Pokemon Prism (Crystal ROM Hack in Development for 8 years) C&D'd by Nintendo
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Lynd7
Member
Yeah I know... just so annoying.
Why don't they go after TPP too? They should shut that down as it outright pirates their games.
I suppose now we can put the notion to rest that Nintendo intentionally lets people release them before sending out C&D's
I'm pretty sure the Mother 4 team have a backup plan to release their game as an original IP if they get in trouble.
Not entirely sure why they're not just releasing it in that state anyway to be honest.
NipplesAndToes23
Member
Really, well I guess you don't really create shit. It's like looking at something and seeing an issue with it and just wanting to fix it or make it better or to expand upon it.
I'm also a bit curious do fan fictions and films get C&Ds too?
Blackage
Member
Yeah fuck Nintendo, that said I wish the guys making these fan games would stop promoting them so hard so close to release. Just surprise release it or go radio silent then drop it.
I was scared shitless AM2R was gonna get C&D'd before it came out, and had 2 middle fingers out towards Nintendo after cause I got to play and they were too late to stop the internet.
I was scared shitless AM2R was gonna get C&D'd before it came out, and had 2 middle fingers out towards Nintendo after cause I got to play and they were too late to stop the internet.
Professor Beef
Banned
A massively advertised fangame being released around the same time as a mainline Pokemon game? Yes, I absolutely can see a need to crack down on it.
ScientificPizza
Banned
I have, and you've quoted from the post where I did. It's clear you only read what you want to see.
It's ancient at this point and not part of a series they have an IP stranglehold on.
If it ever gets back into the public eye I could see it getting attacked but Nintendo going after fan creations like this is a somewhat new thing.
And I already addressed how you're wrong and nothing you said makes Pokemon mods different from any other mods. For someone complaining about "read what you want to see" you sure love to do that.
The lovely thing is that you actually stopped discussing at that point and making actual arguments, and started spouting "You guys are just making pedantic distinctions" like that's a argument.
NipplesAndToes23
Member
Wha? massive? You know damn well that shit ain't massive compared to Sun and Moon. Main cats that were studying about it were nerds and we're in the minority.
Hmm, I'd say fans have been consistently making better 2D Sonic games than Sega for a while, so it'd make sense they'd hire those talented and devoted fans to make Sonic Mania.
While this is still a dick move on Nintendo's part, I don't think they need fans making the next Pokemon installment. A 2D Metroid, on the other hand...
Professor Beef
Banned
It had it's own website, and it was featured on Youtube and Twitch. Of course it isn't going to pull Sun/Moon numbers, but yes I'd still call the ad campaign pretty damn big.
ScientificPizza
Banned
Because your argument is circular. I made the distinction between what we think of as a mod and a ROM hack and all you do is scream "IT'S A FUCKING MOD"
Great, that's a lot to work with. That's not proving anything wrong at all.
ROM hacks work with ROMs. ROMs are widely available and used illegallly. ROM hacks can be viewed as incentives for people to seek out illegal copies of ROMs. Ownership of a game does not give you the right to distribute modifications of it. Nintendo are well within their rights to challenge that.
Mods work with games. Games are widely available and can be gotten illegally. A mod can be viewed as incentive for people to seek out pirate copies of a game.
Try again.
Love how you just "read what you want to", because I already said this. You are the one that continues on a circle trying to avoid actually replying to the facts.
Regulus Tera
Romanes Eunt Domus
Project M was a romhack. It used code from Brawl.
Also, Project M wasn't C&D'd. The developers chose to close it down out of their own volition.
Regulus Tera
Romanes Eunt Domus
While they do know, the M3 patch has been out for eight years now. No amount of C&Ding would be able to stop its proliferation.
You can be inspired by something and not have to take it word for word. Happens every day. Anne Rice will C&D fanfics in a second
Professor Beef
Banned
Plus wouldn't that be on NoJ since Mother 3 isn't even in the US?
