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Rogue One: A Star Wars Story |OT| They rebel - SPOILERS

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Without being dramatic like many people

III
VII
VI
R1
V
I
IV
II

There's too many little things in VI that make it loose 2nd, but the 2nd half of III is easily the best in Star Wars, so this is me.
 
I'm willing to eat up anything Star Wars as long as it's good. TFA was a safe movie for reasons I get, but it was enjoyable. The pros outweighed the cons and I could sit and watch it again. Cannot say the same about Rogue One. If these spin off movies are of the same quality, I'll sit them out until one is telling a story that at least piques my interest. I saw RO out of a curiosity to see what a SW spin-off would look like, even though I even asked myself what the point of RO would be if it's concerning how the Death Star Plans got to the Rebels. In the end, I was asking myself the same question.

Of course, movies that depict events where you know end up? They can be fine. Saving Private Ryan is great though we know the Axis is defeated eventually. And yes, I know SPR is a top-tier movie and to expect other movies to hit that level is absurd and I guarantee I'm not doing that. I just think one simple thing that movie (and some other movies about events we know happen) succeed in is that it tells a story that's more personal and separated from the main players of the historic event or it tells a story we want to see.
Yep, I didn't ever think this was ever a story that needed to be told and the film did nothing to convince me otherwise. Of course, there are plenty of war films where we know the outcome from the start; the key is to have us empathize with the characters. I liked the cast well enough to not be completely bored and some of the action was enjoyable but I felt not an ounce of pity when each of them died. That's the difference between RO and something like Saving Private Ryan, Seven Samurai, or any of the other dozens of war-squad-sent-on-doomed-mission-films: the characters in RO are completely forgettable -- though, I understand, from reading other responses, that perhaps others did connect with the cast (more power to them) so we are perhaps in the minority.

I have to disagree with you, I'm a big SW fan and while I've listed my main problems with TFA already (the characterizations) I still loved it way more than TFA and it wasn't due to nostalgia hype. I was let down by the characterizations in RO but it wasn't completely absent, I still felt for all these characters when they died. TFA did their characters slightly better but they still felt way off from what we got in the OT. But, unlike TFA, RO didn't feel like cheap fan service. It felt like a new separate adventure, that for the most part, kept its call backs to the original respectful instead of shoving anything in your face you might recognize in the hopes it will connect with you.

TFA had the potential to give us something fresh while staying true to the fun, action-adventure of the OT. Instead, it decided to just give everyone ANH again. RO while set just before ANH manages to give us something entirely different, something that expands the existing SW universe instead of trying to wallow in the past.

Thanks for the response. The difference between us is that again I just didn't feel anything for these characters. I'm glad that they worked for you; of course, I'd be much more appreciative of the film, if I felt likewise.

As for TFA, I agree the plot is too unoriginal and derivative of ANH, and it also went a little too far in preying upon our nostalgia with a few too many fanservicey parts for my taste; however, while RO, with its focus as a straight war story about a squad of soldiers on a suicide mission, is a type of film we previously haven't seen in the SW Film universe before now, it not only has more call backs and fan service than TFA, I would argue that the entire plot of the film is fan service. See:

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Love the beginning of Jedi and the Vader/Luke stuff is terrific, emperor too. But the meandering middle and a bored Solo do damage it.

I don't get the hate. It's become fashionable lately to exaggerate ROTJs obvious faults while giving little to no credit to what are arguably some of the best moments in the franchise: the opposite bookends of Jabbas Palace and the three way Endor / space battle / throne room confrontation -- the later of which still hasn't been topped.

Speaking of space battles, I was glad that, unlike TFA, RO actually had some, but they, much like the prequels, they didn't feel exciting in the same way that Han navigating through the asteroid field or the ROTJ space battle did. I don't know whether it was the CGI, the camera movement / direction, lack of characters to get behind, or what.
 
Coolest motherfucker in the Old EU.

He looks basicly like the buddy of Jyn when he took his jacket of and had a wife whose name was almost like our Jyn Erso, so he is basicly in the movie.

Are we supposed to think it's pure coincidence that Jyn Erso sounds very similar to Jan Ors?
 
I find the sheer number of people who missed out on some of the best SW games.. Disturbing.

And honestly people are being dramatic as fuck about the Vader line.
Compared to Mary Sue-gate and the pants-shitting over Vader's neck in the Rogue One trailer, I'd say the reaction his zinger has been fairly tame.
 
Speaking of Gary Stus, why haven't I seen a thread on Jyn Erso being a Mary Sue yet?

That was all the rage last year with Rey.

I mean, she didn't possess a wildly varied set of skills that weren't explained within the fiction and she had things go wrong for her through the course of the story? I don't think Rey is a Mary Sue but I think that criticism that her character is thin and has characterization problems isn't unfair

Jyn feels relatively well realized
 
I actually didn't think the line was that bad, especially since he says it in a clearly irritated tone. Him turning around with the hand was pretty bad, though.
 
just came from my third time watching the movie.

