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Rogue One: A Star Wars Story |OT| They rebel - SPOILERS
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Wasn't a fan of making the rebel alliance seem like an extremist group willing to do some pretty horrible shit to beat the empire. In original trilogy they were just good guys fighting space nazis not religous extremists fighting the government.
Hell the empire wasn't even bad in rogue one.
Hell the empire wasn't even bad in rogue one.
Fucking loved the film. It didn't have the grand adventure of TFA, but it did get the Wars part right. The trench fights like in ESB, the overwhelming odds, the peoples, finally the real fucking worn in suits and ships. Makes TFA look very Disney comparatively. Star Wars by way of how I played with my model Y-wing against miniature army men as a kid hehe. That rebel fleet suddenly popping out of hyperspace was unexpected for me and gave me total nerdgasm. Amazing. In general I really liked that they focused in on that there's an actual rebellion going on, and gave a face to what is really no more than a backdrop in the OT.
Also really sad Jyn Erso died. Loved her. Lot more than Rey, who was fine, but not as kickass as Felicity.
I have to see it again (after being overwhelmed by TFA initially, the second viewing made me a lot more critical of it), but I think this is equal to the OT for me, maybe even edging out ANH. I admire the editing and whiz-bang of TFA, but it ultimately felt like it didn't really add anything yet to the canon. Rogue One, for as weird as it sounds given that we already knew what was going to happen, felt much more meaningful.
Also really sad Jyn Erso died. Loved her. Lot more than Rey, who was fine, but not as kickass as Felicity.
I have to see it again (after being overwhelmed by TFA initially, the second viewing made me a lot more critical of it), but I think this is equal to the OT for me, maybe even edging out ANH. I admire the editing and whiz-bang of TFA, but it ultimately felt like it didn't really add anything yet to the canon. Rogue One, for as weird as it sounds given that we already knew what was going to happen, felt much more meaningful.
Lifejumper
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Genocide by destroying Jedha wasnt even bad?
It was not great but they made it pretty clear that was the last hold out of some crazy terrorist organization. I dunno made the whole thing seem more grey than traditional star wars stuff.
There's ALWAYS shades of grey during war. Even during WW2, when everyone was fixated on the Nazis being the bad guys, they didn't know that the allied forces did some incredibly shady and reprehensible acts during the war as well.
I really, really liked that they showed the rebel weren't squeaky clean, and that some members of the empire were conflicted and didn't want any part of what they were trying to achieve.
WadiumArcadium
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Which was intentional. Rogue One was supposed to be the Star Wars version of a real war film.
Bobby Roberts
Banned
They obliterated Jedha and everyone in it after robbing it dry.
As a weapons test.
This would be the equivalent of America occupying Mecca for months, sucking up it's most valuable resources to build a hydrogen bomb, and then dropping it on the city to see if it worked right.
The Empire was bad in Rogue One.
That people think they weren't is fascinating as hell.
CloudyTuba
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I feel the same way.
Like how I said Catalyst was a fun read but I knocked points off for it clearly existing as purely supplemental material for R1 as opposed to really being enjoyable as its own thing, R1 also cannot stand on its own legs and exists entirely to service the opening of ANH.
I enjoyed it too but the movie was clearly made to jerk off existing star wars fans.
That's what's great about it. Otherwise, why wouldn't everyone be a rebel?
bob_arctor
Tough_Smooth
I could not believe that last Vader scene. I just couldn't believe it. After all these years, the most badass cinematic villain of all time was finally let loose. I lost my shit, not gonna lie.
Kor of Memory
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Lost Stars, despite being a young adult novel, covers this pretty well. Making you see the Rebels from the side of the imperial citizens and whatnot.
Also, don't forget that Luke in A New Hope was wanting to join the Imperial Academy, and had no issue with that.
Escape Goat
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People elected Trump. Our moral compass is out of whack.
Gabriel_Logan
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Was it genocide?
Parmadillo Marshmallow
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All I want to say is VII made me FEEL. Rogue One did not. I felt nothing the whole time.
