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Rogue One: A Star Wars Story |OT| They rebel - SPOILERS

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Has anyone watched the Half in the Bag review? The criticism on CG Tarkin had me weak lol.

https://youtu.be/Kc2kFk5M9x4?t=15m57s


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frontovik said:
Might've been discussed already, but what's with the two 'rods' that Jyn carried on her back when she was disguised as an Imperial operative? I thought she'd make use of them.
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Those are landing rods. You see an empiral using them when Rogue One lands. Same things as a air craft traffic control runway person would use.
 
EmCeeGramr said:
It's a good movie! I liked The Force Awakens and got annoyed by all of the internet hyperbole about "plot holes" that all turned out to be people basically upset that a Star Wars movie is an adventure film or asking a movie to spell out everything directly. That said, it has some serious issues with its plot (and how much a lot of stuff gets retreaded) that would require you to basically rewrite large chunks of the movie.

Rogue One kept getting better and better as it went along, and by the end of it I was really upset to see the main cast slowly get picked off as I realized just how dire the situation was, and the final escape of the Tantive IV felt like a totally earned moment. The Death Star was the most chilling and threatening incarnation of a superweapon in these films to date (the destruction on Jedha was astonishing), the battles were great (the X-Wing bombing sequence on Eadu is way better than the attack on... whatever the planet was that Maz's castle was called, and the Scarif battle is probably the best in the series and makes the trench run attack on Starkiller Base look amateurish). The biggest problem with Rogue One is that Jyn's character development felt a bit abrupt even if makes sense, and the early jumping around in dark locations is a bit disorienting. But at the same time it accomplishes its goals of making the Star Wars universe feel much bigger, and even does it while using many of the same elements of the first movie which is a fantastic feat, which kinda makes TFA look worse now in comparison when it's set 30 years later but the Stormtroopers and X-Wings have different lines and paint jobs.


I also never got bothered by the supposed constant and distracted cameos I've seen people complain about. The only two that stood out were Ponda Baba and Dr. What's-his-face, and C3PO and R2, and of those it was only the former (like five seconds in a crowd scene where they bump into Jyn) that felt superfluous. Meanwhile TFA had C3PO practically photobomb the audience with an APPLAUSE PLEASE sign as he announced himself and showed off his red arm.
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Can always count on you for lucid analysis. Both Rogue One and The Force Awakens are fine films. On balance, they end up roughly equal in quality - taking into account their respective successses and deficiencies - and should leave fans fairly optimistic that the different flavours of Star Wars are in competent hands going forward.

Do you miss that patented Star Warsian whimsy and mythmaking when watching Rogue One? Pop The Force Awakens on instead. Do you prefer your characters to be more naturalistic and morally grey? Go and watch Rogue One. Are you simply a masochist with questionable taste? The prequels have got your back. Variety is the spice of life, people!
 
Bucket Mouse said:
Can always count on you for lucid analysis. Both Rogue One and The Force Awakens are fine films. On balance, they end up roughly equal in quality - taking into account their respective successses and deficiencies - and should leave fans fairly optimistic that the different flavours of Star Wars are in competent hands going forward.
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I agree with the first part. For the latter, Rogue One questioned the many competent hands which were all over this film.
 
I actually really liked the characters in Rogue One because, even though we didn't get to spend a lot of time with them, I still felt the impact the war had on them.

I think this movie needed to be made because we really were missing a big budget production about the soldiers in the war, rather than just having Chosen Ones every movie.

It really opens up the opportunity to have a variety of genres in this universe. You'll still get your bi-annual regular adventure feel Star Wars where a Death Star clone can blow away five planets and kill trillions of people, and everyone moves on quickly and has a laugh, but there was totally a place to have a slightly more mature, maybe more sad take on the universe and I'm glad Rogue One fills that.

I hope that Han Solo movie goes for something different as well.
 
I'm kind of baffled by complaints about the characters being boring, so half the point of the RLM review just doesn't even connect with me. The other part, that they want things to be fun and witty and like every other Star Wars, seems to miss the point, and they even acknowledge that in their review.

