Rogue One: A Star Wars Story |OT| They rebel - SPOILERS

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Migrant said:
I saw this last week and I have to say I didn't like it anywhere near as much as I thought I would. I feel like there is a good movie in here somewhere, but it didn't make it to the big screen. The characters were all pretty forgettable and the pacing was just ridiculous, especially in the first half hour. I'm honestly not sure why Saw Gerrera was in the movie, all the scenes with him just felt like a complete waste..
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IMO if you took out the Saw Gerrera plotline, you could run with this:

- Jyn gets the message from Bodhi on Jedha
- She's captured along with Bodhi and thrown in prison
- Cassian shows up to spring them, having caught wind of the leak
- They get caught up in the middle of a battle between Imperials and insurgents on Jedha when trying to escape
- Movie proceeds more or less as it did originally

That'd cut out a lot of the fat in the opening hour.
 
Theslammer said:
There really wasn't ham-fisted about it. At the end of ROTS, everything is tidied up to look like it did 20 years later. At the end of Rogue One, it's set up to look like it did 30 minutes later. After they get the plans, it doesn't take much to have it end before ANH begins.
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Leia and Antilles claim they're on a diplomatic mission, like they didn't participate in a major assault on an imperial base just minutes earlier. Like the Empire didn't just watch them escape! I'm sure there other inconsistencies too, but that's enough for me. Rogue One and ANH don't make sense together. They just don't. If people want to justify this schlock by saying it makes for a more exciting movie this way, fine. Whatever. People think the end of RotS is amazing, so clearly no one gives a shit about Star Wars making any goddamn sense. Just gimmie them lightsabers bruh.
 
Empire Strikes Back
New Hope
Return of the Jedi
Phantom Menace or TFA (TBD)
Revenge of the Sith
Attack of the Clones or Rogue One (TBD)

One thing I liked about this that I didn't mention yet though was that the diverse cast felt pretty natural. They let them all speak in their accents which was cool. Made the rebel alliance feel more universal than it ever has. Riz Ahmed is a good actor I like seeing him pop up more and Donnie Yen needs more shine in hollywood action too.
 
Eidan said:
Yeah, that's a pretty shit ranking if there ever was one, but I expect nothing less from the man who considers Batman v. Superman to be a great film.
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I never called it great, I think highest I could rate it would be 6 or 7. But if your trash opinions are not in line with mine though it makes me feel pretty secure in my taste
 
I haven't watched the prequels, but for me:

The sequels including ep.7 and rogue one are tied for all just being great and enjoyable movies. For me, tanking would be a disservice.
 
Haloid1177 said:
He didn't put the worst prequel in front of ROTJ. That's an unforgivable offense.
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He can't decide if TPM is better than TFA or not which is even worse :p

Look I totally get the AOTC hate but it's a more enjoyable time than ROTJ for me even with its issues.

I can't give him shit for putting Rogue so low though. I was doing the same thing when I first saw it.

I mean I'm slapping myself now but it is what it is!
 
Kralamoonard said:
And personally never saw it coming. I at least expected some of them to survive, even if they don't appear in the later movies, I still thought maybe there was another way apart from death to explain why they're not a big deal in the succeeding movies.
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It is amazing how small the galaxy is in Star Wars when they can't even let one character escape -- Yoda and Obi-Wan got away, you'd have thought one of them might have run away to some far corner of the universe in exile. But Disney seems hellbent on killing off people, whether it's Han Solo or the entire Rogue One cast...like that's the only avenue for storytelling dramatics they can go down.

Silver lining in the "everybody's dead" ending is we don't have to ever suffer through another film with these characters. Other than Donnie Yen I could have cared less about anyone in Rogue One. On balance the movie was OK but was incredibly boring for much of its duration.
 
Yeah but I also think lost world was much better than jurassic world too bro. Dat impasse we find ourselves at yet again. Always with these Lucas/Spielberg franchises. Wonder how you rank the indy movies
 
rootbeerafloat said:
Leia and Antilles claim they're on a diplomatic mission, like they didn't participate in a major assault on an imperial base just minutes earlier. Like the Empire didn't just watch them escape!
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They were giving Vader the runaround when they were talking about that.

