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Jarmel said:
It makes sense for Indiana to say it because it's the exact same character. This had a robot saying it who has never interacted with Han Solo. It's absolutely forced and is some lazy throwback to the OT like "I'll be back" is for Terminator.
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Guess you forgot about who also said that phrase.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tsXEToflqGs

Still, all of the pointless fan pandering aside, some of it was still better than the new quote they gave Vader. That was some of the most on the nose shit in the entire movie.
 
jedivulcan said:
So a few questions:

K2-SO never says "The captain says you're a friend, I will not kill you?"

No captured Rebel pilots on Jedha?
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A lot of the promo material may have been pre-reshoot footage, like the trailer shots of Jyn running around with the Death Star plans, or Krennic strolling the beaches with dead Stormtroopers, or Jyn confronting a TIE fighter on the tower, or more of Saw's dialogue, or Jyn's snarky rebel briefing room dialogue ("I rebel," "Yes sir," etc.)
 
jedivulcan said:
So a few questions:

K2-SO never says "The captain says you're a friend, I will not kill you?"

No captured Rebel pilots on Jedha?

In the final cut when they are escaping Jedha, there is an X-Wing parked outside of Saw Gerrera's hideout that's seen for a second.

How did the Rebels know where to strike the hidden Imperial research installation on Edo (sp)? It seemed like the Imperial pilot that defected had a general idea of where the installation was but wasn't familiar with the approach. The installation was secluded and mostly out of sight.
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Yeah there are a ton of scenes from the first couple trailers that didn't make the cut. There are also scenes of Jyn and Cassian running along the beach with the plans being chased by AT ATs. They must have changed the whole ending battle around.

As for how the pilot knew the location, that was a base he operated out of. He said he never approached "from this direction" cause they were coming in stealth like and under the radar or whatever to avoid detection, so he wasn't for sure on how close they were given they were coming in low and through the back door.
 
Killer Queen said:
So do you think that with more films like Rogue One and films that are closer to the prequel timeline that Disney can undo people's distaste for that timeline.
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No

Clone wars show is really as good as it can get for that era both in terms of painting the prequels in a better light and having good content.
 
Look, people who are casual Star Wars filmgoers aren't gonna know about the "I've got a bad feeling about this." They're not gonna know who those Cantina goons are. It's a nod to the fans who will appreciate it, which the filmmakers have decided is worth angering that minority who are, for some reason, so opposed to it.
 
Future PhaZe said:
No

Clone wars show is really as good as it can get for that era both in terms of painting the prequels in a better light and having good content.
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It took me a while to actually get into The Clone Wars. I felt the stories and world building were actually great, but I just couldn't accept the aesthetic they went with. Star Wars Rebels is even worse in that regard.

ThoseDeafMutes said:
Depends where you draw the line between necessary character and unnecessary cameo. CGI Leia showing up at the end was basically a fanservice money-shot. More broadly, their decision to have the ending of this film literally be the blockade runner with Leia on-board blasting off with Darth Vader watching was of questionable value.
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Probably just Vader's last hurrah, so they tried to make the most of it. Unless of course we get yet another movie in between Revenge of the Sith and Star Wars that stars mostly him. It almost comes off as yet another edit in the "special" editions.
 
EmCeeGramr said:
I also never got bothered by the supposed constant and distracted cameos I've seen people complain about. The only two that stood out were Ponda Baba and Dr. What's-his-face, and C3PO and R2, and of those it was only the former (like five seconds in a crowd scene where they bump into Jyn) that felt superfluous. Meanwhile TFA had C3PO practically photobomb the audience with an APPLAUSE PLEASE sign as he announced himself and showed off his red arm.
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Depends where you draw the line between necessary character and unnecessary cameo. CGI Leia showing up at the end was basically a fanservice money-shot. More broadly, their decision to have the ending of this film literally be the blockade runner with Leia on-board blasting off with Darth Vader watching was of questionable value.
 
The level of immersion into the star wars we knew from the OT was incredibly impressive. I mean the thing has fucking mouse droids in it for example. And the proper voice over for the rogue leader coms for example. There's a fucking male twilek in this film too. I don't really care what Lucas says about anything lately, but id pay money for a bonus feature on his thoughts about it all. He must have had multiple geek out moments. So many small details.
 
