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Rogue One: A Star Wars Story |OT| They rebel - SPOILERS

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Seeing how many shots were cut from the early trailers, I'm kind of baffled as to why they left in the part where Forrest Whittaker sics a space octopus on the Pilot guy. It just feels so out of place. I mean, it establishes Whittaker as being a bit nuts and paranoid, but considering he dies two scenes later it really seems unnecessary. Same with the idea of the Pilot 'losing his mind'; he gets better almost immediately and then it's never brought up again. Why do you need the mind reading tentacle monster?

Scrooge McDuck said:
Especially since those sword-things are actually just aircraft signal batons, haha.
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After she randomly kung fu'd those Stormtroopers with a baton on Jedha I was ready for anything :P
 
-griffy- said:
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(let me know if this is cool, found the scene on YouTube)
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Why didn't Vader just use the force to retrieve the plans? Could have saved us like 4 movies.
 
Mush said:
Why didn't Vader just use the force to retrieve the plans? Could have saved us like 4 movies.
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I think he was enjoying letting the rage out for a change. Doesn't seem like he gets to do that often. I believe he found hunting prey to be deeply satisfying in that scene. I couldn't even be mad. Plus, the situation looked fully under his control.
 
firehawk12 said:
I assume the design is inspired by WW2 carrier aircraft, which had folded wings in order to store more of them on a ship.
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Folding wings is just A Thing in Star Wars now. X and B wings also have foldy-bits for no reason. They kind of pretend like X wings spread open for maneuverability and lock tight for aerodynamic travel but... there's no air in space and those wings aren't even air foils so.

Why does the Imperial Shuttle have wings that fold down below the fuselage? How has anyone ever survived a crash landing in that thing. Or even landed st all if the foldy-mechanism malfunctions!

Who cares, looks dope.
 
Overall an unenthusiastic thumbs-up, but nothing particularly special. 6/10.

I liked the opening scene. Ben Mendelsohn's character, that re-programmed droid, the new ships, the look and feel of the universe, both vader scenes.

I didn't particularly like the main character, the 'bar thugs' cameo, the death troopers aiming ability, the fact that the droid turned out to be 'the terminator' when necessary, the general 'call of duty' feel of the battle, how quickly and easily the at-at's went down, the planet shield.
 
Brakke said:
Folding wings is just A Thing in Star Wars now. X and B wings also have foldy-bits for no reason. They kind of pretend like X wings spread open for maneuverability and lock tight for aerodynamic travel but... there's no air in space and those wings aren't even air foils so.

Why does the Imperial Shuttle have wings that fold down below the fuselage? How has anyone ever survived a crash landing in that thing. Or even landed st all if the foldy-mechanism malfunctions!

Who cares, looks dope.
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I don't care if it makes sense but I was wondering what the in fiction reason was like the X-Wing's manoeuvrability. I couldn't figure it out through watching the film.
 
But why do you think there is an in-universe explanation? Most of that shit is retcons in cross-section style art books released after the fact anyway.
 
You know what, the movie was pretty enjoyable reflecting back on it. Just wish they fleshed out the characters a little bit more, particularly Felicity Jones' character.
 
MilkyJoe said:
Because if he was concentrating on sucking those plans out of that dudes hands he probably would have got shot to shit?
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It still boggles my mind why people think about stuff like this. Did it really seem like that's all he needed to do? a dozen guys in a corridor are there, the front half are shooting you, what do you do? you wreck them, starting from the front.

Not to mention, he may not have seen the plans in the last guys hands, or maybe not even know what they were.

And of course, the MOST important point - if he could do that, and DID do that, there would be no more Star Wars Stories.

At that point you might as well say stupid stuff like, why didn't the Death Star just hyper space around another angle and blow Yavin IV, or blow up the planet it was orbiting. Yes, you can make up excuses like, to turn around would require more time, or they can't recharge between blasts that quickly....this is ALL fiction, they're stories. You can ask "Why this" and "why not that" until the cows come home, and it's pointless.

I get it...it's fun to discuss this stuff, but those kinds of questions should only pop up if you really didn't find that sequence of events compelling or believable. IT was fine.
 
mrkgoo said:
It still boggles my mind why people think about stuff like this. Did it really seem like that's all he needed to do? a dozen guys in a corridor are there, the front half are shooting you, what do you do? you wreck them, starting from the front.

Not to mention, he may not have seen the plans in the last guys hands, or maybe not even know what they were.

