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[fisheyes]

Besides the Phasma scene, I'd say that a lot of scenes with Rey and Finn on the Falcon (them fixing the Falcon, the "I bypassed the compressor " scene, the "YOU KNOW LUKE SKYWALKER? :O" scene) and the Rathars.

I get that they were trying to show some energy and enthusiasm in comparison with the "sterile" acting of the prequels, but they went a little far.

Both Daisy and John reeled it in for the last act, though, which I appreciated. I still think they're great finds - I just wish they had toned it down a little.

I reckon it works fine because the characters - especially Rey - are presented as in-universe Star Wars fanboys. It makes sense for her to be overly excited about those things.

I loved the characters in Force Awakens. If they had managed to get me to care about the characters in Rogue One even half as much then R1 could've really pushed for being my favourite Star Wars movie.

 

[Einchy]

Man. More power to them I guess.

Yeah Peter Cushing still looks old as fuck... 40 years later.

I think to a lot of people, the concept of a CGI actor is pretty new, so they're not going to think he's not a real person.

 

[Papito]

But how
How is this possible

People complain about even DECENT CG but think this was good or passable for realism? Sheeeeit.

When I first saw him I knew it was cgi, but only because I knew the real actor couldn't possible look the same and that I was paying a lot of attention to even the smallest details. IMO it was amazing and the fact that some people couldn't tell the difference is a testament to that. The Leia one on the other hand wasn't as great.

 

[brandonh83]

I think to a lot of people, the concept of a CGI actor is pretty new, so they're not going to think he's not a real person.

I just fail to see how anyone with functional eyesight couldn't notice immediately.

 

[-griffy-]

This is why I can't take people seriously. Like the prequels have tons of CG and some was bad, but I can't say FOR ME that anything was as jarring as Leia or Tarkin. Again I can handle to some length bad aliens or whatever but showing me a CG human in a live space with real actors is just as bad if not worse. But they go crazy over a young CG Fisher? I don't get it.

They're going crazy for Leia showing up, got nothing to do with the CG. Likewise, people hated Jar Jar cause he was a bad character, not because he was CG. But they end up getting lumped together.

 

[Lifejumper]

I wonder if they will further improve the cgi for the blu ray release.

 

[George Oscar Bluth II]

I wonder if they will further improve the cgi for the blu ray release.

I can see them doing that. Blu-Rays take around 5 months to release.

 

[brandonh83]

They're going crazy for Leia showing up, got nothing to do with the CG. Likewise, people hated Jar Jar cause he was a bad character, not because he was CG. But they end up getting lumped together.

Well I mean people complain about the CG all the time. That stuff too, but for me it wasn't Leia showing up but a crap CG rendition.

 

[The Librarian]

I want episode 9 to just 2 hours and a half of Rey smiling.

Because Rey deserves six episodes as main lead, this can be doable.

 

[Feel the Swift]

This is why I can't take people seriously. Like the prequels have tons of CG and some was bad, but I can't say FOR ME that anything was as jarring as Leia or Tarkin. Again I can handle to some length bad aliens or whatever but showing me a CG human in a live space with real actors is just as bad if not worse. But they go crazy over a young CG Fisher? I don't get it.

I can't take people seriously who say CGI over a decade old is less jarring than current CGI

 

[-griffy-]

I wonder if they will further improve the cgi for the blu ray release.

I don't know that they need to, or can really. Like, it's simultaneously incredibly well done and technically impressive, but also not quite good enough. I think it works okay for Leia because it's the one shot, and the moment overrides the tech. For Tarkin it's because he's in so many scenes and shots so you notice it more, but then it has the weird benefit of forcing you to get used to it by the end of the movie.

Well I mean people complain about the CG all the time. That stuff too, but for me it wasn't Leia showing up but a crap CG rendition.

Well it's the overruse and reliance on the CG that wasn't quite game ready and used needlessly. I think in this case they couldn't really do what they wanted to do any other way.