And if we're talking about characters... yes, overall the characters weren't as developed as The Force Awakens, as long as by "The Force Awakens" you mean Rey, Finn, and Kylo Ren. Outside of those three, you have Poe Dameron who is... a cool guy, I guess (he seems cool!), Hux as a... bad Nazi guy, Snoke is there for a scene, Captain Phasma is a cool Boba Fett action figure, and... well, you get to see Han and Leia be very tired, which makes sense but also takes up time that other characters could shine. Oh, and Maz is there? I liked what's-his-face with the instabread portions. Jakku junk guy. Unkar Plutt! Oh, and the Space Ethnic Mafias.


Meanwhile Rogue One has Galen Erso's dedication and sacrifice, Krennic's sad ambition that turns into an ironic fate as he's just not good enough to earn his own arrogant opinion of himself, Cassian's coldbloodedness that he comes to grips with because he doesn't want it all to be for nothing, Saw's madness, Bodhi's attempts to try to do right and be a hero the easy way by simply delivering the message, which morphs into his willingness to throw himself into mortal danger because he's fully dedicated himself, Chirrut's never breaking faith in the Force and others, Baze's cynicism but quiet compassion that ends in accepting his friend's last wish, K-2SO's wittiness and frankness which ends with his unflinching acceptance of his own impending death, etc. It feels worse than it is because Jyn goes from a standard "I don't want to fight" to "I want to fight!" after she loses two father figures in a row, which is a pretty cliche way to develop her.

I'm not saying any of them are deep, I'm just saying that for an ensemble cast it works perfectly fine even if it's not the traditional Star Wars charismatic trio.
 
I still don't understand how Disney is always brought up in Star Wars threads as if they are the ones making the movie from start to finish but I never see them mentioned like that in Marvel threads.
 
I enjoyed the movie, because it was star wars but I thought it was average. The darker tone was nice but besides Ben Mendelson I didn't really care for any of the characters, there were no amazing action set pieces and it was overly predictable.

/FREE JAR JAR
 
Might've been discussed already, but what's with the two 'rods' that Jyn carried on her back when she was disguised as an Imperial operative? I thought she'd make use of them.
 
SillyNonsense said:
Bail lives a rich and pampered life in comfort.

Obi-wan lives in a shitty hut in the desert by himself. Dude probably has no air conditioning and shriveled up like a raisin.

At least that's the only way to explain it besides 'whoops.'
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The desert climate was definitely a factor. In the Ahsoka novel, there's a brief interlude that shows Obi-wan in his hut. After meditating, he gets up and notices how rickety his knees have become, assuming it must be because the desert climate was affecting him somehow.
 
ThoseDeafMutes said:
Depends where you draw the line between necessary character and unnecessary cameo. CGI Leia showing up at the end was basically a fanservice money-shot. More broadly, their decision to have the ending of this film literally be the blockade runner with Leia on-board blasting off with Darth Vader watching was of questionable value.
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I actually loved that shot, and the ending as a whole. It made the end perfectly tie in with the beginning of ANH, which is exactly what this movie was supposed to do. Plus like, it was so short that I didn't find it that jarring. I thought the ending was perfect.

I did find the constant Tarkin shots very, very distracting. I feel that even though he was a major character, they could have done that differently to distract from the uncanny valley effect.
 
frontovik said:
Might've been discussed already, but what's with the two 'rods' that Jyn carried on her back when she was disguised as an Imperial operative? I thought she'd make use of them.
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No idea but we do know lots of stuff was changed around based on how many trailer shots didn't make it into the film. Could have been something that got cut.
 
ThoseDeafMutes said:
Depends where you draw the line between necessary character and unnecessary cameo. CGI Leia showing up at the end was basically a fanservice money-shot. More broadly, their decision to have the ending of this film literally be the blockade runner with Leia on-board blasting off with Darth Vader watching was of questionable value.
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I'm not sure it's of questionable value. I was sort of hoping they would lead directly into ANH before I saw anything about the movie. So getting that at the end was the way I expected it to end. I would have preferred it was closer to the original canon, but that's a different topic.
 
EmCeeGramr said:
Meanwhile Rogue One has Galen Erso's dedication and sacrifice, Krennic's sad ambition that turns into an ironic fate as he's just not good enough to earn his own arrogant opinion of himself, Cassian's coldbloodedness that he comes to grips with because he doesn't want it all to be for nothing, Saw's madness, Bodhi's attempts to try to do right and be a hero the easy way by simply delivering the message, which morphs into his willingness to throw himself into mortal danger because he's fully dedicated himself, Chirrut's never breaking faith in the Force and others, Baze's cynicism but quiet compassion that ends in accepting his friend's last wish, K-2SO's wittiness and frankness which ends with his unflinching acceptance of his own impending death, etc. It feels worse than it is because Jyn goes from a standard "I don't want to fight" to "I want to fight!" after she loses two father figures in a row, which is a pretty cliche way to develop her.