And of course, the MOST important point - if he could do that, and DID do that, there would be no more Star Wars Stories.

At that point you might as well say stupid stuff like, why didn't the Death Star just hyper space around another angle and blow Yavin IV, or blow up the planet it was orbiting. Yes, you can make up excuses like, to turn around would require more time, or they can't recharge between blasts that quickly....this is ALL fiction, they're stories. You can ask "Why this" and "why not that" until the cows come home, and it's pointless.

I get it...it's fun to discuss this stuff, but those kinds of questions should only pop up if you really didn't find that sequence of events compelling or believable. IT was fine.
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Correct-a-mondo
 
The Vader scene makes more sense now that redlettermedia pointed out that people in the US clap for stuff in the cinema. There was no audience reaction when I watched it, so the scene did feel very fanservicey and a bit unnecessary.
 
Katzenjammer said:
The Vader scene makes more sense now that redlettermedia pointed out that people in the US clap for stuff in the cinema. There was no audience reaction when I watched it, so the scene did feel very fanservicey and a bit unnecessary.
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Why would people clap for that? Shit looks like a scene straight out of a horror film. My audience didnt clap for that scene, they did after the film was finished tho.
 
Katzenjammer said:
The Vader scene makes more sense now that redlettermedia pointed out that people in the US clap for stuff in the cinema. There was no audience reaction when I watched it, so the scene did feel very fanservicey and a bit unnecessary.
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Just saw the movie tonight. Wait, people are complaining about the vader seen? the excellent scene that ties directly into a new hope?
 
boneyjangles said:
Overall an unenthusiastic thumbs-up, but nothing particularly special. 6/10.

I liked the opening scene. Ben Mendelsohn's character, that re-programmed droid, the new ships, the look and feel of the universe, both vader scenes.

I didn't particularly like the main character, the 'bar thugs' cameo, the death troopers aiming ability, the fact that the droid turned out to be 'the terminator' when necessary, the general 'call of duty' feel of the battle, how quickly and easily the at-at's went down, the planet shield.
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The ATs were cargo carriers that were lightly armed + armoured, not the ESB ones.

I think.

Edit: Not sure how people equate US clapping meaning the Vader scene was designed to evoke that and thus fan service-y. Of course it was fan service, but it's not something we'd seen before in live action SW and hardly un-necessary because it services his role in ANH. Also having seen it at the BFI IMAX in London...people did clap after that + the credits. Kinda weird :P

The C3P0 + R2D2 stuff felt un-necessary and so did the Mos Eisley thugs (who i didn't even recognize at first). There was logic to the droids being on Yavin but it wasn't needed.
 
The One and Done™;226902063 said:
Yes! With Ewan reprising his role! It could be like a stealth suspense horror film. With Vader as Vorhees, mowing down Jedi opposition as Obi Wan does his best to stay hidden while stealthly fighting back in some way.

I feel like there is so much story there to tell between ROTS and RO.
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Nah, screw that. I want Obi-Wan of Tatooine. A movie of just Obi-Wan hiding out on Tatooine trying to live a secluded secret life but local troubles and his Jedi Code causes him to get involved in small local dispute, likely protecting a bunch of villagers from sand people. It'd just be a movie of him traveling the desert rallying a bunch of farmers to fight off sand people or some local Hutt trying to shake them down.

He only uses his lightsaber at the very end and makes the villagers swear not to tell about it as payment after he's won and to maybe look out after the Beru farm.
 
Back-In-Black said:
Nah, screw that. I want Obi-Wan of Tatooine. A movie of just Obi-Wan hiding out on Tatooine trying to live a secluded secret life but local troubles and his Jedi Code causes him to get involved in small local dispute, likely protecting a bunch of villagers from sand people. It'd just be a movie of him traveling the desert rallying a bunch of farmers to fight off sand people or some local Hutt trying to shake them down.

He only uses his lightsaber at the very end and makes the villagers swear not to tell about it as payment after he's won and to maybe look out after the Beru farm.
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The more I think about an Obi-Wan film I feel it could be so cool but then do I really want 2hrs + of desert vistas? Surprise me, Lucasfilm....
 
Fliesen said:
most likely test footage, never meant to be in the film :P

I mean, they could have had gotten a visual scan of the Death Star when they escaped from Jedha.
A hologram is pretty much just a 'photo' after all.
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People have been saying that but I don't for a second believe it, the cost of all those supposed "test" footage would have been staggering. You don't stage a full on battle sequence complete with explosions and pretty much fully done CG AT-ATs and TIE fighters just for some "test footage." Something got substantially reworked regarding the script and this caused a lot of reshoots.

