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[Dhruv_hanom]

Meanwhile, in 2016 this CG monstrosity was on Hawaii 5-0 recently:

I mean, I understand the original production issues. But since it's 2016 and they're slightly changing the canon anyway, I'd either like to see a more "diverse" Empire or some justification for the fact that all the aliens seem to just accept being treated as second class citizens in less than 2 decades of Palpatine's rule.

(Or why women aren't allowed to join the military lol)

Oh Dr. Hawk you're comparing the CG of a feature film to that of a TV series. For me, tarkin's CG illusion was apparent when he started moving if they'd just shown his reflection then i wouldn't have been able to tell if it was cg or not. Leia on the other hand was a lot more jarring for me personally. Give it a few more years and we should have indistinguishable CG people.

I agee, i'd like to see a more diverse empire, maybe that'll start with benicio del toro's character in EP8

Young Anthony Hopkins in Westworld was pretty good, too.

That wasn't CG was it?

 

[WadiumArcadium]

also, this one 'Director'(?) guy from the Death Star conference room

That's Yularen from The Clone Wars.

 

[Number_6]

The moment where the lack of any relationship building between the characters stuck out the most to me was when machine gun guy (I can't even remember half the characters names...) called Jyn "little sister". That was not earned in the fucking slightest. I think they spoke 2 sentences to each other the whole movie?

I thought that he and Chirrut were both from that Force church, so maybe that's how they talk?

I guess we agree then? Yes the characters should be fleshed out more.



Then what was Galen's Backstory? Or Bodhi's? I keep asking and I keep getting the same thing "Oh he betrayed the Empire because it's Evil" which isn't backstory.

Also why are you being so hostile? it's a movie, is it not allowed to be criticized

Their backstories were implicit and should have been somewhat obvious to anybody that was paying attention. They have also been explained multiple times in this thread. You just refuse to accept it, although such things are subjective, so I guess that's okay.

Backstory to mean just means I know about this character, where they came from and why. This can be a flashback, a character reading out their past actions from a dossier, someone mentioning having met them before and what happened, or another character informing them about the person in question.

Backstory again is just one part, the lack of character growth and the Zero to flimsy motivations for others and a lack of a sense of camaraderie amongst everyone too.

Oh, you're one of those that needs everything explicitly explained, like, through expository dialogue or flashbacks. Go watch a Nolan flick. He lives for that shit.

I can agree with this. Fury Road does just the right amount of everything.

Yet here we are, another swerve. I agree that Fury Road does the right amount of everything. I'm surprised that you do.

Allow me to role-play a bit...

What is Furiousa's backstory? No, not where she came from and not her job, that's not good enough! Why did she turn against Immortan Joe and help those women? Don't tell me she betrayed him because he's evil, that isn't a backstory! We need a flashback, or a dossier...something!

 

[Brakke]

Also shout out to OP for trying to make a spoiler bar-free OT but it looks like the reviews thread is just what OTs usually are and this is the spoiler thread.

We have two threads actively discussing the full movie as usual.

 

[Forkball]

[/B]

admiral Ozzel says hello.

also, this one 'Director'(?) guy from the Death Star conference room

not to forget agent Kallus (Rebels) epic chops

he even has a helmet specifically designed to protect his glorious facial hair!


also, admiral Konstantine (again, from Rebels)

Those are mustaches and mutton chops, not beards. And it can be explained with "It was the 70s." I did chuckle a bit at the wonderfully dated mustaches some of the X-Wing pilots had in Rogue One.

 

[Fliesen]

That's Yularen from The Clone Wars.

is it? cool!

 

[Dhruv_hanom]

Allow me to role-play a bit...

What is Furiousa's backstory? No, not where she came from and not her job, that's not good enough! Why did she turn against Immortan Joe and help those women? Don't tell me she betrayed him because he's evil, that isn't a backstory! We need a flashback, or a dossier...something!

We need a feature film to explain and flesh the other feature film. It's the only option! \s

 

[Jumeira]

Wasn't there a CG tarkin in Ep 3? I swear I saw him at the end near Sidious and Vader

 

[Jibbed]

Wasn't there a CG tarkin in Ep 3? I swear I saw him at the end near Sidious and Vader

Nah, shitty prosthetic on a lookalike.

 

[Plasma]

After seeing it yesterday all I want now is a Vader spin-off film, that end scene was just amazing.

 

[Forkball]

Nah, shitty prosthetic on a lookalike.

Whoa, I always thought he was CGI, but after looking it up it was indeed a dude in makeup.

WHERE ARE THE TARKIN CGI HATERS NOW?

Also Fake Tarkin has been in more Star Wars films than Peter Cushing.