I'm not saying any of them are deep, I'm just saying that for an ensemble cast it works perfectly fine even if it's not the traditional Star Wars charismatic trio.
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Great post. Jyn is the only one that's a bit eh, but everyone else is so well done and the things that inspire her are so significant that it doesn't strike too much of a nerve.
 
EmCeeGramr said:
I'm not saying any of them are deep.
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Well that's good, because they are seriously as one-dimensional as you can get. You could have easily just said "big guy with a big gun that shoots stuff", "blind Asian trope master that comes to grips with his self-referentialness", "assassin who had it rough that has a heart of gold", "orphan with daddy issues that does a 180 after a few simple words", "grizzled old war vet who led an extremist group who must give a rousing battle cry and then sacrifice himself...for no reason?" etc.
 
EmCeeGramr said:
And if we're talking about characters... yes, overall the characters weren't as developed as The Force Awakens, as long as by "The Force Awakens" you mean Rey, Finn, and Kylo Ren. Outside of those three, you have Poe Dameron who is... a cool guy, I guess (he seems cool!), Hux as a... bad Nazi guy, Snoke is there for a scene, Captain Phasma is a cool Boba Fett action figure, and... well, you get to see Han and Leia be very tired, which makes sense but also takes up time that other characters could shine. Oh, and Maz is there? I liked what's-his-face with the instabread portions. Jakku junk guy. Unkar Plutt! Oh, and the Space Ethnic Mafias.


Meanwhile Rogue One has Galen Erso's dedication and sacrifice, Krennic's sad ambition that turns into an ironic fate as he's just not good enough to earn his own arrogant opinion of himself, Cassian's coldbloodedness that he comes to grips with because he doesn't want it all to be for nothing, Saw's madness, Bodhi's attempts to try to do right and be a hero the easy way by simply delivering the message, which morphs into his willingness to throw himself into mortal danger because he's fully dedicated himself, Chirrut's never breaking faith in the Force and others, Baze's cynicism but quiet compassion that ends in accepting his friend's last wish, K-2SO's wittiness and frankness which ends with his unflinching acceptance of his own impending death, etc. It feels worse than it is because Jyn goes from a standard "I don't want to fight" to "I want to fight!" after she loses two father figures in a row, which is a pretty cliche way to develop her.
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Yeah, Rogue One doesn't do as much in-depth character development as TFA, but it does enough to make me care by the end of it. Honestly, does TFA do character development THAT much better than Rogue One? Even among the three you listed, I'm still hazy on who Rey is and why Kylo turned evil. But they have the benefit of not dying at the end of their movies and it's clear they're gonna get developed further.
 
Sanctuary said:
Well that's good, because they are seriously as one-dimensional as you can get. You could have easily just said "big guy with a big gun that shoots stuff", "blind Asian trope master that comes to grip with his self-referentialness", "assassin who had it rough that has a heart of gold", "orphan with daddy issues that does a 180 after a few simple words", "grizzled old war vet who led a fringe group who must give a rousing battle cry and then sacrifice himself...for no reason?" etc.
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Yes, but I didn't say that because I didn't want to be dishonest.
 
Sanctuary said:
Well that's good, because they are seriously as one-dimensional as you can get. You could have easily just said "big guy with a big gun that shoots stuff", "blind Asian trope master that comes to grip with his self-referentialness", "assassin who had it rough that has a heart of gold", "orphan with daddy issues that does a 180 after a few simple words", "grizzled old war vet who led a fringe group who must give a rousing battle cry and then sacrifice himself...for no reason?" etc.
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You could easily say that for everyone in Star Wars.
Obi Wan is the grizzled old war vet who sacrificed himself for no reason.
Han Solo is the smuggler with a heart of gold who does a 180 after a few simple words.
Chewie is a furry sasquatch who is strong.

But hey, I'm just going off a New Hope, not the countless other Star Wars movies, novels, comics, games, etc. that further developed these character.

Emcee listed things that are actual characteristics which debunks the notion that they are defined by their weapon or occupation
 
frontovik said:
Might've been discussed already, but what's with the two 'rods' that Jyn carried on her back when she was disguised as an Imperial operative? I thought she'd make use of them.
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The outfit is for the "Imperial Ground Crew", which IRL and I assume in-universe are the guys that service aircraft, so they are likely just safety batons.
 