BossDarkseid said:
The more I think about an Obi-Wan film I feel it could be so cool but then do I really want 2hrs + of desert vistas? Surprise me, Lucasfilm....
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Lol, have you ever seen Lawrence of Arabia? That's what I want, an Obi-Wan movie of that.
 
Fliesen said:
most likely test footage, never meant to be in the film :P

I mean, they could have had gotten a visual scan of the Death Star when they escaped from Jedha.
A hologram is pretty much just a 'photo' after all.
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Yeah, but whole conflict of the meeting was that a lot of people didn't believe the stories about the death star. A hologram would shut them up and force the rebels to send their entire fleet to the fight from the start. That might be why they removed this, to make it more believable that some rebels didn't want to fight.
 
Back-In-Black said:
People have been saying that but I don't for a second believe it, the cost of all those supposed "test" footage would have been staggering. You don't stage a full on battle sequence complete with explosions and pretty much fully done CG AT-ATs and TIE fighters just for some "test footage." Something got substantially reworked regarding the script and this caused a lot of reshoots.



Lol, have you ever seen Lawrence of Arabia? That's what I want, an Obi-Wan movie of that.
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I have :P I liked it, and when you put it like that it does sound awfully tempting.
 
Why the fuck do people want an Ewan McGregor movie? Have people already forgotten what a terrible actor he was in the prequels?

The reason why the new movies (esp Rogue One) are better is because of the 50x better and more natural acting.

I can still play in my mind Ewan's scenes in the prequels and am gagging.
 
Brakke said:
But why do you think there is an in-universe explanation? Most of that shit is retcons in cross-section style art books released after the fact anyway.
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Because it made sense in the other films? The vehicles transformed for combat or landing. I don't think that happened with the U-Wing so I was confused but whatever, like you said it ultimately doesn't matter.
 
Sanjuro said:
RLM's review is amazing, and I'm only a couple minutes in.

Did you clap??
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I laughed inside, because it pretty much mirrored everything I had an issue with. Aside from of course:

peanutbutterlatte said:
"Be careful you don't choke on your aspirations"

Piss. Right. Off.
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Ether_Snake said:
Probably people who saw too much Star Wars outside the OT movies. That line was typical Vader.
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You guys can keep trying really hard to justify that line, but it was so out of place. The intent was 100% Vader sure. The execution was horribly off though and written for modern audiences. It was about as bad as how most AAA games insist that modern gamers are just too stupid to know what to do without a bunch of arrows and flashing signs telling them exactly what to do.

Also, the irony is, I pretty much stick with the OT over anything else Star Wars related. I've seen each of the prequels twice as well as The Force Awakens, and have probably seen each of the OT films fifteen to twenty times, with Star Wars being watched overall the most. I saw this shit at the drive in theater on my birthday when I was five years old, and pretty much saw them annually at least once for the most part until the prequels. I also know how to keep everything from the comics, as well as any of the video games separate, because they were never canon.

Korey said:
Why the fuck do people want an Ewan McGregor movie? Have people already forgotten what a terrible actor he was in the prequels?

The reason why the new movies (esp Rogue One) are better is because of the 50x better and more natural acting.

I can still play in my mind Ewan's scenes in the prequels and am gagging.
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What? He was absolutely the only thing good acting wise in the prequels. It wasn't even necessarily the actors faults either, but McGregor was able to add charisma on top of the same wooden performances everyone else gave.
 
Korey said:
Why the fuck do people want an Ewan McGregor movie? Have people already forgotten what a terrible actor he was in the prequels?

The reason why the new movies (esp Rogue One) are better is because of the 50x better and more natural acting.

I can still play in my mind Ewan's scenes in the prequels and am gagging.
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Even people who hate every single second of the prequels like Ewan's Obi-Wan.
 
Einchy said:
Even people who hate every single second of the prequels like Ewan's Obi-Wan.
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I can confirm, because I'm one of those people. E McG is one of the only parts of those movies that's genuinely enjoyable to watch, alongside Sheev hamming it up. If the fact that McGregor managed to play a charismatic and likable character even with the atrocious dialogue Lucas wrote for him isn't a perfect testament to his white hot acting talent, I don't know what is.
 