 

[Dommo]

I'll write my long-form thoughts on this film later, but I just had to tag in to say: Hell no, Daisy Ridley is the best part of TFA and is absolutely fantastic in the role. She communicates a wide range of clear emotions pretty effortlessly. She's keyed back when necessary (like in the first few scenes with her when she's by herself) and big when necessary. She's an innocent kid throughout most of the film so it makes sense she's wide eyed, excited and animated at certain moments (like aboard the Millenium Falcon with the compressor etc). Whatever problems you've got with the character of Rey, it's none of Daisy Ridley's doing.

Like, this may be a source of what you guys are complaining about, but I love this scene. Daisy, saying the same line three times, manages to shuffle through a series of emotional states: firstly fear with a mix of desperation and blind confidence. When it fails to work and Daniel Craig is noticeably pissed, Rey reels into her shell and Daisy delivers the next line with even more fear and nervousness in her voice. Then finally, back against the wall and nothing to lose, she goes for broke, relaxes, drops the fear, and calmly and confidently delivers the line one more time, this time working. Her follow-up lines are filled with a mix of "holy shit I cannot believe that worked" a return to adrenaline-fuelled panic, and "damn that was pretty sweet though."

I think it's a brilliant performance, especially for someone so fresh on the scene.

I can't take people seriously who say CGI over a decade old is less jarring than current CGI

Then you didn't understand the specifics of what brandonh is saying. Obviously the raw technology behind Tarkin and Leia is better/more impressive than the decade-old tech in the prequels, but the end result is totally more jarring than anything in the prequels because it's straight up close ups of CG actual human beings that we've all seen before in live action, standing in a room filled with actual real human beings. Compared to some of the goofy stuff in the prequels like the super dull green screen sets and Dexter Jettster: sure, it looks pretty dire, but there's absolutely nothing in the prequels as consistently jarring and in your face as Tarkin.

 

[brandonh83]

I can't take people seriously who say CGI over a decade old is less jarring than current CGI

When you have a CG human in the same frame as a live set and live actors interacting with them, yeah I find that more jarring.

 

[bishopcruz]

I have no issues with CG, people complain about it all the time, and it rarely bothers me unless it is done poorly. The CG for Tarkin and Leia bothered the crap out of me. The movement was just so unnatural, Tarkin looked like he had a stroke, his mouth barely moved and especially when he was playing against other actors, it just didn't work. It's odd, Tron: Legacy didn't bother me at all, Civil War didn't bother me at all either, but Tarkin and Leia both just took me the hell out of whatever scenes they were in.

I'm just amazed that after literal decades of complaining about CG, the two characters that actually dropped me down the uncanny valley are the ones getting the most praise. The models were great, but man, those scenes were kinda ruined for me.

 

[careksims]

Tarkin was fine when I saw him. I knew he was CG. Now Leia! When they showed her, I kinda revolted and went "what's wrong with her eyes?!" LOL She looked so off.

 

[GSG Flash]

Just got back from the movie a couple hours ago. I liked it, but I need to see it again to get a handle on it. But overall, a very positive experience.

Also, I don't know why TFA acting is being brought up, but I thought both John and Daisy were great and brought a lot of energy to the movie.

Edit: Also was great to see that Darth Vader is as badass as ever.

 

[JoshuaJSlone]

The Leia one on the other hand wasn't as great.

As one of those people who didn't know Tarkin was CG, I didn't think Leia was either--I just thought they found a useable two-second clip of her face and did a decent job of compositing it with modern footage.

 

[Instro]

you're not the only one. characters did feel very weak outside a couple interactions and yeah there was some unnecessary disjointedness in the beginning.

i think the idea was to make it seem like these characters came together to form a tight knit team but it just wasn't executed well.

Saw it today, and those were two things that caught my eye. The initial bit of the film jumps around between planets too much, to the point of being problematic. I don't think there was enough done to make the team really feel like they came together, with the exception of Jyn, Cassian, and K-2SO.

Overall though I thought it was great. Some minor issues, but definitely another winner. Regarding the CG discussion, I noticed, but both were very impressive, particularly Tarkin who held up better thanks to the lighting. Leia was a bit more obvious since she was in bright light with white backgrounds. I think it worked out better than casting new actors/actresses would have.