And the CGI humans were awful. I can't believe they made the cut.
And the CGI humans were awful. I can't believe they made the cut.
brandonh83
Banned
See they're supposed to be trying to not do the bad things George Lucas would do, and that shit was George Lucas 101.
"Fascinating" is one way to put it.
Lifejumper
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Wasn't Jedha city the capital of the planet? I assume thousands must have lived there.
Cross-Section
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A compilation of Pablo Hidalgo tweets addressing Rogue One questions.
Basically, the ending remained the same even after the reshoots, and he'll talk about the trailer/film discontinuities in a week or so (pending the release of a Breznican-written EW article, most likely)
Basically, the ending remained the same even after the reshoots, and he'll talk about the trailer/film discontinuities in a week or so (pending the release of a Breznican-written EW article, most likely)
firehawk12
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The Empire is basically an America where all minorities are rounded up and completely isolated from any position of power or authority though. Even ethnic humans don't work for the Empire, as depicted in the movies.
Gabriel_Logan
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Oh dear your in for a rough hundred years. I just want a Master and Commander like Star Wars movie. Give me that Disney instead of teen Ham Solo
Bubble Walrus
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I felt violated after watching that. Enough now, Star Wars. Enough.
brandonh83
Banned
Whew and I thought I didn't like it.
bob_arctor
Tough_Smooth
lol
i mean, there's folks who enjoyed RO. if this is what they want, then i hope the next movies satisfy them as much.
but for me, this is just....eh
we'll just see what Ep 8 brings but i think my heyday for loving star wars stuff is behind me.
In a theater for second viewing. It's empty
yeah personally im not seeing this again
Escape Goat
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In a theater for second viewing. It's empty
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Gabriel_Logan
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Huh I thought the exact opposite, Tarkin looked dicey and Leia looked great.
nhlducks35
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When I first saw Tarkin, I was like "The actor's still alive?"
Then about 2 seconds later I was like "Something seems off with his face movements, is he CGI?"
Then about 2 seconds later I was like "Something seems off with his face movements, is he CGI?"
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It's based on Jews, the temple, and the roman empire.
Jedah looks like Masada
There is a concept art that is straight up a paint over of that photo.
So the group of rebels there are trying to preserve the last remnant of the Jedis, while the rest of the rebels have left to fight a more political/military war. You can say they are religious fanatics, but so be it, still makes for an interesting story instead of everything being black and white. Things always being black and white gets boring, and there's hints that this notion that things aren't so simple will play into VII/VIII/IX's story anyway.
Did anyone else laugh out loud at Tarkin? I couldn't believe they were trying to play a CGI character off like that. The bad guy was talking to a video game character seriously.
We're 2 for 2 for new star wars movies with bad cgi video game villains
HomerSimpson-Man
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Yeah, I can't believe how much I love this movie. I cooled off on TFA after seeing it, but with RO I did not, it has pumped me even more. For such relatively short about of time, I ended up loving all the personalities of the characters and conflict, so all that sacrifice by the end of the movie was getting to me. These aren't the super heroes of the Star Wars universe, but the ground troops and soldiers willing to die so that those grand heroes of the rebellion will eventually get it accomplished as they get mostly forgotten in the grand scheme of things. It's so somber with that thought. I just wished we have at least another 5 more minutes with the characters.
Killer Queen
Banned
Wonder if they mo-capped Tarkin. If they didn't I can see why his movements looked odd.
If they didn't I can't see why they wouldn't considering how good videogames have gotten with it.
If they didn't I can't see why they wouldn't considering how good videogames have gotten with it.
Bobby Roberts
Banned
Yeah. People, iinstead of simply questioning the methods of the good guys, posit that because the good guys have done bad things, it somehow automatically transforms the bad guys into the real good guys.