They talk about how it would have been better to have some kind of Oceans 11 kind of movie with clever elite spies, and that could have been fun, but I appreciate that this was about the unknowns, the little guy, the grunts on the ground who are the silent heroes. Oceans 11 doesn't make sense for the Rebellion at this time. It needs to be a ragtag band barely held together. I'm glad it was more of a war movie than a heist movie. That's something the franchise has needed for ages and we finally got it, and it was done in a way that really enriched the war surrounding the saga.
 
sphagnum said:
I'm kind of baffled by complaints about the characters being boring, so half the point of the RLM review just doesn't even connect with me. The other part, that they want things to be fun and witty and like every other Star Wars, seems to miss the point, and they even acknowledge that in their review.

They talk about how it would have been better to have some kind of Oceans 11 kind of movie with clever elite spies, and that could have been fun, but I appreciate that this was about the unknowns, the little guy, the grunts on the ground who are the silent heroes. Oceans 11 doesn't make sense for the Rebellion at this time. It needs to be a ragtag band barely held together. I'm glad it was more of a war movie than a heist movie. That's something the franchise has needed for ages and we finally got it, and it was done in a way that really enriched the war surrounding the saga.
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The comparison isn't wrong. Rogue One obviously tried to ape Seven Samurai/Magnificent Seven, but along the way seemed to forget they were doing this.
 
zeemumu said:
Yeah that Half in the Bag review's intro is a little much.
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Is it wrong though? Heres what is being discussed in this thread: Vader. The Death Star. A space battle with X Wings, TIEs and Star Destroyers. Tarkin and Leia. Bothans. A land battle with AT ATs. Mustafar. The reshoots and production drama.

The only time the new elements actually come up are in the view of how underdeveloped the new characters are.
 
golem said:
Is it wrong though? Heres what is being discussed in this thread: Vader. The Death Star. A space battle with X Wings, TIEs and Star Destroyers. Tarkin and Leia. Bothans. A land battle with AT ATs. Mustafar. The reshoots and production drama.

The only time the new elements actually come up are in the view of how underdeveloped the new characters are.
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But at the same time, if you add new stuff in a movie whose timeline is so close to the original's that it literally ends where the first one starts, you're gonna have to explain where all this new stuff went. That's partially why I knew that most of them would have to die by the end of it.

SuperStiltzkin said:
No one clapped in my showing. But I went to a 10pm 3D showing on a thursday so only 15 other people were in there with us.
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No one clapped in my showing either, which is an improvement over the Batman v. Superman showing that I went to where these stupid-ass teenagers found out that they could get the rest of the theater to clap at random moments if they started clapping, and then heavily abused that power for the rest of the film.

Kalentan said:
What? That was in character of Vader to say.
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I think that's something that I'd expect of the emperor.
 
golem said:
Is it wrong though? Heres what is being discussed in this thread: Vader. The Death Star. A space battle with X Wings, TIEs and Star Destroyers. Tarkin and Leia. Bothans. A land battle with AT ATs. Mustafar. The reshoots and production drama.

The only time the new elements actually come up are in the view of how underdeveloped the new characters are.
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Don't think there's anything wrong with that. Those are huge parts of the movie and people are bringing them up to criticize them just like the characters.

This thread is just a back and forth between people who liked the movie and didn't. So of course people are arguing about whether the characters are underdeveloped because it's a main argument being fought. Plenty of arguments are being made for them.
 
Saw it last night.
Highly entertaining and definitely one of the better SW movies. I still think I liked TFA more but only because it was a long awaited return to the SW universe.

Liked the cameo of the bar dudes that luke runs into at Mos Eisley. Thought the Artoo and Threepio cameo was unnecessary.

Ending was a bit abrupt, didn't really need that CGI Leia imo.

But I did love the action, the characters (even if some are shallow) and the cinematography (because it does look amazing).

