Oh, okay. Gotcha. Yeah, that makes sense. Part of me still wished to see Jyn survive, or at least Chirrut/Baze. Like still have it so the plans are beamed up, but have them escape just before the death Star arrives. I'm still fine with the film as is, though it would've been nice to have more character development. Would've made the deaths more impactful IMO.
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Oh, okay. Gotcha. Yeah, that makes sense. Part of me still wished to see Jyn survive, or at least Chirrut/Baze. Like still have it so the plans are beamed up, but have them escape just before the death Star arrives. I'm still fine with the film as is, though it would've been nice to have more character development. Would've made the deaths more impactful IMO.
I saw it twice this weekend, I really really like it.
I feel like the first act is meh, lots of fast cutting to introduce characters.
I really like the third act. Think its really well done. I feel like Edwards may have redeemed himself and showed he can direct a solid movie.
I feel like the death of Jyn and Cassian is a powerful moment in the film, and works beautifully. I also think the Darth Vader scene is also incredible.
But yeah, the Jyn and Cassian death is really really good.
Also whoever at Lucasfilm keeps wanting to cast really attractive brunettes, I thank them for it.
I feel like the first act is meh, lots of fast cutting to introduce characters.
I really like the third act. Think its really well done. I feel like Edwards may have redeemed himself and showed he can direct a solid movie.
I feel like the death of Jyn and Cassian is a powerful moment in the film, and works beautifully. I also think the Darth Vader scene is also incredible.
But yeah, the Jyn and Cassian death is really really good.
Also whoever at Lucasfilm keeps wanting to cast really attractive brunettes, I thank them for it.
I'm curious as to whether or not she is ever aware it was Vader's ship that arrived at Scarif. Anybody on board the rebel ship that came into his path died likely died moments later. There could still be enough leeway there for the line from Ep 4 to still be accurate.
Interfectum
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Weren't they using a less powerful laser?
Skellig Gra
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They only fired one laser, it wasn't the full blast. That seemed pretty clear to me when they spelled it out during the "test" conversation with Tarkin and Krennic.
There's also some talk of the Vader hallway scene originally being considerably longer with all the main characters dying here, together at the hands of him rather than individually earlier on.
It lines up with some of the footage we've seen of the group running down the beach etc.
If that was the case, I can see why Disney might want a third act where every character gets their time in the spotlight rather than brutally murdered all at once.
It lines up with some of the footage we've seen of the group running down the beach etc.
If that was the case, I can see why Disney might want a third act where every character gets their time in the spotlight rather than brutally murdered all at once.
Really enjoyed the movie, but yesterday when watching the beginning of A New Hope something stuck out to me. After Vader interrogates Leia, there is a brief exchange where one of his officers argues with him about how he knows Leia has the plans. First off, this exchange is now completely odd considering this officer must be extremely out of the loop that he doesn't understand why Vader knows Leia has the plans. Then, Vader says something along the lines of "I have traced the rebels back to her", which is odd because it really has nothing to do with her (or his sleuthing skills), but rather with the simple fact that he saw this ship leaving the battle with the plans.
None of this is a big deal but it did stick out.
None of this is a big deal but it did stick out.
The guy with the plans himself probably said it was Vader.
yup, "single reactor ignition"
because Tarkin said they needed "a statement, not a manifesto" (great line, btw)
ClosingADoor
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They explain this in the movie. They only use a portion of the possible power in Rogue One when firing the Death Star. When destroying Alderaan it is their first test with the full power.
Oh, right. Makes sense.
FF Seraphim
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Oh god, this made me go into uncontrollable laughing fit. Good job.
Skellig Gra
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Did he though? He was in a busted up corridor when they escaped. How would he 100% know it was that ship AND that Leia was on it?
BobbyRobby
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This was really good. I was kind of bothered though that forest Whittaker's death seem kind of unearned.
I feel like we barely got to see him and then he was given an epic death scene too early in the movie.
I loved that they showed restraint and didn't have some lane character welding a lightsaber throughout the movie. It made that Vader scene at the end much more satisfying.
I feel like we barely got to see him and then he was given an epic death scene too early in the movie.
I loved that they showed restraint and didn't have some lane character welding a lightsaber throughout the movie. It made that Vader scene at the end much more satisfying.
It could go either way for me. On one hand, the reshoots could have been pretty extensive. On the other hand though, expensive test shots aren't a new thing.
This shot in The Two Towers was only actually meant for a trailer and never intended for the film. It ended up working, but that could've been a matter of fortunate convenience more than anything.
