Oh right. But fact of the matter is that they are *currently* allowing people to upload romhacks of their games directly to Steam.
Pokemon Prism (Crystal ROM Hack in Development for 8 years) C&D'd by Nintendo
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Oh right. But fact of the matter is that they are *currently* allowing people to upload romhacks of their games directly to Steam.
Roms to be used on a platform that you require to pay sega for the emulator and the base game, do you not see the difference?
That said, Nintendo could implement this into the virtual console as a compromise.
Want to play pokemon prism? Buy pokemon Crystal on the VC.
Fair enough, and yes if Nintendo did that as a compromise it'd be neat. However it opens up a whole can of worms, the Steam workshop page frequently gets roms of other games uploaded as "hacks" lol
ScientificPizza
Banned
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It's pretty fucking dumb of them if they are making their own fucking game, to attach it to a property somebody else owns.
Will be the least surprising thing ever.
They should change the name.
Its perfectly fine to make your own game and tell people "its a lot like Mother, a spiritual successor!" and have it go on its own merits.
But if I make a Kart racing game and call it Mario Kart, regardless of how much work I've put into it, I'd be a fucking dumb ass.
I understand for a lot of people this is a fun hobby fantasy world, but you are dealing with powerful companies and corporations, they aren't just going to cheerily let you use shit they own. They aren't your best friends. They aren't your grand parents looking out for you. They want. to. make. money. So stop using their shit.
Most games are a lot like every other fucking game, look at any shooter game, but companies don't make Halo games constantly for a fucking reason. They make their own shit, with their own IP. Its not so hard.
You can make your own stuff and call it something else. There is no need to hitch your wagon to other companies success so bluntly.
Only Nintendo shuts down mods and gets excused by fanboys for it. It's quite interesting.
I hope they fall flat on their faces with the Switch. What a terrible out of touch company.
Over something like this? Hell no. They do what they have to do.
Still haven't gotten confirmation from Nintendo that the letter is authentic; I'll update my report once they clarify either way. Here's what we at Ars have for now, and an explanation of how ROM hacks are different than the other stuff that Nintendo has issued C&Ds over. This one, in particular, did not get shut down with a DMCA notice, which is unusual.
http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2016/12/nintendo-sends-cease-and-desist-notice-to-pokemon-rom-hacker/
http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2016/12/nintendo-sends-cease-and-desist-notice-to-pokemon-rom-hacker/
Starwolf_UK
Member
Serious time. Has the NOA legal team changed recently? I'm just wondering if whoever is in charge has decided kicking over sandcastles is the best thing for them to do. Or has there been a really big court case over someone losing rights due to fan products.
If not then it makes me wonder was Iwata restraining the company from doing anything about fangames.
There is also the matter that Itoi himself has said he won't be making any more Mother games and I think even went as far as trusting the future to the fans.
I think twitch plays Pokemon playthrough showed there was serious testing required; there were several occasions when a chat moderator had to set the chat to mod only until someone with remote PC access could load the debug ROM to fix whatever had broken..
If not then it makes me wonder was Iwata restraining the company from doing anything about fangames.
Contingency plans by the team aside I believe Mother is owned (or partially owned) by Shigesato Itoi and APE Inc given how those names appear on the Super Bros title screen and back of box (similarly HAL part own Kirby and so Nintendo couldn't license them for Skylanders).
There is also the matter that Itoi himself has said he won't be making any more Mother games and I think even went as far as trusting the future to the fans.
Just like I said they don't go after rom hacks (as trhey had not before today) they'll be after mother 4 next then that Super Mario maker like thing from the 90s but for a different Nintendo franchise
I do agree in light of AM2R it would have been best just to silently launch it and do the testing privately (and bugfix if possible) as that has a similar talked about for years so they would have done something already.
I think twitch plays Pokemon playthrough showed there was serious testing required; there were several occasions when a chat moderator had to set the chat to mod only until someone with remote PC access could load the debug ROM to fix whatever had broken..
Tomato said at the start of making that patch said if Nintendo wanted to C&D they were welcome to. They did nothing. Horse long bolted at this point. He has since offered the patch to them if they want to release Mother 3 in English.
The competitive scene would go absolutely nuts if this happened. So many top VGC players recommend and use it as a tool (making a team takes time and it sucks if you spend that time to find it fundamentally doesn't work, better the 5 minutes in showdown). I understand some people like to only use official tools like how they only get Pokemon news from pokemon.com.