Only thing I kinda disliked was Vader's lines...
I think Vader in the old movies sounds sinister, slowly creeping speech mingled with the slow breathing. But here it was like he was spitfiring that speech to Krennic and it sounded off to me.
 
golem said:
Is it wrong though? Heres what is being discussed in this thread: Vader. The Death Star. A space battle with X Wings, TIEs and Star Destroyers. Tarkin and Leia. Bothans. A land battle with AT ATs. Mustafar. The reshoots and production drama.

The only time the new elements actually come up are in the view of how underdeveloped the new characters are.
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Why shouldn't people be happy about great execution with Vader or an amazingly well done final battle? If they slapped Vader in it but he was disappointing, people would complain (see Episode III). Vader himself does not automatically garner praise.

And there's been plenty of talk about Cassian's morality, Krennic and Galen, Chirrut and Baze, Saw's weirdness, etc. The characters didn't work for everyone but for a lot of people they did. We all rave about the spectacle because it's the first and most obvious thing to comment on and something we can all agree on.
 
zeemumu said:
But at the same time, if you add new stuff in a movie whose timeline is so close to the original's that it literally ends where the first one starts, you're gonna have to explain where all this new stuff went. That's partially why I knew that most of them would have to die by the end of it.
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It doesnt mean we can't have some awesome moments with these characters while they were alive. The most memorable moment in the film is from a character that is 40 years old.

I didnt walk out of TFA thinking Han Solo stole the show
 
zeemumu said:
But at the same time, if you add new stuff in a movie whose timeline is so close to the original's that it literally ends where the first one starts, you're gonna have to explain where all this new stuff went. That's partially why I knew that most of them would have to die by the end of it.
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I don't think this is true. I totally expected 2-3 people to die, and everyone else to barely make it out. I expected the main characters to basically say "fuck it, we paid our dues" after the mission and bailed out of the alliance and empire forever to settle somewhere. The fact that everyone actually died definitely took me by surprise. It's the right choice, but not one I expect for a franchise movie.
 
was watching with family, and i'd known a few spoilers


upon getting out of the theater, my mom hit me for going in knowing they would all die and not tellling her
 
duckroll said:
I don't think this is true. I totally expected 2-3 people to die, and everyone else to barely make it out. I expected the main characters to basically say "fuck it, we paid our dues" after the mission and bailed out of the alliance and empire forever to settle somewhere. The fact that everyone actually died definitely took me by surprise. It's the right choice, but not one I expect for a franchise movie.
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Even the team sent to retrieve information on the 2nd Death Star are basically implied to have all died.

golem said:
It doesnt mean we can't have some awesome moments with these characters while they were alive. The most memorable moment in the film is from a character that is 40 years old.

I didnt walk out of TFA thinking Han Solo stole the show
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But I don't think that it's necessary to bag on the movie for having so much of the old stuff. It's not starting a new journey like TFA. It's setting up the old one.
 
duckroll said:
I don't think this is true. I totally expected 2-3 people to die, and everyone else to barely make it out. I expected the main characters to basically say "fuck it, we paid our dues" after the mission and bailed out of the alliance and empire forever to settle somewhere. The fact that everyone actually died definitely took me by surprise. It's the right choice, but not one I expect for a franchise movie.
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Yar, the majority of them aren't even in the Alliance. Chirrut could have just wander off somewhere as nonchalantly as he wandered in.
 
Theslammer said:
I mean, he's father to Princess Leia and a big part of the Rebellion. Why wouldn't he be in this movie?
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Sorry, don't follow this stuff that closely. I watched the prequels, and then wrote it all off and moved on. I didn't even make the connection between Leia and him....that's how not closely I paid attention.
 
zeemumu said:
But I don't think that it's necessary to bag on the movie for having so much of the old stuff. It's not starting a new journey like TFA. It's setting up the old one.
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When the old comes at the expense of the new I think it is worth criticizing.
 
RLM is completely wrong on this film. They called the last two minutes of this film embarrassing which is mind blowingly bad as far as opinions go.
 
golem said:
When the old comes at the expense of the new I think it is worth criticizing.
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Like what? We got new storm troopers, new ships, new planets, new vehicles, new bases, new weapons, new characters.