Theslammer
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The ending didn't undermine them at all. The ship got away with the plans Rogue One sacrificed themselves to get and delivered the plans to Princess Leia.
The film may center around the less supernatural, but they're still in a universe with Jedi and the Empire, and Darth Vader is a big part of the empire.
Badlucktroll
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So, did the rebellion start on Jedha? Was Jedha always a problem for the empire because it was so fanatical?
I'm saying he didn't know Leia was on it, that's my whole point. He saw the ship leaving and chased it. Then when questioned by his officer instead of saying "I've traced the rebels (or the plans) back to this ship" He says he's traced the rebels back to "her". All I'm saying is from what we saw at the end of Rogue One 0% of what Vader is doing in the beginning of A New Hope has to do with tracing Leia as a lead.
EDIT: loved the ending either way
Interfectum
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When Krennic ordered those Death Star engineers to be shot did the sound cut out for everyone else? Felt like the shots were muted for some reason.
I really don't understand where they are going with helium inhaler Whittaker.
Such an odd character.
yup, good point.
He knows the spies sent the plans to the Mon Calamari ship
He knows the Tantive IV escaped from the Mon Calamari ship
Whether or not he knew Leia was on that ship doesn't really matter, as it's not a needed "link" between the Rebels, the spies, the plans and the Tantive IV.
It's not "Princess Leia Organa is on that ship, the plans must be with her".
but rather "The plans are on that ship, ... oh look whom we got here, Princess Leia Organa, what a charming surprise"
i feel like the original script / cut had a bigger focus on some kind of disease / kyber radiation posioning ... The informant (who was killed by Cassian) showed some signs of disability, and so did Saw Gerera.
Whatever gas he breathed - whenever he took a whiff, he got SUPER PARANOID afterwards.
like "hey jyn, how are you, sup" *inhale* "did they send you to kill me? is this a trap?"
same for his conversation with Bhodi.
Apparently the character appeared in Clone Wars too. I'd completely forgotten.
Vader's no Galen Marek, that's for sure.
Though in ESB he force chokes a dude he communicates with through a TV. How far away is that guy? Does Vader need to see the person to choke them? Do they have to be in a reasonable distance? Why doesn't Vader just choke out everybody if he can do it from miles away and not even be in the same room as the victim? You cannot use anything from the EU in your answer.
chesspieceface
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The rebel soldiers that managed to board the Tantive IV while escaping Vader know.
I don't know why but his character really worked for me. I liked how his whole crew were essentially radicalized rebels (if I can use strong language like that in a context like this). They were terrorists, and he was off his rocker. Their presence in the movie went a long way at developing the rebellion as a movement with many players of differing perspectives and motives.
I thought he served as a really good obstacle to our main characters progressing in the first act, and I loved how he inadvertently brought all of the main characters together. I thought his addiction to the gas mask was an interesting character quirk that made sense given how rattled his body and mind appeared to be.
I say all of this as someone who has no familiarity with his backstory as I've never watched the cartoons where he supposedly originally appeared.
After sleeping on this one, I think I would rank the SW movies as following:
5>7=1>6=R1>3>1>2
Overall I think I liked TFA more because I liked the characters more and the humour was better in TFA. I also found R1's first half to be a bit too convoluted and dragging, but the second half was up there with ESB IMO.
Edit: Also liked the music more in TFA compared to R1, though R1's music was still great.
5>7=1>6=R1>3>1>2
Overall I think I liked TFA more because I liked the characters more and the humour was better in TFA. I also found R1's first half to be a bit too convoluted and dragging, but the second half was up there with ESB IMO.
Edit: Also liked the music more in TFA compared to R1, though R1's music was still great.
I want a movie about his adventures with the Brotherhood of Steel.
It's simply The Force
chesspieceface
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Fair enough, still should be instant. It's not because it's not full blast that it should take more time.
The real explanation is that they needed it for narrative reasons
Dammit. That makes it sooo much better.
I see. I really need to finish watching CW.
ColonialHawk
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Nah Jedha was home to a Jedi Temple where kyber crystals could be found (Jedi used them for their lightsabers). The Empire was mining the crap out of it and using the crystals to power the death star. Saw Garrera was "too rebellious for the rebellion" and was using any means necessary to stop the flow of materials to the empire.
Skellig Gra
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Fair enough, still should be instant. It's not because it's not full blast that it should take more time.
The real explanation is that they needed it for narrative reasons
Fair enough but you could say that about literally everything though.
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chesspieceface
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So why doesn't the Falcon blast off to light speed right after leaving Mos Eisley in ANH?
I thought it was better than TFA honestly, main hook was a retcon to settle one of the main fan complaints about ANH but think it was handled well.