"Where are the plans? We literally saw you take off with them like a second ago."
"Who, us? That was some other ship. That couldn't be us, we're on a diplomatic mission!"
 
Discotheque said:
I never called it great, I think highest I could rate it would be 6 or 7. But if your trash opinions are not in line with mine though it makes me feel pretty secure in my taste
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HA! I love it.

Here's the sane ranking:

1) Empire Strikes Back
2) The Force Awakens
3) A New Hope
4) Return of the Jedi
5) Rogue One
6) Revenge of the Sith
7) The Phantom Menace
8) Attack of the Clones
 
LenHendricks said:
Lost World was awful. One of Spielberg's worst movies.
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It was aiight. Not particularly good, especially coming off of the first but I think it had much higher highs than world as well

Y'all are gonna give me shit all the time but look at TFA over New Hope that always gets bandied about as sane? Y'all need jesus the force

Raiders
Temple
Crusade
the Mummy
 
Are we doing lists now?

The Empire Strikes Back
The Force Awakens
Return of the Jedi
A New Hope
Rogue One
Revenge of the Sith
The Phantom Menace
Attack of the Clones

RotJ and ANH are basically within a hair of each other.
 
Yeah, alright.

1) ESB
2) ANH
3) TFA
4) RO
5) ROTJ
6) ROTS
7) AOTC
8) TPM

I always thought AOTC was slightly less shit than TPM. I just feel like TPM outside of like 2 scenes is total garbage but AOTC has some cool moments in it surrounded by too much of Hayden being terrible.
 
Veritigo_X said:
They were giving Vader the runaround when they were talking about that.

"Where are the plans? We literally saw you take off with them like a second ago."
"Who, us? That was some other ship. That couldn't be us, we're on a diplomatic mission!"
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Am I the only one who assumed that the jump from Rogue to ANH was a couple of weeks/months at least? I imaged a prolonged hunt before they found them as opposed to a direct continuation where Vader jumps back on a Star Destroyer and they are off to the races again.
 
Ranking time?

Empire Strikes Back
Star Wars
The Force Awakens
Rogue One
Return of the Jedi

Revenge of the Shit
The Phantom Mucus
Attack of the Cocks.
 
LenHendricks said:
It is amazing how small the galaxy is in Star Wars when they can't even let one character escape -- Yoda and Obi-Wan got away, you'd have thought one of them might have run away to some far corner of the universe in exile. But Disney seems hellbent on killing off people, whether it's Han Solo or the entire Rogue One cast...like that's the only avenue for storytelling dramatics they can go down.

Silver lining in the "everybody's dead" ending is we don't have to ever suffer through another film with these characters. Other than Donnie Yen I could have cared less about anyone in Rogue One. On balance the movie was OK but was incredibly boring for much of its duration.
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Han died because Harrison was only ever going to come back for one film and he can't exactly just wander off to Dagobah and live out the end of his days.

The Rogue One team died because Gareth and the writers felt it just didn't work with them escaping, not because Disney told them to.
 
I don't think it's all that controversial to say TLW>JW.

I love JW, and the finale gets me giddy every time. But nothing in the movie beats the cliffhanger scene. And I personally thought the San Diego finale was a lot of fun as a kid.
 
rootbeerafloat said:
Leia and Antilles claim they're on a diplomatic mission, like they didn't participate in a major assault on an imperial base just minutes earlier. Like the Empire didn't just watch them escape! I'm sure there other inconsistencies too, but that's enough for me. Rogue One and ANH don't make sense together. They just don't. If people want to justify this schlock by saying it makes for a more exciting movie this way, fine. Whatever. People think the end of RotS is amazing, so clearly no one gives a shit about Star Wars making any goddamn sense. Just gimmie them lightsabers bruh.
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They were tracked and pursued according to the . There's likely a gap between when the ship blasted off and when Vader got back on the Star Destroyer, got out of the wreckage of the rebel ship, and tracked them down. The opening crawl of ANH:

"Pursued by the Empire's sinister agents, Princess Leia races home aboard her starship, custodian of the stolen plans that can save her people and restore freedom to the galaxy"

In which case, it's easily explained.