 

[Jumeira]

Nah, shitty prosthetic on a lookalike.

Good god, had no idea.

 

[_Ryo_]

Oh Dr. Hawk you're comparing the CG of a feature film to that of a TV series. For me, tarkin's CG illusion was apparent when he started moving if they'd just shown his reflection then i wouldn't have been able to tell if it was cg or not. Leia on the other hand was a lot more jarring for me personally. Give it a few more years and we should have indistinguishable CG people.

I agee, i'd like to see a more diverse empire, maybe that'll start with benicio del toro's character in EP8


That wasn't CG was it?

99% certain that it was CGI.

 

[Xisiqomelir]

Not really since they are send to the Nebulon Frigate, put on a USB Stick and handed to the Rebel Soldiers on the Tantive IV

Yes, this is what we see from our perspective.

 

[Fliesen]

99% certain that it was CGI.

of course it was CG

i guess 'de-aging' works a lot more convincingly, because they have the same actor with the same facial features doing the mo-cap and digitize and use as a starting point, instead of having to shape the face from the ground-up, matching it to another actor's mo-cap.

I found young Hank Pym to be rather convincingly done as well.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uaz6nxyQA28

 

[GAMEPROFF]

Yes, this is what we see from our perspective.

Vader is right there slaughtering the guy who gives the USB Stick to the people on the Tantive IV

 

[Shaanyboi]

It bothers me to see people say Jyn's "change of heart" came too abruptly. She realized what her father sacrificed to give her and rebels hope (it was a touching moment), and she had an opportunity to complete her father's revenge and clear his name. Why would she turn her back on the rebels?

I don't think it really matters if she believes in the Rebellion or not. For the first time ever, she finally understands why her dad left her behind. With his death, she sets out to ensure that that time spent apart wasn't totally meaningless. Otherwise, she grew up without her father and mother for nothing.

 

[cyberheater]

That bit when Vader boarded the ship was so badass. Lots of awesome moments in this movie.

 

[Forkball]

I liked how the Death Star scientists had their own logo. Who even thinks that up? I mean it was well-designed for sure, but why make one? Who made that decision? Was it Krennig/Krennich/Krennik? We need a movie explaining it.

DEATH ONE COMING CHRISTMAS 2019

 

[Razgriz-Specter]

2) I still don't understand why anyone would willingly work for the Empire. Or alternatively, why aren't more people defecting. The more I learn about the world through these new movies, the less it makes sense because at some point making an evil super weapon and killing civilians has to send up some warning signs to the most average person.

Read or better yet get the audio book of Lost Stars.

 

[GAMEPROFF]

I liked how the Death Star scientists had their own logo. Who even thinks that up? I mean it was well-designed for sure, but why make one? Who made that decision? Was it Krennig/Krennich/Krennik? We need a movie explaining it.

DEATH ONE COMING CHRISTMAS 2019

I think I spotted right that Logo in A New Hope on the screen where they show the planets blow up... Not sure but I think it was the same.

 

[Owari]

So this movie didn't have a crawl, right? Then they couldn't fit all the exposition in the beginning without it feeling rushed. Sounds like it was a mistake nixing the crawl.

 

[bill0527]

So this movie didn't have a crawl, right? Then they couldn't fit all the exposition in the beginning without it feeling rushed. Sounds like it was a mistake nixing the crawl.

I also think it was a mistake getting read of the crawl.

Why bother with "A long time ago, in a galaxy far far away" if you're not going to do the crawl.

 

[Succinct Verbosity]

This movie has a terrible opening, but it ends extremely strongly. I think I prefer TFA for feeling a bit more like Star Wars, but Rogue One gave a distinct feeling of self... That's essential for a spin off.

 

[jelly]

So this movie didn't have a crawl, right? Then they couldn't fit all the exposition in the beginning without it feeling rushed. Sounds like it was a mistake nixing the crawl.

The crawl honestly sucks in the main films anyway except a New Hope. I'm glad they didn't use it for Rogue One and other spin offs, just let me settle in.

Would a crawl saying Galen Erso escaped the Empire with his family after realising what his work was leading to made it better, I don't think so. We have brains right. Can we just learn as the film goes on. I echo other statements about exposition, let's not go to awful Nolan levels. Rogue One wasn't hard to grasp, link the dots and fill in the gaps with imagination based on what is presented.

 

[Prototype]

How did Jyn and what's his face get down from the tower After the Death Star shot Scarif? One scene they are up at the top of it, next they are on the beach and the explosion still hasn't reached them.
It's a little things but I couldn't help but be bugged by it.

 

[Sanctuary]

LOL. As not quite up to par James Earl Jones is in this film, at least it wasn't the original actor.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KQFho0_G1VI

Vader would have been such a clown if they had left the Dark Helmet performance in.