Just going through the thread now so not sure if anyone else brought it up, but was really expecting payoff for the force sensitive monk to sense/have a reaction to Vader...like, being horrified or something.
Is there any firm info on what was reshot/redone or is it all rumor?
Just going through the thread now so not sure if anyone else brought it up, but was really expecting payoff for the force sensitive monk to sense/have a reaction to Vader...like, being horrified or something.
Is there any firm info on what was reshot/redone or is it all rumor?
a few guys shooting at you < the world around you crumbling down, i guess.
lachesis
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No - rebellion was already all across the galaxy - small sections and a lot of them were just individuals. There was no united front. The story of Rebels, actually shows that - and how they came together one by one.
The role of Fulcrum, was to unite and relay the communication between different sections of rebellion - that role was taken up by Ashoka, backed up by Bail Organa, I heard (from the novel Ashoka)
This would actually make sense, because in Catalyst Galen finds out through firsthand experience that (non-Force-sensitive, at least) people who spend a bunch of time dealing with kyber crystals start to have sleep problems.
I mean, if that's true cool I guess, but why would this really need explaining at all? Soldiers are addicted to painkillers/opiates all the time in fiction. He was a pretty rattled dude that had clearly been double crossed many times. I don't know why would we need something like "Kyber Radiation Poisoning" to explain why a guy like Saw would be addicted to a substance.
The whole reaction to this movie has really magnified people's obsession with lore and backstory. I like that Rogue One just gave you characters with quirks and left it up to us to imagine why they are the way they are. I think they made the right call in not including a deep explanation of Saw's injuries in Rogue One, if such a scene ever really existed. Just let him be a damaged crazy man, I really don't need to know his whole life story for him to be an effective character
Scrooge McDuck
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Jumping to hyperspace without proper calculation is highly dangerous and Cassian only does it because it's certain death if he didn't.
Haloid1177
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He crushes an engine on an Imperial Shuttle in Vader Down so like he could have.
just saying that Saw's "inhaler" was clearly meant to be a plot device of sorts.
I didn't miss any kind of "kyber poisoning" side-story, i was just pointing out that there's clear signs that Saw's inhaler is clearly some kind of drug that he takes when he's stressed out, but instead of calming him down, it makes him go crazily paranoid.
Because at times, Saw talks like a somewhat reasonable person
Shadow Broker
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I thought it showed the versatility of the Death Star. We all know the Death Star is a Planet Killer but this movie shows it can do much more like pin point strikes.
Also in real life it's a shit ton harder to procisely hit a target without destroying everything else then it is to waste the entire area. I'm more impressed with the Death Star in this movie.
just saying that Saw's "inhaler" was clearly meant to be a plot device of sorts.
I didn't miss any kind of "kyber poisoning" side-story, i was just pointing out that there's clear signs that Saw's inhaler is clearly some kind of drug that he takes when he's stressed out, but instead of calming him down, it makes him go crazily paranoid.
Because at times, Saw talks like a somewhat reasonable person
Didn't mean it to seem like I thought your speculation was pointless! It actually is an interesting take that he would get more paranoid after inhaling. Kind of like someone who's substance abuse drastically changes their mood and irritability
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Pretty much this. Meanwhile every Nolan thread is full of people complaining about explaining every little thing. I prefer to make some leaps and fill in gaps myself. This is what was so cool about ANH - mentioning the Clone Wars and other things in passing that hinted at a larger world and events in the past without telling you everything. People in here complaining about not seeing every moment of Jyn's life, etc. should probably read a book or something. I'm OK with what we got.
Jesus.
Just looked at the Teaser Trailer;
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wji-BZ0oCwg
- Jyn walking out of her cell-block (shot wasn't used)
- "State your name for the record" followed by "Jyn Erso".
- "This is a Rebellion isn't it? I rebel!"
- "... a major weapons test is imminent. We need to know what it is and how to destroy it".
- The Krennic shot of him standing in the Death-Star.
- Saw Gerrera approaching the camera, bald. This either takes place when Jyn finds him or when he is informed Krennic is coming. The phrase "What will you do when they catch you? What will you do if they break you? If you continue to fight ... what will you become?
- Alternate shot of the Death-Trooper turning his head. This WAS in the movie, although an alternate shot was used.
- Jyn, Cassian and K2SO running through the tunnel they entered the Scarif Citadel in. Jyn holding that Death-Star datatype. (Interesting fact, K2 DIES before Jyn gets the tape)
- Krennic walking towards some sort of facility surrounded by Death Stormtroopers. Scene was ommited. Krennic never stepped outside the Citadel.