 

[Jarmel]

Really high highs but a generally flawed movie. I'm surprised more people aren't calling out how bad the editing was in the first half of the movie. You generally don't notice editing unless it's really bad or really good. Moulin Rouge falls in the former category largerly due to how haphazard the first half feels. The movie jumps from location to location which comes across as a bit slipshod especially since the movie is following three people in separate locations for awhile. It's not disorienting but it is distracting especially due to the number of location jumps and the speed to which the direction does it.

Action was fantastic, blows away the stuff in TFA and makes it look like amateur hour. There's a general sense of physicality and physics to many of the action sequences. The aerial dogfights really show how lazy the stuff in TFA was. The visuals are probably the best of any Star Wars film.

HK-47 Lite was the best thing about the movie. Characters and dialogue in general were just as bad as I feared going in. Anything that wasn't a joke was pretty bad. That's something TFA was much better at. The way the movie kills off some of the characters at the end was absolutely laughable. "Well your time is up, here's a quick scene and we'll kill you a minute later if that".

 

[Kagari]

And yet, there are heaps of people who think it was a real actor. Me, I kept being drawn to the CG lips. Never thought I'd stare at Peter Cushing's lips, lol.

I knew it was CG right away. Too uncanny valley. Same with Leia.

 

[bishopcruz]

Really high highs but a generally flawed movie. I'm surprised more people aren't calling out how bad the editing was in the first half of the movie. You generally don't notice editing unless it's really bad or really good. Moulin Rouge falls in the former category largerly due to how haphazard the first half feels. The movie jumps from location to location which comes across as a bit slipshod especially since the movie is following three people in separate locations for awhile. It's not disorienting but it is distracting especially due to the number of location jumps and the speed to which the direction does it.

I think some of it was due to the changes that they made to the script. No way to know for sure, but the early trailers seemed to indicate that you would follow Jyn during some of her time with Saw, and she was a rebel ala Saw's group. She seemed a lot more hardcore in those early trailers, and like 90% of the dialogue from the first teaser is no longer in the film.

 

[Dommo]

I have no issues with CG, people complain about it all the time, and it rarely bothers me unless it is done poorly. The CG for Tarkin and Leia bothered the crap out of me. The movement was just so unnatural, Tarkin looked like he had a stroke, his mouth barely moved and especially when he was playing against other actors, it just didn't work. It's odd, Tron: Legacy didn't bother me at all, Civil War didn't bother me at all either, but Tarkin and Leia both just took me the hell out of whatever scenes they were in.

I'm just amazed that after literal decades of complaining about CG, the two characters that actually dropped me down the uncanny valley are the ones getting the most praise. The models were great, but man, those scenes were kinda ruined for me.

Well it's so off putting because within the confines of this film, it makes no sense that every human character is real except for this one dude, inexplicably rendered in a computer. Like, he's not Davy Jones, with obvious supernatural elements, clearly stylistically different from someone like Jack Sparrow, and these two styles come head to head in a reasonably palatable way. He's just another normal guy in the same suit that everyone else is wearing, but he's a slimy, CG piece of artifice. The brain just can't wrap its head around it.

It's made worse that we've all seen him before as an actual human, so this feels really, really wrong. As much as the prequels have been ridiculed for their tech, this might actually be the single most dated element in the series in 50 years time. It'll look shockingly out of place.

When it comes to your other examples: Civil War (if I'm remembering correctly) takes the actual performances of RDJ and then digitally smooths him out to look younger. So it looks a little bit odd, but we're not talking a full-blown CG face here that feels completely alien. It's just RDJ, with RDJ's actual mannerisms and performance with a touch of artifice to it.

The Tron example would be as bad as Star Wars, if not for the fact that a) it's set in a computer where there's digital shit flying all over the place, so Clu blends in a bit better, and b) Clu is the villainous, artificial mirror of Flynn, so it makes thematic sense that he's rendered as an uncanny-valley, dehumanised, slightly creepy version, whether that was intended or otherwise. When they render young Flynn at the start of the film - yeah that's bad.