The first half has serious narrative issues, it jumps around soooo much, constantly references Saw Gerera, builds him up, just to tear him down ...

The second half is still great imho, except for the SUPER CONTRIVED issue of:

"To get the plans to the rebels,
we must first acquire them,
then get to the top of the comms tower and transmit them.

To be able to transmit them,
we need to tell the Rebels to take down the shield.
To be able to tell them that they should take down the shield,
we need to first plug the shuttle into a communications tower via wire(!)
and then flip a switch at an entirely different location"

It's a contrived chain of dependencies that's just there to give everyone (especially those on the ground) something they can sacrifice their lives for. Could've been done better, imho.
Also what else, beyond trying to take down the shield, would the fleet in orbit do anyways. It clearly blocks comms and it clearly prevents any of their ships from escaping.

the fact that the dish needed to be re-aligned (from a console 30 feet further down along a narrow walkway) just to create some extra tension was just the icing on the cake.

Still loved it :P

Also, all 3 times i watched it in the english non-dubbed version, and while i consider myself perfectly fluent in english, i had a bit of a harder time the first time around that i watched the movie, because most of the exposition is done by a character who swallows syllables and kinda mumbles (Bhodi), one with a spanish accent (Cassian), one with a danish accent (Mikkelsen) and Krennic, who also doesn't do textbook pronounciation of words. (he sounds like he's wearing braces, kinda)

Of course, none of those are issues of the actors / characters / roles - i just feel it makes it a bit harder for people to parse all those Alien names, names of planets and locations, names of 'Space' characters etc. - especially when you're not all that familiar with Star Wars.
 
Would this movie potentially change the order in which you watch the series?

A big reason why I like Star Wars so much over Empire is because it can stand on its own as its own film. But now I pretty much have to watch Rogue One + Star Wars back to back every time because of how well they go together.
 
Apology accepted is quite silly and why should the fact that it's a pun or not matter? You're focusing too much on that one aspect.
Point is, dude has a dark sense of humor, he says morbid things that he believes are funny.
This squarely falls into this category and thus is entirely in character.

Completely disagree that Apology Accepted was a silly line. I don't think we can really come to an agreement here.
 
I find the sheer number of people who missed out on some of the best SW games.. Disturbing.

And honestly people are being dramatic as fuck about the Vader line.
This is the first real role Vader's had in forever, so everything had to be perfect. Naturally, if something didn't sit right even a little bit, it would be scrutinized.
 
Speaking of Gary Stus, why haven't I seen a thread on Jyn Erso being a Mary Sue yet?

That was all the rage last year with Rey.

Jyn died so they're not afraid of that specific girl popping up in their future space battle summer flicks.

Rey is in here for the long run. Can you imagine, a girl in the lead for all those movies?

Also I'm sure you can find enough people complaining about Jyn if you look hard enough, but I don't hate myself enough to try.
 
Lists?

Saga

Empire
The Force Awakens
A New Hope
Revenge Of The Sith
Return of the Jedi
Attack of The Clones (i hate a lot of stuff in this one, but then i like christopher lee,grevious,blade runner esque city and the assination attempt on padame, obi wan vs jango in the rain, opening scene) but thats my opinion i dont expect anyone else to like it.
Phantom Menace

Star Wars Stories
Rogue One (number one on my stand alone list) if i'm forced with a blaster to my head, i put it as an equal to A New Hope as they should go together as a perfect double bill, and i hope it happens for the 40th.
 
It's pretty amazing how every single one of my real life friends and family have seen this movie and have all loved it and said it is a millon times better than TFA.
 
Fantastic
Clone Wars S3 - S6
ESB
ANH

Great
ROTJ
Rebels
R1
ROTS

Okay
Clone Wars S1 - S2

Very Meh
TPM

BAD
AOTC

Ah, should've added in the animated series, but I'll just say that the finale of Rebels s2 has one of the greatest SW moments. Clone Wars was fantastic in its own right, but to see that era topped off and concluded like that... Incredible stuff.
 
Might as well

Loved:
ESB
TFA
ROTS

Really good:
ROTJ
TPM
RO

Reluctant to watch:
ANH
AOTC


Watched clone wars, thought they were boring. A few bright spots but ultimately forgettable.
 
The prequels where shite and I don't count that crap as Star Wars films so it's

A New Hope
The Empire Strikes Back
Return of the Jedi
Rogue One
The Force Awakens
 
Okay take away the fact that the joke is a pun. What's wrong with it and which part of it is out of character?
It's a dark joke
He's intimidating someone
What's wrong with it?

Why would I take away the fact that it's a bad pun when it being a bad pun is the reason I'm objecting to it? It's the type of joke that makes people roll their eyes and go "daaaaad".
 