No, they fucking dont. They don't have to shudown fucking mods. Their success is not reliant on shutting down and giving a middle finger to all their fans. But they don't give a shit about their fans, and it shows.
they have to shut down a Pokemon Crystal ROM hack?
ScientificPizza
Banned
It's not a mod, it's a ROMhack. treating this as though it's like a mod for a PC game is disingenuous.
They have no legal right. It's a fucking mod. That's not illegal unless you live in a hellhole with some fucking shitty copyright laws.
It's a fuckig mod. You fucking apply it to the original game like you would in a PC. It's no different than a total conversion mod for Skyrim. Jesus Christ dudes stop being fanboys. Nintendo is 100% in the wrong here. Shutting down mods is what terrible companies do.
NickWright
Member
Will they C&D Pokémon Vietnamese Crystal too?
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... But they're the exact same thing.
This wasn't going to be a standalone release, it was a patch for the original game. What do you think the difference is?
also, I'm just gonna leave this here: http://www.kotaku.com.au/2016/08/are-roms-legal-in-australia/
ScientificPizza
Banned
They're *not* the same thing. A PC mod is something you apply to a game you have purchased. A ROM hack is something you mesh with a ROM you've downloaded for free. Nintendo games exist on closed systems, to compare them to PC modding isn't a fair equation.
I highly doubt anyone is dumping ROMs of the games that they have purchased to play a ROM hack like this. These kind of hacks incentivise people to seek out illegal copies of Nintendo games.
KojiKnight
Member
Does the ips contain images, names, moves, ideas from their Pokemon series? Yes? Then it's really not any different from any other fan game.
No, that's not how it works. That's like saying people have the right to sue you for whatever they wish to sue you for. Yes, it's technically true, but that shit won't hold in actual court. There's no fucking damage to the brand whatsoever.
Professor Beef
Banned
A highly advertised Pokemon fangame, released on the heels of Pokemon Sun/Moon, would have no impact on their bottom line? I get being upset about this, but c'mon now.
They're EXACTLY THE SAME THING. A Rom Hack is something you apply to a game you have purchased.
Your logic makes no fucking sense whatsoever. If you follow your logic, PC mods should be shutdown too since you can fucking apply them to pirate versions.
There.is.no.fucking.difference.
LordKasual
Banned
The Metroid 2 remake
Pokemon Prism
Pokemon Uranium
It must really suck to be an adamant Nintendo fangamer. I know there will still be ways to get it, but to be immediately chopped at by the main company your game is a tribute to must not feel very good.
Pokemon Prism
Pokemon Uranium
It must really suck to be an adamant Nintendo fangamer. I know there will still be ways to get it, but to be immediately chopped at by the main company your game is a tribute to must not feel very good.
Dude, corporate branding and IP protection work exactly like that, if the holder of the IP feels the portrayal of the IP and Brand name is being misused by a third party they're on their legal right to sue the shit out of the people using the brand with no ownership or otherwise license.
Sure, a romhack is harmless enough. But the grounds for them being able to send a C&D to Pokemon Prism are the same grounds they would use if someone was using the pokemon Brand to spread hateful propaganda, for example.
In fact, nintendo took legal action against Peta for misuse of the Pokemon brand in propaganda, the legal right to do so it's the same legal right that lets them stop romhacks.
Again, we don't have to like it, but that's how IP laws work.
Geraldo_Ray
Member
This is the first time I've heard of this ROM Hack, but I guess trying it out is out of the question.
The guy really didn't do himself any favors by releasing a trailer before release (which got over a million views). Staying silent would've been the better alternative, especially with the last few Nintendo fan games getting shut down. Still, kind of curious what the creator is going to do now.
How exactly is it not a mod?
EDIT: Saw your other post answering that question.
The guy really didn't do himself any favors by releasing a trailer before release (which got over a million views). Staying silent would've been the better alternative, especially with the last few Nintendo fan games getting shut down. Still, kind of curious what the creator is going to do now.
How exactly is it not a mod?
EDIT: Saw your other post answering that question.
Nintendo has the right to file a cease-and-desist, and would be in the right to pursue legal action under international copyright law if they don't comply. It's not the intellectual property of the people working on Prism. It's not their brand, or their programming, or their art it's based on. No one has to like that.
If you're aware of specific legal precedent that purpose-built software conversions don't count, it's something I'm not familiar with.
Tecnically Project M was never shut down by Nintendo..
ALso there is that one 4chan post that said it was shut down by one of the heads of project m (it had the name) as he was involved with wavedash games and he didnt want to compete against himself.. but who believes 4chan leaks right
But seriously if they didnt quit themselves, nintendo would have done it
....Both can be applied to purchased copies. You can dump your own cart. Hell, if the G/S/C remakes ever get released on the 3DS store, this could be applied to games that are purchased directly from Nintendo.