 

[Meowster]

As much as I liked the movie, I really didn't like Forest Whitaker's Saw..

 

[Jarmel]

I think some of it was due to the changes that they made to the script. No way to know for sure, but the early trailers seemed to indicate that you would follow Jyn during some of her time with Saw, and she was a rebel ala Saw's group. She seemed a lot more hardcore in those early trailers, and like 90% of the dialogue from the first teaser is no longer in the film.

I was wondering that too, some of the lines from Saw in the trailer make no sense now. There are points where it feels like there was a separate script there but they did a decent job of piecing everything together.

As much as I liked the movie, I really didn't like Forest Whitaker's Saw..

He feels like a remnant of a different script with a darker tone.

 

[BFIB]

So by this point there are no clones left? Has this been explained in the new cannon exactly what happened to the Clones?

 

[Brakke]

Is The Librarian gaslighting us? What is this "deserves six movies" meme?

 

[bishopcruz]

Well it's so off putting because within the confines of this film, it makes no sense that every human character is real except for this one dude, inexplicably rendered in a computer. Like, he's not Davy Jones, with obvious supernatural elements, clearly stylistically different from someone like Jack Sparrow, and these two styles come head to head in a reasonably palatable way. He's just another normal guy in the same suit that everyone else is wearing, but he's a slimy, CG piece of artifice. The brain just can't wrap its head around it.

It's made worse that we've all seen him before as an actual human, so this feels really, really wrong. As much as the prequels have been ridiculed for their tech, this might actually be the single most dated element in the series in 50 years time. It'll look shockingly out of place.

When it comes to your other examples: Civil War (if I'm remembering correctly) takes the actual performances of RDJ and then digitally smooths him out to look younger. So it looks a little bit odd, but we're not talking a full-blown CG face here that feels completely alien. It's just RDJ, with RDJ's actual mannerisms and performance with a touch of artifice to it.

The Tron example would be as bad as Star Wars, if not for the fact that a) it's set in a computer where there's digital shit flying all over the place, so Clu blends in a bit better, and b) Clu is the villainous mirror of Flynn, so it makes thematic sense that he's rendered as an uncanny-valley, dehumanised, slightly creepy version, whether that was intended or otherwise. When they render young Flynn at the start of the film - yeah that's bad.

That and the CGI acting just isn't that good for Tarkin, I just watched some of EpIV, and Tarkin was just so much more animated in his facial movements and blocking. He walked and talked, he had constant facial movement, and his mouth actually opened more than a half inch. I really wish they would have just recast him.

 

[Jarmel]

Forgot to mention, Krennic was a great villain. Absolutely loved him. His dialogue was fantastic and Ben Mendelsohn absolutely nailed the role. His conversation with Galen at the beginning was fantastic.

 

[FF Seraphim]

Finally saw the movie last night. Enjoyed it much more than TFA. The force chant though is stuck in my head and I catch myself saying it. Also anyone else think Vader's first appearance in his full suit he looked kinda fat?

 

[bishopcruz]

I was wondering that too, some of the lines from Saw in the trailer make no sense now. There are points where it feels like there was a separate script there but they did a decent job of piecing everything together.



He feels like a remnant of a different script with a darker tone.

Saw was the biggest waste of a character. His arc made little sense, I hope the BR has a lot of deleted scenes. I am getting tired though of major stuff being in trailers and not being in the actual movies. I'm not talking about a different cut, or slightly different dialogue, I mean the early trailers are for a very different movie it feels like. Again, not that the movie we got was bad. I very much liked it, but it did feel disjointed.

 

[Alebrije]

Both CG were crap , seen older pictures with better CG, do not know why these days we still see this kind of crap

 

[Jarmel]

Finally saw the movie last night. Enjoyed it much more than TFA. The force chant though is stuck in my head and I catch myself saying it. Also anyone else think Vader's first appearance in his full suit he looked kinda fat?