I don't think it really matters if she believes in the Rebellion or not. For the first time ever, she finally understands why her dad left her behind. With his death, she sets out to ensure that that time spent apart wasn't totally meaningless. Otherwise, she grew up without her father and mother for nothing.

Even if she hadn't done anything, it still wasn't "for nothing". Her involvement, or lack of wouldn't have changed that.

I liked when the one Star Destroyer sliced the other one like a bigass space knife. That was rad.

When that happened, I said to my friend "When one cake cutter loves another very much..."

 

[TarpitCarnivore]

How did Jyn and what's his face get down from the tower After the Death Star shot Scarif? One scene they are up at the top of it, next they are on the beach and the explosion still hasn't reached them.
It's a little things but I couldn't help but be bugged by it.

They took an elevator, you know, the one you see being used a few scenes earlier?

The shot from the death star also over shot the base. The main battle is also away from the coms tower

 

[Lord of Castamere]

Does someone have to get paid if you cgi them? Like does the family get proportional money as if they were real? Does the cgi have to pay taxes?

 

[TangoAlphaLima]

Does someone have to get paid if you cgi them? Like does the family get proportional money as if they were real? Does the cgi have to pay taxes?

I'm sure Carrie Fisher got something for this film. And I saw Peter Cushing's name in the end credits, so my guess is his estate got paid for the use of his likeness as well.

 

[jond76]

So this movie didn't have a crawl, right? Then they couldn't fit all the exposition in the beginning without it feeling rushed. Sounds like it was a mistake nixing the crawl.

They said they made the decision that the crawl would be exclusive to the saga films. The Skywalker story.

None of the side stories will have a crawl.

 

[Fliesen]

They took an elevator, you know, the one you see being used a few scenes earlier?

The shot from the death star also over shot the base. The main battle is also away from the coms tower

the shot from the death star goes right through the dish but impacts way off the actual site.

I wonder if that's intentional - maybe they wanted to preserve the possibility of covering this up , saying the installation was destroyed by a tsunami created by an underwater earthquake or something

or they just wanted to headshot the dish at that angle because it looked super cool.

 

[RedAssedApe]

Man the cg Tarkin looks pretty out of place. Especially next to Mendolson.

 

[SArcher]

Does someone have to get paid if you cgi them? Like does the family get proportional money as if they were real? Does the cgi have to pay taxes?

The Star Wars actors probably signed away their likeness so no.

 

[El Topo]

I'm sure Carrie Fisher got something for this film. And I saw Peter Cushing's name in the end credits, so my guess is his estate got paid for the use of his likeness as well.

His estate was contacted and Joyce Broughton attended the London premier. She did not talk about whatever deal was struck though.
http://variety.com/2016/film/news/rogue-one-peter-cushing-digital-resurrection-cgi-1201943759/

 

[boiled goose]

Movie was meh. B- for me.

Beautiful except for bad cg mind monster and tarkin.

Too many undeveloped characters that you dont care about and dont even appear enough in the movie. Vader had so much presence, they should have used him more.

Action was beautiful, but the action itself was super generic and meh. No sense of stakes even with the high stakes.

Gonna be hard to rewatch.

I don't Know why they showed cgi tarkin so much. It just didn't look good enough. Show him through a reflection, or a hologram, or with some shadows. Or heck just cast a close enough look alike actor.

 

[Deleted member 752119]

Loved it. Would probably put it third behind ESB and TFA.

 

[Sanctuary]

Loved it. Would probably put it third behind ESB and TFA.

You would seriously put this ahead of the original version of The Force Awakens?

Movie was meh. B- for me.

Beautiful except for bad cg mind monster and tarkin.

Too many undeveloped characters that you dont care about and dont even appear enough in the movie. Vader had so much presence, they should have used him more.

Action was beautiful, but the action itself was super generic and meh. No sense of stakes even with the high stakes.

Gonna be hard to rewatch.

I don't Know why they showed cgi tarkin so much. It just didn't look good enough. Show him through a reflection, or a hologram, or with some shadows. Or heck just cast a close enough look alike actor.

The tentacle rape monster was dumb, but I actually had the most issue with the Calamari. I felt they were even worse than Tarkin, by quite a bit.

This article mostly nails it I think.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/erikkai...oblems-with-star-wars-rogue-one/#5eebd1a27b09

 

[Metalmarc]

Did, they maybe use a sculpture from 2011, as a reference point for Rogue One Tarkin? Sure Looks like it.