ScientificPizza
Banned
No, because Mods can be applied to legal versions of games very easily, they can't be applied to Nintendo games without ROMs or ISOs. It's a false equation.
I know you've already said this, but unfortunately just because you say something doesn't mean that it's true.
BumblebeeCody
Member
Brutal but best response
Tom's or ISOs can be legal version of games. You can legally make your own right now. It's not a "false equation". Jesus Christ this has been throghouly explained to you already.
ScientificPizza
Banned
This is what I'm saying to you when I say your argument is circular.
I have acknowledged from the beginning, and have said multiple times in direct response to you, that people can have legal versions of their owned dumped ROM. But it's more likely that the people who would engage with this ROM hack or any other would be using a copy of their own dumped ROM, which can only mean they are using an illegal version.
Are you disputing this? Are you telling me that most people dump their own ROMs to use with hacks like these? Or do you think the one person who does do it offset the thousands using an illegal ROM?
If your standpoint is not one of those two then constantly saying "people can dump their own ROM!"
is pointless in this discussion.
You have no actual data, and you have no actual proof to those statements. You might as well say that about regulars mods, as well.
ScientificPizza
Banned
You want me to prove that people are using illegal copies of ROMs?
What are you doing
Some people are. Some people are using illegal copies of PC games to play mods too.
Do you think generic file sharing websites should be banned because they can be used to share illegal material? What about torrent clients? What about emulators?
Wowfunhappy
Member
These people were stupid from the beginning. Nintendo has shut down plenty of fan games and mods in the past, it's just getting more attention now for some reason.
If the one who took this photo sends me a message forcing me to stop using it I will stop using it. Obviously. I'm not trying to paint people who do fan projects as bad people or that their stuff should be taken down. I love these kinds of fan stuff and applaud those who encourage fans to go nuts with their properties. The difference is how I perceive situations where the copyright owner does not approve.
I have never said anyone should do anything, so not sure where your last sentence is coming from. Tumblr and Deviantart going down because of copyright claims would be extremely strange. I'll return to you with an updated opinion if that happens.
That's fine. I've followed many of these copyright cases, in particular those concerning Nintendo, and do not share the same sentiment. Hard to know why that is. Maybe I'm a terrible person and will realize that soon enough.
I never meant "do whatever they want" in a negative way, and it was more of a general thing as opposed to having to do with this particular case. Sorry if it sounded that way.
I also think it's irrelevant which project it relates to. Yes, AM2R is a work of love and Nintendo has not been kind to Metroid fans in the last decade, but how is that supposed to change my feelings on the morality of Nintendo not allowing fan projects? I don't see why it would be any different because it's a project I'd loved to have been seen made, as opposed to one I don't really care about; I don't think their policies on this is any less ok just because of that. So my point isn't really about what your feelings are towards the particular project and how upset you are about it being shut down, it's more about where one directs this anger and disappointment, however small or large it may be.
I respect your low opinion on how copyright is handled, I just don't share it, I guess. We all come from different places with different contexts and perspectives on things, so maybe I've just yet to have seen the cases that will flip my opinion. This is not such a case.
Some people are, some people aren't.
Some people are pirating PC games and using mods with those pirate copies, some aren't.
Triggerhappytel
Member
Literally everyone making a fan game needs to follow AM2R's lead and announce the game as they're launching the finished product.
NipplesAndToes23
Member
Most of it isn't word for word, that's a straight up copy and thanks for the info I'd look it up. It wouldn't be me though, I'd be flattered. That's how I know I made it big.
ScientificPizza
Banned
No. I'm also not arguing that I think ROM hacks shouldn't exist at all.
This entire argument is in the context of the C&D for this project. When looking at the use cases for people
engaging with a project like this it's easy to see it being connected to, or have the fear of it being connected to, piracy. Nintendo are not an evil company for wanting to protect themselves from that.