I'd argue the only time the old cannibalizes the new is with Tarkin and Krennic. Seemed like they were afraid of making Krennic too powerful and intimidating of a villain because it might diminish Tarkin and Vader's presence/role.
 
btrboyev said:
RLM is completely wrong on this film. They called the last two minutes of this film embarrassing which is mind blowingly bad as far as opinions go.
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It seems hypocritical to rag on Rogue One for fan service and elements from the Original Trilogy, but then forgive Force Awakens for having a "CLAP" moment every fifteen minutes (Falcon, Han and Chewie, Leia, Threepio, Artoo, Luke, etc.) Honestly Force Awakens was waaaay more guilty of this, Rogue One at least takes place immediately before A New Hope, so the classic elements aren't just expected, they HAVE to be there.
 
I saw the late show last night and I really liked it. Maybe a bit more than TFA but TFA had more developed characters. Rogue One definitely left me feeling interested in future side stories.

I also liked Vader in this and had no problem with his pun. I think his sequence at the end was baller
 
btrboyev said:
RLM is completely wrong on this film. They called the last two minutes of this film embarrassing which is mind blowingly bad as far as opinions go.
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It's really cringey/eyerolley. It's as bad as the last minutes of Episode 3 where everyone is conveniently shipped off to the planets that they'll live on for the next 18 years.
 
As far as tone goes, they missed a big opportunity with Chirrut. He should have been funny, and there are a few hints of it, but I wonder if it was cut, rewrote, or was just an accident. He's the archetypal kung-fu master who's always ahead of you. He should have been witty, always confident and smiling even in the worst situation because he isn't "attached" to his physical self. He's the one that should have had a quiet moment with Jyn to re-align her with doing the right thing and all that. When he would have died it would have been after saying an uplifting and witty throwback line to his partner.

I also agree with Mike from RLM that early on they should have taken more time to establish a relation between Jyn and her father.

Still loved the movie, less plot problems than TFA although TFA still has a more interest plot overall.
 
golem said:
When the old comes at the expense of the new I think it is worth criticizing.
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I don't think it did at all. I loved seeing old stuff like the Death Star and X-Wings and AT-STs because they were shown in new lights that worked well in a more action focused war movie-like portrayal (I loved seeing AT-STs being used in a city, AT-ATs being taken down without the ol' harpoon and tow cables, the Death Star appearing in the sky "upside down" is chilling, Vader as what he would look like to a random rebel and not another lightsaber wielding Force user, etc.)

Meanwhile, I loved K-2SO and his design and attitude, I loved Baze mowing down fools, I liked shit like Cassian having some fucked up laser sniper rifle with a grainy ass scope and how he was willing to destroy fools, I loved how messed up Saw looked and sounded (oh, and his one bro who had the sick mask like Plo Koon but was some other species), Chirrut's constant smiling and the "Are you kidding me? I'm blind!" joke with the sack and his walk to the control panel and his view of the Force as a non-Jedi, Mads Mikkelsen's delivery was awesome, etc.

I never felt this "encroaching" that supposedly happened in this film.
 
firehawk12 said:
It's really cringey/eyerolley. It's as bad as the last minutes of Episode 3 where everyone is conveniently shipped off to the planets that they'll live on for the next 18 years.
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Speaking of Episode 3, did anyone else think it was a huge missed opportunity that Vader didn't go "NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!" like in Ep3, when he was standing at the empty cargo hold watching the ship take off with the plans?

:)

:)

......

no one?

:(
 
duckroll said:
Speaking of Episode 3, did anyone else think it was a huge missed opportunity that Vader didn't go "NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!" like in Ep3, when he was standing at the empty cargo hold watching the ship take off with the plans?

:)

:)

......

no one?

:(
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I hope they add that in the Special Edition. I would like to see people cry. :p
 
duckroll said:
Speaking of Episode 3, did anyone else think it was a huge missed opportunity that Vader didn't go "NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!" like in Ep3, when he was standing at the empty cargo hold watching the ship take off with the plans?

:)

:)

......

no one?

:(
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That could be a hilarious fan edit / YouTube video, get on that when the blu ray comes out.
 
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