Found on a gizmodo.au article from 2011

http://www.gizmodo.com.au/2011/05/grand-moff-tarkin-looks-amazing-in-2011/

 

[RyanW]

You would seriously put this ahead of the original version of The Force Awakens?



The tentacle rape monster was dumb, but I actually had the most issue with the Calamari. I felt they were even worse than Tarkin, by quite a bit.

What problem did you have because those weren't CG

 

[Sanctuary]

What problem did you have because those weren't CG

What? They were blatantly CGI. Unless they just decided to go for this weird "practical effect" outfit that mimicked CGI perfectly...

 

[RyanW]

What? They were blatantly CGI. Unless they just decided to go for this weird "practical effect" outfit that mimicked CGI perfectly...

I mean unless they took the time to apply CG to BTS stuff...

 

[TangoAlphaLima]

The Star Wars actors probably signed away their likeness so no.

The OT actors definitely did with respect to all the merchandising, but that's mostly because that kind of thing didn't really exist before Star Wars.

My guess is the SAG Union would lose their shit if actors aren't compensated when their likeness is used in CG for new movies they weren't under contract for.

Heck, Crispin Glover won a lawsuit for compensation when BttF 2 used his clips from BttF 1, and that was just existing footage.

 

[bill0527]

What? They were blatantly CGI. Unless they just decided to go for this weird "practical effect" outfit that mimicked CGI perfectly...

I think once you start digging into the BTS stuff and reading up in the production, you're going to be shocked at the amount of practical effects used in Rogue One. Kevin Smith was talking about it on his podcast. They also shot everything on location. Scarif is an actual place.

 

[Sanctuary]

I mean unless they took the time to apply CG to BTS stuff...

I've seen the press shots, but that doesn't mean anything aside from the fact that they used actual props as well. Too many of the movements of the Calamari on the ships looked completely fake, and not in an animatronic kind of way. Maybe there was just a problem with the interior of the ships and the green screen, but they were decidedly not "realistic" looking. Three of the people that I went to see it with also commented on them.

I think once you start digging into the BTS stuff and reading up in the production, you're going to be shocked at the amount of practical effects used in Rogue One. Kevin Smith was talking about it on his podcast. They also shot everything on location. Scarif is an actual place.

I don't know if I'll actually be shocked, because most things looked like on location, or huge models or sets to me. Some things just stood out really bad in comparison.

 

[Jumeira]

Leia was scary when he started speaking, like a Geisha doll. Really let down with ILM as they're consistently spectacular. IMO planet of the apes does a tremendous job of CG animation...I suppose that is WETA?

 

[Remmy2112]

OH, and why did the Rebels decide to jump in on Scarif? They went from, "We can't help you" to "GO GO GO" so quickly. Maybe I wasn't paying attention but I completely missed their motivations for flip flopping and helping Jyn.

I believe the fact that Rogue One already put boots on the ground gave those who wanted to do something but couldn't because of a divided council an excuse to go and do what they wanted. Drawing up plans and going was too daunting for the naysayers, but once R1 was on the ground they had to back them up. Or maybe those who wanted to do something didn't even bother communicating with the naysayers and just acted under their own authority. Easier to seek forgiveness than ask for permission.

 

[BronsonLee]

Rogue One = Leroy Jenkins

 

[Boem]

The Star Wars actors probably signed away their likeness so no.

As others have mentioned, the Cushing estate was mentioned in the credits so I imagine they received some sort of compensation for it.

It's only logical really - Lucasfilm had to be aware this way of resurrecting long dead actors would raise numerous ethical issues in discussions and articles. The last thing they needed was an article popping up about the Cushing estate being angry about Peter Cushing's likeness being used without permission (not to mention possible lawsuits that could result from that). Companies like Lucasfilm and Disney are rich and clever enough to cover their bases against that sort of thing in advance.

I wouldn't be surprised the new group of Star Wars actors like Ridley and Boyega have permission for this kind of resurrection written in their contracts already. It'll be an industry standard soon enough, as weird as it is.

I like the way it was used in the movie but I do admit this technique kind of weirds me out, especially when you imagine where it will be in 10 years time. I'll never be famous in any way but I wouldn't like the idea of my likeness being used years after my death in a movie I'll never know anything about. On the other hand, nobody complains or is weirded out when they use Cushing's likeness in something like the tv cartoons or the comics. It's a weird new thing and I'm curious where it's going to go.

Imagine the scandals when this CG process becomes technologically easier/cheaper/more convincing. There will be videos of Trump-like politicians snorting coke and going on racist rants all over the place, with hardly any way of separating fact from fiction.

 

[Aiustis]

I saw it on a whim. Thought it was quite enjoyable. I'd put it right behind ESB for me. It was a great stand alone and the non Star Wars fan I was with loved it.