- During the scene where Saw says "... if you continue to fight" ... it looks like he's in some kind of cockpit? There's a "chair" behind him.
- Scene showing Jyn and Cassian running towards the AT-ACT's. Again, she is carrying the tape.
Rogue One : A Star Wars Story Trailer (official)
- In the cockpit Jyn and Cassian say "Good" ... followed by Cassian's response ".. good".
- Captured Rebel Pilots followed by Stormtroopers. Can't remember if this scene was in the final movie.
- Baze says ".. they destroyed our home". Most likely referring to Jedha followed by "I fight the Empire now".
- KS2O saying "The captain says you are a friend. I will not kill you".
- Jyn saying "Everyday they grow stronger"
- Cassian saying "He means well".
- Jyn saying "This is our chance, to make a real difference". Sort of contradicts the way she talked to Saw before doesn't it? "They wanted an introduction. They got one".
- Jyn walking towards the Sattelite controlpanel. A Tie-Fighter pops up.
- The shot of Darth Vader looking at the Death Star schematics is gone.
Rogue One : A Star Wars Story Trailer 2(official)
- The U-Wing flying over the Jedi Statue on Jedha
- "Our Rebellion is all that remains to push back the Empire"
- Again, the shoft of Vader looming over the Death Star schematics.
- Scene between Krennic and Vader. "The power we are dealing with here ... is immeasureable". Looks to be on a Star Destroyer or the Death Star itself.
- Death Star hologram during the Rebellion meeting.
And I'm pretty sure there's a shitload more of stuff that was either cut, altered ... or used for different purposses. That's quite a list.
Just looked at the Teaser Trailer;
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wji-BZ0oCwg
- Jyn walking out of her cell-block (shot wasn't used)
- "State your name for the record" followed by "Jyn Erso".
- "This is a Rebellion isn't it? I rebel!"
- "... a major weapons test is imminent. We need to know what it is and how to destroy it".
- The Krennic shot of him standing in the Death-Star.
- Saw Gerrera approaching the camera, bald. This either takes place when Jyn finds him or when he is informed Krennic is coming. The phrase "What will you do when they catch you? What will you do if they break you? If you continue to fight ... what will you become?
- Alternate shot of the Death-Trooper turning his head. This WAS in the movie, although an alternate shot was used.
- Jyn, Cassian and K2SO running through the tunnel they entered the Scarif Citadel in. Jyn holding that Death-Star datatype. (Interesting fact, K2 DIES before Jyn gets the tape)
- Krennic walking towards some sort of facility surrounded by Death Stormtroopers. Scene was ommited. Krennic never stepped outside the Citadel.
- During the scene where Saw says "... if you continue to fight" ... it looks like he's in some kind of cockpit? There's a "chair" behind him.
- Scene showing Jyn and Cassian running towards the AT-ACT's. Again, she is carrying the tape.
Rogue One : A Star Wars Story Trailer (official)
- In the cockpit Jyn and Cassian say "Good" ... followed by Cassian's response ".. good".
- Captured Rebel Pilots followed by Stormtroopers. Can't remember if this scene was in the final movie.
- Baze says ".. they destroyed our home". Most likely referring to Jedha followed by "I fight the Empire now".
- KS2O saying "The captain says you are a friend. I will not kill you".
- Jyn saying "Everyday they grow stronger"
- Cassian saying "He means well".
- Jyn saying "This is our chance, to make a real difference". Sort of contradicts the way she talked to Saw before doesn't it? "They wanted an introduction. They got one".
- Jyn walking towards the Sattelite controlpanel. A Tie-Fighter pops up.
- The shot of Darth Vader looking at the Death Star schematics is gone.
Rogue One : A Star Wars Story Trailer 2(official)
- The U-Wing flying over the Jedi Statue on Jedha
- "Our Rebellion is all that remains to push back the Empire"
- Again, the shoft of Vader looming over the Death Star schematics.
- Scene between Krennic and Vader. "The power we are dealing with here ... is immeasureable". Looks to be on a Star Destroyer or the Death Star itself.
- Death Star hologram during the Rebellion meeting.
And I'm pretty sure there's a shitload more of stuff that was either cut, altered ... or used for different purposses. That's quite a list.
JoshuaJSlone
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I believe he's saying the gap between Rogue One and A New Hope is the intermission. The Rebels are still in a flurry of activity and dealing with the Death Star so no time for ecstatic crying.
Why? It's not like they used some really wide beam such that it would have to affect everything at once. They use enough power to put a huge hit on a single location, and the "land tsunami" just radiates out from that.chesspieceface said:
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