EmCeeGramr said:
Yes, but I didn't say that because I didn't want to be dishonest.
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There wasn't anything dishonest with what I said either. You could take literally any character from any of the movies and prop them up in a similar fashion as you did with those in this film too. Hell, I bet if you wanted, you could come up with a biography of the probe droid from The Empire Strikes back. I'm sure it had goals too.

Main issue is that when any of them die, I didn't care one bit. Except for K2, because my thoughts were "great, there goes the only interesting character".
 
McBradders said:
WHY DOES JIMMY SMITS LOOK LIKE HE HASNT AGED A DAY WHILE OBI WAN GOT HELLA FUCKING OLD?


Wake up, sheeple!
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Which is extra funny because it's supposed to have been nearly 20 years since ROTS in Rogue One yet even though Jimmy Smits is 10 years older he doesn't really look any different.
 
SuperStiltzkin said:
Look, people who are casual Star Wars filmgoers aren't gonna know about the "I've got a bad feeling about this." They're not gonna know who those Cantina goons are. It's a nod to the fans who will appreciate it, which the filmmakers have decided is worth angering that minority who are, for some reason, so opposed to it.
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I'm a casual fan. Having them stick on that shot of the cantina goons stuck out like a sore thumb. That was literally the only reason why I recognized that it was the cantina guys.

I didn't mind the "I've got a bad feeling about this" however
 
EmCeeGramr said:
I also never got bothered by the supposed constant and distracted cameos I've seen people complain about. The only two that stood out were Ponda Baba and Dr. What's-his-face, and C3PO and R2, and of those it was only the former (like five seconds in a crowd scene where they bump into Jyn) that felt superfluous. Meanwhile TFA had C3PO practically photobomb the audience with an APPLAUSE PLEASE sign as he announced himself and showed off his red arm.
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I feel quite the opposite. C-3P0 photobombing Princess Leia feels perfect for the lovable bumbling idiot that is C-3P0. The joke of not recognizing him because of the red arm was also much funnier than whatever he said in Rogue One.
 
frontovik said:
Might've been discussed already, but what's with the two 'rods' that Jyn carried on her back when she was disguised as an Imperial operative? I thought she'd make use of them.
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I thought they were 'landing wands', as in she stole the outfit of a landing signal officer?
 
Sanctuary said:
There wasn't anything dishonest with what I said either. You could take literally any character from any of the movies and prop them up in a similar fashion as you did with those in this film too. Hell, I bet if you wanted, you could come up with a biography of the probe droid from The Empire Strikes back. I'm sure it had goals too.
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Okay it's a zero sum game?

But those of us who liked these characters aren't grasping at straws to define them.
 
Saw this today and I enjoyed it overall. It started out a little bit slow but once things ramped up they stayed there. I really liked the characters, it was kind of a shame to see them killed off, but at the same time I can't see what else they could do with them so maybe it was best to let them go in a blaze of glory.

I did cringe a bit at seeing C3P0 and R2D2 though. Seemed utterly pointless just throwing them in there to do absolutely nothing. At least Tarkin and Leia made sense and had a purpose being there. I didn't even mind the cantina duo being there (Though it does seem weird they'd be there when the city got destroyed shortly after and as near as I could tell there wasn't exactly a thriving spaceport around), but the C3P0 and R2D2 bit just seemed too forced.
 
Voras said:
Which is extra funny because it's supposed to have been nearly 20 years since ROTS in Rogue One yet even though Jimmy Smits is 10 years older he doesn't really look any different.
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Best part is that I believe Smits is around the same age Alec Guinness was during A New Hope
 
Ishida said:
Ah for sure. But just imagine what it would feel to watch a family member that died more than 20 years ago 'acting' once again on screen.

It must be a very weird feeling.
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http://variety.com/2016/film/news/rogue-one-peter-cushing-digital-resurrection-cgi-1201943759/
It was so impressive, in fact, that Cushing’s former secretary — Joyce Broughton, who oversees his estate and attended the film’s London premiere with her grandchildren — was taken aback emotionally when she saw the creation on screen.

“When you’re with somebody for 35 years, what do you expect?” Broughton says. “I can’t say any more because I get very upset about it. He was the most beautiful man. He had his own private way of living.”
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JoshuaJSlone said:
http://variety.com/2016/film/news/rogue-one-peter-cushing-digital-resurrection-cgi-1201943759/
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