Speaking of Gary Stus, why haven't I seen a thread on Jyn Erso being a Mary Sue yet?

That was all the rage last year with Rey.
Jyn is 3x times the character Rey is. Jyn has clear motivations and past experiences while we are being forced to watch 3 movies for Rey's.

I thought Jyn's motivational speeches were junk but a lot of the dialogue is kinda corny tbh. It's a good thing this movie has lots of action.
 
No

no we don't.

why would you want to split GAF and sent it into a civil war
Neogaf: Civil War
Largest thread of the year

Why would I take away the fact that it's a bad pun when it being a bad pun is the reason I'm objecting to it? It's the type of joke that makes people roll their eyes and go "daaaaad".
You still haven't said why it's out of character. You can argue that you don't like it but it's definitely not out of character which was your original argument
 
It's pretty amazing how every single one of my real life friends and family have seen this movie and have all loved it and said it is a millon times better than TFA.

I'm trying so hard not to throw in a tag quote here.

Although I agree in that I liked it more than TFA - although I'm not sure it's better.

Also, is every single real life friend and family member of yours really that into Star Wars? And they really all like it a million times better?
 
Ifyouexcisetheromancescenesfromattackoftheclonesyouwindupwithaservicableactionadventuremoviethattiesintolargerplotthreadsinthestarwarsuniverse

Attack of the Clones romance I can sort of try and forget. I can never get past "from my point of view the Jedi are evil" and "he killed the younglings"

But the bold was a great callback! Obi-Wan mentions point of view mattering in RotJ. He realizes that Anakin wasn't entirely wrong to say the Jedi had lost their way. It's why the only one of them in recent memory to become A Force ghost was the one guy who thumbed his nose at their rules and politics and just did what he thought was right.

I'm actually expecting this theme to come up in Episodes 8 and 9 with Kylo.
 
The One and Done™;226818521 said:
The Vader pun felt very Vader and very 1970s. Win.

I think people forget the Vader from ANH was more of a smug asshole who made snide comments and no one respected outside of Tarkin, and less of the cold, intimidating man that everyone fears.
 
Fine, damn it, fine. But I'm going to break this up into two groups:

Quality:
Empire Strikes Back/The Force Awakens
A New Hope
Revenge of the Sith/Rogue One
Return of the Jedi
Attack of the Clones
The Phantom Menace

Entertainment value:
Empire Strikes Back/The Force Awakens
Revenge of the Sith
A New Hope
Attack of the Clones
Return of the Jedi
The Phantom Menace
Rogue One
 
But the bold was a great callback! Obi-Wan mentions point of view mattering in RotJ. He realizes that Anakin wasn't entirely wrong to say the Jedi had lost their way. It's why the only one of them in recent memory to become A Force ghost was the one guy who thumbed his nose at their rules and politics and just did what he thought was right.

I'm actually expecting this theme to come up in Episodes 8 and 9 with Kylo.

I think everybody gets that it's a callback, it's just that the line itself is laughably shitty and horribly presented.

A lot of the dialogue in those movies consists of either simple declarations or high school level 'poetry'.
 
I think people forget the Vader from ANH was more of a smug asshole who made snide comments and no one respected outside of Tarkin, and less of the cold, intimidating man that everyone fears.

It's more likely that the people that have an issue with the pun have an issue precisely because they do remember how he actually was.

Fine, damn it, fine. But I'm going to break this up into two groups:

Quality:
Empire Strikes Back/The Force Awakens
A New Hope
Revenge of the Sith/Rogue One
Return of the Jedi
Attack of the Clones
The Phantom Menace

Entertainment value:
Empire Strikes Back/The Force Awakens
Revenge of the Sith
A New Hope
Attack of the Clones
Return of the Jedi
The Phantom Menace
Rogue One

Honestly not bad lists, but you really didn't like Return of the Jedi. It was my least favorite when only three Star Wars films existed, but all of the prequels were worse, Rogue One was worse and The Force Awakens was worse from a narrative standpoint. Also, even though I think The Empire Strikes Back is the best, I still find Star Wars to be more entertaining overall. But I've always been a sucker for origin stories I guess.
 
Fine, damn it, fine. But I'm going to break this up into two groups:

Quality:
Empire Strikes Back/The Force Awakens
A New Hope
Revenge of the Sith/Rogue One
Return of the Jedi
Attack of the Clones
The Phantom Menace

Entertainment value:
Empire Strikes Back/The Force Awakens
Revenge of the Sith
A New Hope
Attack of the Clones
Return of the Jedi
The Phantom Menace
Rogue One

I always liked you Brandon but no more.
 
Edited list with animation

ESB
Rebels s2 finale

ANH
TFA
RO
s2-6 Clone Wars

ROTJ
s1 Clone Wars
Rebels

Trash starts here

TPM
ROTS
AOTC
 
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