Also, what's with the last sentence? There was one lightsaber in this movie; that's a criticism that makes no sense. C'mon, man. =P
 
Toa TAK said:
I don't think it's all that controversial to say TLW>JW.

I love JW, and the finale gets me giddy every time. But nothing in the movie beats the cliffhanger scene. And I personally thought the San Diego finale was a lot of fun as a kid.
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I want to get into this. But I'm not. Not today and not in this thread. :p
 
ROTS
Rogue One
Empire
Return of the Jedi
A New Hope
Phantom Menace
The Force Awakens
Attack of the Clones

Yea that's right, Revenge of the Sith first.
 
rootbeerafloat said:
Leia and Antilles claim they're on a diplomatic mission, like they didn't participate in a major assault on an imperial base just minutes earlier. Like the Empire didn't just watch them escape!
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You do remember ANH, right? Like the start in particular, where the Star Destroyer chases down the tiny corvette, shoots the shit out of it, then breaches and has storm-troopers murder the hell out of everyone and take a handful of prisoners (it's also implied they were firing on escape pods), and then Vader comes and personally strangles the captain?
 
LegendofLex said:
IMO if you took out the Saw Gerrera plotline, you could run with this:

- Jyn gets the message from Bodhi on Jedha
- She's captured along with Bodhi and thrown in prison
- Cassian shows up to spring them, having caught wind of the leak
- They get caught up in the middle of a battle between Imperials and insurgents on Jedha when trying to escape
- Movie proceeds more or less as it did originally

That'd cut out a lot of the fat in the opening hour.
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Yeah, I would have really preferred that. At least that way Cassian and Jyn would get more time on screen together and the movie would earn their last shot. As it was I didn't really care about anyone in the movie dying.
 
rootbeerafloat said:
Leia and Antilles claim they're on a diplomatic mission, like they didn't participate in a major assault on an imperial base just minutes earlier. Like the Empire didn't just watch them escape! I'm sure there other inconsistencies too, but that's enough for me. Rogue One and ANH don't make sense together. They just don't. If people want to justify this schlock by saying it makes for a more exciting movie this way, fine. Whatever. People think the end of RotS is amazing, so clearly no one gives a shit about Star Wars making any goddamn sense. Just gimmie them lightsabers bruh.
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Here is Pablo Hidalgo (Story Group) answer to this specific topic:

https://twitter.com/pablohidalgo/status/811447906670559232?lang=en
 
Theslammer said:
They were tracked and pursued according to the . There's likely a gap between when the ship blasted off and when Vader got back on the Star Destroyer, got out of the wreckage of the rebel ship, and tracked them down. The opening crawl of ANH:

"Pursued by the Empire's sinister agents, Princess Leia races home aboard her starship, custodian of the stolen plans that can save her people and restore freedom to the galaxy"

In which case, it's easily explained.

Also, what's with the last sentence? There was one lightsaber in this movie; that's a criticism that makes no sense.
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The big tell that it happens minutes later is the rebel who yells "ready the escape pods," implying that the plan is to go straight to Tatooine and drop off R2. It's so stupid.

The Vader scene (which I did think was cool on it's own, don't get me wrong) is just fanservice. It doesn't add anything of value. Just wave around a lightsaber and everyone will love the ending, no matter what!

Lifejumper said:
Here is Pablo Hidalgo (Story Group) answer to this specific topic:

https://twitter.com/pablohidalgo/status/811447906670559232?lang=en
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It would have been just as easy to write an ending that left the original intent intact without fudging it to fit their new canon.
 
Empire
ANH
The second half of ROTJ
TFA
RO
ROTS
The first half of ROTJ
The Phantom Menace
The Clone Wars movie
The Holiday Special
Attack of the Clones
 
brandonh83 said:
Yeah I was too. I was saying I don't think the list I posted is too much different :p

edit: VIII leaks? Oh god no. Lucasfilm, drain the swamp and tighten the seals
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I edited my post realizing I misunderstood you. Our lists are pretty distinct, and I didn't cheat putting a few of the movies in one position : )
 
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