If Nintendo platforms were more open and these kind of projects could be used natively with retail copies of games, like they can be with PC games, then the argument would be entirely different.
Lmao, "Fuck you nintendo."
"I was looking forward to this."
You're not being serious, right?
I'm not trying to make a compelling argument that TPC/Nintendo are right to do what they do. I'm just saying fan projects like this put you at the mercy of the trademark holder, so don't do it. Make Freedom Planet instead.
I eagerly await the day when "What if intellectual property itself is an unnecessary concept designed to allow capitalists to create legal monopolies over ideas, at the expense of free speech, artistic expression and the organic cultural transmission of information?" finally enters the Overton Window for these discussions.
Will probably never happen.
Anyway, I think this is gross. I'm saddened that it keeps happening to projects with so much passion put into them.
Will probably never happen.
Anyway, I think this is gross. I'm saddened that it keeps happening to projects with so much passion put into them.
I'm incredibly thankful the fire emblem community and it's mods/hacks go unnoticed. the original games are great and more than worth paying for but the ability to randomized units, recruitment, fiddle with growth rates, item stats etc makes for infinitely replayable games.
I'd give nintendo so much money if they'd just release the next fire emblem game with a good randomizer built in.
Nevermind how good some of the hacks are, full campaigns with custom maps, new or altered sprites and animations. Some of the best stuff I've seen is just using the basic framework of the gba games to make completely new creations.
I understand the need to protect yourself legally but I really feel like companies are going about this the wrong way.
I'd give nintendo so much money if they'd just release the next fire emblem game with a good randomizer built in.
Nevermind how good some of the hacks are, full campaigns with custom maps, new or altered sprites and animations. Some of the best stuff I've seen is just using the basic framework of the gba games to make completely new creations.
I understand the need to protect yourself legally but I really feel like companies are going about this the wrong way.
DiipuSurotu
Banned
Chrono Trigger: Prophet's Guile and Chrono Trigger: Crimson Echoes.
And if we're counting ROM hack fantranslations, Chrono Trigger, Final Fantasy Type-0, and Dragon Quest VII 3DS.
Chiramii
Member
This. If you're going to announce a ROM hack you know there will be interest for, don't reveal it until it's ready.
meanwhile sega has a developer who previously made a bunch of sonic fan games heading one of their next mainline sonic games, and it looks genuinely great. shows how backwards nintendo have it in comparison; this sort of disdain for hardworking, talented and passionate fans just wanting to share a fan mod they've worked on for years with other fans of the series is super shitty and counter productive.
i think the poster was implying they were looking forward to the game, not that they were looking forward for it to be shut down.
I don't get why people don't make their own games if they are so talented. Oh wait, yeah they are banking off the IP recognition to get more eyes on their work thus profiting off another company's products.
Like seriously get wrecked. Time to drop the nonsense and stop being surprised when your 'love letter' to someone else's IP gets a take down notice.
The only reason people are defending this is because Nintendo is already a big company. But if some indie artist was being ripped off these people would be universally shamed.
Stop. Stealing. Other. People's. Work!
Like seriously get wrecked. Time to drop the nonsense and stop being surprised when your 'love letter' to someone else's IP gets a take down notice.
The only reason people are defending this is because Nintendo is already a big company. But if some indie artist was being ripped off these people would be universally shamed.
Stop. Stealing. Other. People's. Work!
No fucking work is being stolen here. Stop with this bullshit.
You want to ban fan art and fan fiction too?
Jesus christ the corporate ass-kissery is off the damn charts.
Btw, indie artists tend to love and appreciate mods for their games.
ThanksVision
Member
If I were Nintendo I would do the same thing in a heartbeat. As soon as you start to give these fan projects a pass, it sets a terrible precedent that only serves to demean the value of your IP
You forgot the clap emojis.
No it doesn't. This "demeaning of the value" never fucking happens. If it did, Valve would be surely bankrupt by now. As it would be Bethesda. Or SEGA.