Korey said:
Why the fuck do people want an Ewan McGregor movie? Have people already forgotten what a terrible actor he was in the prequels?

The reason why the new movies (esp Rogue One) are better is because of the 50x better and more natural acting.

I can still play in my mind Ewan's scenes in the prequels and am gagging.
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He's a good actor. Lackluster prequel performance can in part be blamed on the writer and director.

i.e. George Lucas.
 
Korey said:
Why the fuck do people want an Ewan McGregor movie? Have people already forgotten what a terrible actor he was in the prequels?

The reason why the new movies (esp Rogue One) are better is because of the 50x better and more natural acting.

I can still play in my mind Ewan's scenes in the prequels and am gagging.
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Ewan McGregor and Ian McDiarmid are basically the only two actors in the prequels doing good work.
 
Korey said:
You really want more of this shit? O_O

https://youtu.be/8hy-IT4zbPg?t=41s
https://youtu.be/MT86esmL138?t=57s
https://youtu.be/MT86esmL138?t=3m23s

That style of acting (or whatever that is) is completely out of place in the new movies.

I swear Star Wars fans are crazy lol.
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Blame the script. The prequels had a ton of great actors and pretty much gave them shitty dialogue to work with. McGregor is a fine actor and made the best of his Obi-Wan. If he is given a good script and director, he'll be great I think.

McGregor, Portman, Jackson, Christopher Lee. Those movies had great actors, but were given nothing to work with.
 
Korey said:
You really want more of this shit? O_O

https://youtu.be/8hy-IT4zbPg?t=41s
https://youtu.be/MT86esmL138?t=57s
https://youtu.be/MT86esmL138?t=3m23s

That style of acting (or whatever that is) is completely out of place in the new movies.

I swear Star Wars fans are crazy lol.
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What exactly are you trying to show, that Ewan McGregor is a great actor? Hayden and Lucas' writing bring those movies down, but Ewan despite the writing, still manages to make his character work.
 
Back-In-Black said:
What exactly are you trying to show, that Ewan McGregor is a great actor? Hayden and Lucas' writing bring those movies down, but Ewan despite the writing, still manages to make his character work.
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Yeah, no idea what kind of crazy pills this person takes, or what school for bad actors they attend, but their opinion is just baffling. Or maybe they've just somehow managed to let Hayden's awful performance contaminate what they remember, with what actually happened.

Sanjuro said:
I still think Vader was fine. His voice sounded old, but I don't think many people would have had it any other way.

He still sounds menacing.
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I wasn't talking about his voice at all, even though it's already been mentioned numerous times in this thread how off it sounded. It probably was mostly just age, but it could have also been the effect used as well. Regardless, I don't really understand the bolded comment. Best case scenario would have been that his voice matched what was in the OT. That, I'm sure is what most people would have preferred.
 
They did NOT need to show Leia's face, especially how fucked up it looks. Just a shot from the back would have been enough of a tease. Damn that moment bugged me.
 
Jill Sandwich said:
They did NOT need to show Leia's face, especially how fucked up it looks. Just a shot from the back would have been enough of a tease. Damn that moment bugged me.
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That's precisely what I said last night to the person watching with me. Leia's CGI took me completely out of that scene. They should have just shown her from the back and then cut away. It went from 'oh shiiiit....it's LEIA!!!' to 'Oh shiiittt it's Leia......uh ok that looked a bit creepy." Leia's ANH costume is so iconic that the image of her from the back would have provided the proper nerd-gasm without showing her face.
 
Sanctuary said:
I wasn't talking about his voice at all, even though it's already been mentioned numerous times in this thread how off it sounded. It probably was mostly just age, but it could have also been the effect used as well. Regardless, I don't really understand the bolded comment. Best case scenario would have been that his voice matched what was in the OT. That, I'm sure is what most people would have preferred.
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I personally didn't think his tone was off as much as the delivery of certain lines. It sounded like someone doing a very convincing James Earl Jones impression. Wasn't enough to take me out of the scene, but definitely noticeable.
 
I like Ewan McGregor and he is obviously a great actor in other films, but his Obi Wan is overrated. Script aside, his performance style doesn't remind me of a young Alec Guinness and on top of that his Guinness impression is merely passable (it's not like it's a particularly difficult voice to impersonate either). Just because he gave one of the "better" performances in the prequels doesn't make it a good Obi Wan.

Back-In-Black said:
Lol, have you ever seen Lawrence of Arabia? That's what I want, an Obi-Wan movie of that.
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