and the Jedha sequence and I'm content.
I've been saying that I've wanted a Star Wars game about an Old Republic-Imperial Agent with gameplay like MGSV for a while now and after watching this I feel a lot closer to that reality. So fuck yes I'd consider something in the same vein about an Alliance spy a damn good consolation prize. Imperial Agents are still more interesting I feel, but work in a blending-in system inspired by Hitman and the Jedha sequence and I'm content.
Because that WAS the plan all along. She was going to Tatooine to pick him up and bring him to Yavin IV.
People forget that Kenobi..Hell all Jedi were generals in the clone wars and they can tap into the force. That's an advantage anyone would want.
Bobby Roberts
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Because it was the plan all along. Her plan was to pick him up from Tatooine on the way to Alderaan.
"My ship has come under attack and my mission to bring you to Alderaan has failed."
It was always part of the plan. She specifically says in her hologram to Ben that her mission to bring him to Alderaan has failed.
Why mention Obi-Wan? Because Bail figures that if they need someone to lead them against the Death Star, Obi-Wan is the one to do it. Why do you think Leia was out there in ANH in the first place? She was there to pick him up and recruit him back into the fight.
The Technomancer
card-carrying scientician
Had he lived or if plans had gone as they were meant to, Obi-wan would have been a general-esque figure in the rebellion and probably great for morality too. Leia was meant to pick up Obi-wan but when Vader caught up to them she entrusted R2 to deliver the message manually since she couldn't get to him.
Vincent Alexander
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Of course she cares if she is believed. Why wouldn't she care about being believed, which could set her free and let her keep doing her mission?
smokeymicpot
Beat EviLore at pool.
It wasn't bad but wasn't great. It was decent.
No.
The Han film is years prior to this. There won't be a sequel. If Felicity has one in her contract, it's probably just because at some point Jyn was supposed to survive. But she's dead now.
Bobby Roberts
Banned
If she cared about being believed her people wouldn't immediately begin raining blaster fire on whoever came in the door.
She doesn't give a fuck about being believed. Never did. She cares about stalling for time so that the plans get to Ben and Ben gets to Alderaan.
When she DOES care about being believed, she delivers a convincing lie, which doesn't matter because the Empire was going to blow up Alderaan no matter what.
(I swear I did this last night, didn't I?)
The young Tony Stark CGI worked way, way, way better than the CGI Leia & Tarkin IMO, which is sad because these characters are very integral to the story so getting them to look right should have been a major priority. On the other hand, if they goofed hard on young Tony Stark... nobody would have really cared as they move on from it really fast.
There are a few shots where the lighting is just so where Tarkin looked really good. Almost like he was really there in the flesh. But those were in the minority for me... it stood out really bad. I had a hard time focusing on what he was saying because I just kept looking at the effect.
I just hope that with future viewings I won't find it as distracting...
Also, I am totally in favor of revising these effects in the future for the blu-ray or whatever if they can devote the money to it. It would be a huge benefit if they could tighten it up. I just wonder how up for it Disney is, because while Lucas has a long history of such things, I'm not sure if the Disney-owned Lucasfilm still has the tinkering bug in them to go back and revise things that may need it.
Digital-Hero
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Peter Cushing CG was overused and Leia worked well for me. Tarkin CG would have been much better as a video transmission within the story. They could have made him arrive on the Death Star at the end.
because both she and Vader know she's full of shit. She's not really lying for herself, but for the rebellion. She lies about the rebel base being on Dantioone and even Tarkin finds that fishy. So he has Alderaan blown up because it's a more visible planet in regards to the Galaxy.
Bobby Roberts
Banned
I wonder why they saw the need to digitally recreate the entire face as opposed to basically doing digital makeup on the stand-ins and leaving their mouths alone. The biggest problem with Tarkin & Leia is that their mouths don't look right. You had the actors on set saying the dialog - why not leave that footage in, and build the rest of the head around that?
Chirrut's midichlorian count wasn't high enough to have him communicate with the Force like a Jedi. So he is just sensitive to it at a smaller level.
Chirrut is force-sensitive in the same way that Leia is. Force-sensitive people can feel the force and let it guide them, but only Jedi have the power to manipulate it.
The third act won me over as a whole but the first half or so of the movie isn't very well done outside of some gorgeous shots.
I enjoyed the aerial combat a whole lot more this time compared to TFA
The third act was the best act to me because it had great ground and space combat. I thought it was all portrayed pretty well, and I'll admit I love Ep 4 because of the Death Star attack and I loved the Battle of Endor in space.
Visually, the movie is great. I'll never fault this movie on its looks.
Digital-Hero
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Didn't he have a shocked reaction when he reached the panel though? He was surprised himself.
The Technomancer
card-carrying scientician
The third act was very well paced for an extended set of action sequences, but did anyone else find the actual space combat weirdly...inert? It was honestly strange, especially compared to movies from almost 40 years ago
I'd be pretty surprised if I made it that far too.
Vincent Alexander
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I suppose. It just seems odd that when people talk about the disconnect between the end of Rogue One and opening dialogue with Leia in A New Hope, this point of her not caring gets brought up. I think there is too much effort being put on connecting these two things that are just awkward no matter how you look at it.
I liked it, but it was inert in that none of the big ships moved or fired at each other...unless you count the star destroyer losing power and being pushed into another ship. It made all the large ships come off like scenery.
I feel like this flies in the face of how the force was depicted in TFA though, where Rey learns to manipulate the force basically just by trying. Then again, I really hated that interpretation and felt that TFA wasn't consistent with the rest of the franchise when it came to force sensitives.
Bobby Roberts
Banned
Heeeellll no.
But that's the thing - there's no effort at all. She's doing the exact same shit. It's what she's always been doing. She's been doing it since 1977. Whether this movie exists or not, she's lying through her teeth and not giving a fuck about doing it for the sake of buying time for Artoo.
What's weird is that people think the end of this movie somehow fundamentally changes what happened on the Tantive. It doesn't. It superficially changes the level of Leia's don't-give-a-fuckitude. That's all.
Yeah, the space combat felt kinda slow compared to the OT's (and I guess PT's). It didn't bother me, but I did notice it.
CreepingFear
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There is no evidence for this. Maybe the force was on his side in that moment just like it was when Han shot Vader and cleared the way for Luke to blow up the Death Star, but I don't believe we saw any evidence that he was actually force sensitive.
That Vader cape snafu was still bad in live action. Maybe it was because I had seen it before but it being too closed was actually quite distracting for me. I mean that last scene was boss as hell. But the part where he was talking to Krennic in the lava factory, it looked pretty bad.
Forget that, Rian's gonna fix all that shit.
Maybe he did, maybe he didn't.
The Force works in mysterious ways.
The Technomancer
card-carrying scientician
Yeah its not just that its slow, slow space combat can work, its that it was slow but felt like it should be faster
Like I said, more strange than anything else
That's what we tell ourselves, anyway.
Man, I hope you're right.
No way lol. That shit was awesome! It might have felt inert because it was pulled out more than in the other movies to show the planet in the background.
I think Edwards was more interested in giving a sense of scale whereas the OT keeps the camera very tight to show a sense of speed. However, this movies combat definitely didn't feel inert to me.
Stuff like the trench run is practically sitting on the X-wing wing so you feel that canyon zipping by,
What plot points didn't make sense?
Raging Spaniard
If they are Dutch, upright and breathing they are more racist than your favorite player
Thats funny, to me since day 1 I assumed everyone would die, it was the only way making the movie made any sense to me.
Bobby Roberts
Banned
You guys doubting Rian Johnson.
silliness.
silliness.
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