Vader's outfit in his first appearance on Mustafar looked awful. The suit looked like a complete mess, as if it didn't fit the actor playing it.

 

[Burt]

It's ridiculous that Vader got his own Barad-dur

But it's the kind of ridiculous I can get behind

Spoiler

Barad-vader?

Spoiler

*buh-dum tiss*

 

[bishopcruz]

Vader's outfit in first appearance on Mustafar looked awful. The suit looked like a complete mess, as if it didn't fit the actor playing it.

Yeah the Vader suit was the other major nitpick. It had something to do with the helmet around the neck. It looked like a cosplay.

 

[brandonh83]

Both CG were crap , seen older pictures with better CG, do not know why these days we still see this kind of crap

I just don't think any instance of it contributed anything to the story. I guess it riled up some people but I would have been fine with just assuming they were around during these events, just handled a lot better.

 

[watership]

If Lucas did the CG Tarkin or Leia things fanboys would be calling upon the fuckin firing squads.

This.

 

[Jarmel]

I thought they supposedly fixed the suit after the outrage from the trailers, because it still looked like shit in the movie.

 

[FF Seraphim]

Vader's outfit in his first appearance on Mustafar looked awful. The suit looked like a complete mess, as if it didn't fit the actor playing it.

Yeah, im surprised they were okay with it. To me it was really jarring. However his force choke and line was excellent.

 

[EmCeeGramr]

But how
How is this possible

People complain about even DECENT CG but think this was good or passable for realism? Sheeeeit.

My family had no idea. They noticed something odd about Leia but assumed it was old footage that had been touched up.


I could tell something was off, but with Tarkin at first I didn't know if it was a double with weird lighting and a prosthetic or CG until I kept watching. I honestly thought the fake Tarkin that you saw from 30 feet away for 2 seconds in RotS was more jarring.

 

[Jarmel]

Yeah, im surprised they were okay with it. To me it was really jarring. However his force choke and line was excellent.

That's what saved the scene for me as I was too distracted by how bad the costume looked.

 

[-griffy-]

This.

Look, if Lucas had made this movie with this CG, it would be getting the same reaction. You got some people saying it was fine, some people hating it, some people saying it was sketchy but the use of the characters was worth it.

Meanwhile you got people defending prequel CG and hating prequel CG in this thread too. These movies don't just get one reaction, they get all the reactions.

 

[brandonh83]

Meanwhile you got people defending prequel CG and hating prequel CG in this thread too.

I think some prequel CG is good, some not good. Maybe it's just a subjective thing but having a CG character that's human is just something that blindsides me more than a bad looking CG alien or robot army for example.

 

[FF Seraphim]

My wife didnt know Tarkin was CG but thought Leia looked off. Hell many of my friends didnt realize he was CG… it was weird.

 

[-griffy-]

I think some prequel CG is good, some not good. Maybe it's just a subjective thing but having a CG character that's human is just something that blindsides me more than a bad looking CG alien or robot army for example.

My point is that the reaction is gonna be divisive to this kind of stuff no matter what.

 

[Armadilo]

Ending was fucking epic, why I love star wars

 

[Bronx-Man]

Now that I think about it, why not just bring in Carrie Fisher and doing the de-aging CG like Marvel did?

 

[George Oscar Bluth II]

I have to say that Tarkin looked absolutely fantastic at certain angles... provided he wasn't emoting.

Now that I think about it, why not just bring in Carrie Fisher and doing the de-aging CG like Marvel did?

It definitely would've helped with the eyes but I think the result would be largely the same. More natural facial movement, perhaps.

 

[BronsonLee]

Now that I think about it, why not just bring in Carrie Fisher and doing the de-aging CG like Marvel did?

Cause even for a two second clip she can't act for shit

 

[-griffy-]

Now that I think about it, why not just bring in Carrie Fisher and doing the de-aging CG like Marvel did?

That would have looked more or less the same as what we got.

 

[Bronx-Man]

Cause even for a two second clip she can't act for shit

bronson don't hurt em