In this fiction, a guy more or less mercy kills a source (although it's just as much for self-preservation) and totally gaslights our hero when confronted with the fact he was sent to murder her father as part of his secret mission as assigned by a shadier, hawkish member of the Alliance. This now somehow makes the Rebellion "bad guys," as compared to the "not that bad" Empire, who are seen physically subjugating and oppressing people based on their religion, destabilizing a region so thoroughly that armed insurgency is now just part of the daily routine, stripping a holy city of all its resources before emotionlessly obliterating every living being within it not even to cover up what it was doing so much, or to finally put down the insurgency it prompted, but because it's a very convienient location to test the destructive power of its superweapon. A superweapon that they fully intend to use as a means to oppress the entire galaxy into total submission, which they do in the very next movie by obliterating an entire planet that contains not a single weapon on it.
Dunno how you watch the movie and wind up thinking "Eh. Seems reasonable. They're not bad guys! Not like whatever's going on in the Rebellion"
You can think the Rebellion was acting shady in its efforts to defeat the Empire without forcing yourself to believe that the Empire is somehow doing the right thing in any way at all.
kopitarrulez_11
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Pablo Hidalgo tweeted the ending wasn't changed I find that very hard to believe with all the missing Scariff clips
bigboss370
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when that one guy called her "little sister". blehhh
TheMagician
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They actually had a real actor in place and just added the face...
Killer Queen
Banned
I mean, there's motion capture for facial expressions and its gotten really good. See: The Last of Us Part II
brandonh83
Banned
Tarkin was really well done.
Here's the problem though. It was a well-done attempt at a CG human character that shared screen space and interacted with real people. That's what makes it look completely awful-- there's no doubt it's very impressive effects work, when you put impressive effects work in the wrong context, it can crumble.
Tarkin in Episode III looked terrible, but you saw him in the distance. He wasn't front and center talking to live actors. I can handle lame CG aliens and robots and even situations like that all day, but when you do something like this, it just completely takes me out of it. Same with Leia. It's not shitting on the work the effects company put into it, it's criticizing the general execution and decision-making.
TheMagician
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Watched it a 2nd time this morning.
Liked it just as much if not more than I did the first time. I thought on first viewing it jumped around a bit too much at the beginning but because I knew all the characters this time it didn't really seem like a problem.
You know what the most emotional moment for me is in the entire film? Not the deaths, but when the Death Star plans download on to the rebel ship in space and you see the wireframe model. Truly the beginning of the rise of the light side.
Liked it just as much if not more than I did the first time. I thought on first viewing it jumped around a bit too much at the beginning but because I knew all the characters this time it didn't really seem like a problem.
You know what the most emotional moment for me is in the entire film? Not the deaths, but when the Death Star plans download on to the rebel ship in space and you see the wireframe model. Truly the beginning of the rise of the light side.
Killer Queen
Banned
The only problem I had with Leia was that she looked really grainy, as if she was actually in ANH.
Escape Goat
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I didn't notice that. I thought her skin looked too flawless to the point of looking like a China doll. But Carrie's skin was extremely fair in ANH too.
TheMagician
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That's a crazy comment.
Those models and movements in The Last of Us trailer would look odd as hell next to real people.
Bucket Mouse
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Both sides are the same!
Bobby Roberts
Banned
They look odd as hell here, too.
brandonh83
Banned
I thought all this stuff was really good. I did mostly enjoy the stuff on Scarif. While the characters themselves didn't do anything for me, it was still fun to look at and what emotional value there was came from the overall Rebellion story. I just wish it could have mattered to me when the protagonists were evaporated.
Exactly. People looking at the Empire like they're in the right, or seeing them in a different light that was portrayed in the movie are looking for something that isn't there. Looking for some kind of vindication, even. The parallels are clear in what the movie and it's factions are trying to convey and reflect to the audience.
BlastProcessing
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In a theater for second viewing. It's empty
It doesn't seem like a film that will have super strong holiday legs. It's not really a movie for the whole family. The kids at my screening where pretty shellshocked.
Killer Queen
Banned
I'm not saying use the models.
I'm saying use the technology they use to map the actors facial movements on to the CG model so it's movements look more realistic since instead of an animation it's real human facial expression.
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