The rom hack itself is doing nothing to circumvent any 'closed system' - it's just a patch that changes how the game works, exactly the same as a PC game mod. If someone applies it to a pirated copy of the game, that is not the mod creator's responsibility. They have done nothing to enable this piracy.
Same thing applies when people pirate PC games to use specific mods on them. Modding a PC game that's no longer available to purchase from the distributor would incentivize piracy just as much - does that make it a ROM hack?
It's nothing more than a goddamn mod. They wouldn't be in the right, and they wouldn't win the case unless you are in a country with pretty terrible IP laws that just let IP owners walk all over other people and make up their own shitty laws.
ScientificPizza
Banned
No, because a PC game is open by it's very nature. Please direct me to the root directory on a gameboy colour and we can talk.
ShironRedshift
Member
False. Having a ROM of a game in no way implies piracy. It's very possible to obtain a ROM by flashing a backup-copy of a game you legitimately own, for your own purposes and no one else's. That's where that logic breaks down. It's very possible to obtain ROMs from copies of the game that people have made from their own copies, which they own, and have made for their own personal use. Implying someone's a pirate just because they have a ROM of a game is thus a huge no-no and completely incorrect.
You doubting it or whatever changes nothing. You don't get to imply that or cast aspirations or accusations on people based on nothing other than your own personal feelings. They're both modifications of games that people have purchased licences to. There's no significant, distinguishable difference between mods and ROM-hacks. They're for all intents and purposes one and the same.
Nah man, I wasn't calling you - or anyone specific - out. It's just that; with this subject, that's usually *the general reaction, expressed several ways - whether 3 words, or an entire wall of text. From my perspective, no matter which side of the fence you stand on, you have to admit that these people are well aware of how aggressively Nintendo protects their property, and what they do is at their own risk.
*Edit: rather, I should say: "a general reaction."
TheNefariousGamer
Member
So, I just remembered something. There are an awful lot of carts of Pokemon romhacks on eBay, maybe Nintendo's starting to worry about unofficial games in the used game market?
Still a shame regardless. Koolboyman is really talented, at least technically, and I hate to see all this work go to waste. Would also really hate to see Nintendo go after SMW romhacks.
Still a shame regardless. Koolboyman is really talented, at least technically, and I hate to see all this work go to waste. Would also really hate to see Nintendo go after SMW romhacks.
That's completely fucking irrelevant. You own a game, you can fucking make mods for it. A mod for a console or handheld game is no different from a mod for a PC game. How hard is to understand this shit?
Next you're going to tell me that Skyrim Remastered mods are not really mods because they're on console? Some solid goddamn logic you have there.
ScientificPizza
Banned
I didn't say it inherently implied piracy, I addressed that in my post.
That's literally what you implied. Read what you said "A ROM hack is something you mesh with a ROM you've downloaded for free".
Once again, it's a goddamn mod. Stop defending shitty morally bankrupt companies from blocking mods.
ScientificPizza
Banned
A ROM hack *is* a modification. All you're doing is arguing semantics and ignoring the root of what I'm saying.
No, I said I doubt that people are dumping their own ROMs
There is nothing morally bankrupt about protecting your property.
Comfort Jones
Banned
I love people defending this shit like there aren't a billion examples of all the good things fangames and mods have given us including some of the most popular games played to this day.
FFS Sonic is getting a release people actually want for the first time in like a decade made by guys who have been making Sonic fangames for a long time.
But hey what do I know I'm just some shithead idiot working on a Half life 2 mod. Valve really should protect their ip more huh.
FFS Sonic is getting a release people actually want for the first time in like a decade made by guys who have been making Sonic fangames for a long time.
But hey what do I know I'm just some shithead idiot working on a Half life 2 mod. Valve really should protect their ip more huh.
The fucking roof is that it's a mod. The thing you said it wasn't and that it was totally not like a mod at all!
(except for the fact that you are completely wrong)
And you didn't say you doubted people were dumping their own roms, you said in your very definition of what a rom hack that it inherently implies piracy. Read what you said.
You keep fixating on the "it's a mod" angle and keep ignoring the "Nintendo holds legal rights to protect theit intelectual property" angle.
It's not even unheard of that companies drop the hammer on mods anyway, just google "Bethesda" and "cease & desist".
An asshole move? Totally. Still within their legal right tho, how hard is this to get?