I always thought it was shit and so did other people but the majority took pleasure in it.
Rogue One: A Star Wars Story |OT| They rebel - SPOILERS
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I think Clones actually has the worst and ugliest-looking action of the whole prequel trilogy. CGI and obvious green screening that has aged really badly, and Christopher Lee, bless his heart, was too old to be doing any convincing lightersabering. Even some neat ideas, like the light of Anakin and Dooku's blades illuminating the frame, are kind of fucked up because the camera is pulled in way too close.
Unlike a lot of people, I don't mind Yoda being a lightsaber god, and that reveal in the theater the first time was a pretty cool experience. But overall, the action in Clones doesn't have shit on the lightsaber duels of TPM and Sith.
Unlike a lot of people, I don't mind Yoda being a lightsaber god, and that reveal in the theater the first time was a pretty cool experience. But overall, the action in Clones doesn't have shit on the lightsaber duels of TPM and Sith.
brandonh83
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ROTS had far better saber fights.
That's kind of the problem, the lightsaber battle were overly elaborate and went on for way too long while not actually being that interesting. The stately and slow fights in the OT allowed you to savor every blow and made it seem more a cat and mouse game. Whereas the PT movies are just a raver light show with people flailing at each other and you take it on faith that there is method in the madness.
That's also why I like the Dooku fight more. This is probably due to Lee's advanced age they had to slow that fight down and it felt like a good middle ground between both series.
I'll grant you that it's personal preference but I like slow fights.
Geonosis is just another desert like planet, while kashyyk had big ass trees and a beach invading army and Utapau is a planet with holes in it.
brandonh83
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LOL
No, I don't think so. I think he did some of his own work in AOTC, but in ROTS they literally CGI'd his head onto a stuntman who did the actual fighting. The closeups are him, but I think all the actual saber fighting was handled by a stuntman.
Yoda
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Star Wars fan level: I can recite every line from ROTJ by memory.
I'd give it a 4/5, I didn't have high expectations given the rumored plot changes mid development, and the fact TFA came out so recently.
Pros:
- The theme of a fledging rebel alliance vs. the Goliath galactic empire was executed very well for the majority of the movie.
- The Supporting cast was very solid. I wish a few of them could have been ambiguously left alive.
- Ending tied into ANH smoothly, was expecting this to be more janky given the trailers alluded to the Death Star being used.
- Action scenes had solid choreography, Stormtroopers weren't complete fuck ups to where you the audience didn't take them seriously (this is important when no Super villain is present to create a sense of menace for the audience).
- Opening and ending of the movie were above average in terms of pacing/acting/thrill.
Cons:
- Main characters (esp on the rebel side) were one dimensional and had mediocre acting. This wasn't as bad for the empire, Director Krennic was an interesting character, but was also one dimensional.
- The "middle" of the movie had too many fluff scenes, and/or forced character interactions, Stardust meeting her father stands out the most. It was just TOO convenient for Krennic to show up then and there. The Darth Vader castle scene was clearly fan service, but was unnecessary for plot and felt forced.
- CGI Grand Moff Tarkin
The middle of the movie felt awkwardly weak to me, it really felt like they had a sudden change in direction of the plot, so perhaps those rumors saying such have some validity. I think these "off season" movies could become quite good; a little more discipline on Disney's part and perhaps more production time.
I'd give it a 4/5, I didn't have high expectations given the rumored plot changes mid development, and the fact TFA came out so recently.
Pros:
- The theme of a fledging rebel alliance vs. the Goliath galactic empire was executed very well for the majority of the movie.
- The Supporting cast was very solid. I wish a few of them could have been ambiguously left alive.
- Ending tied into ANH smoothly, was expecting this to be more janky given the trailers alluded to the Death Star being used.
- Action scenes had solid choreography, Stormtroopers weren't complete fuck ups to where you the audience didn't take them seriously (this is important when no Super villain is present to create a sense of menace for the audience).
- Opening and ending of the movie were above average in terms of pacing/acting/thrill.
Cons:
- Main characters (esp on the rebel side) were one dimensional and had mediocre acting. This wasn't as bad for the empire, Director Krennic was an interesting character, but was also one dimensional.
- The "middle" of the movie had too many fluff scenes, and/or forced character interactions, Stardust meeting her father stands out the most. It was just TOO convenient for Krennic to show up then and there. The Darth Vader castle scene was clearly fan service, but was unnecessary for plot and felt forced.
- CGI Grand Moff Tarkin
The middle of the movie felt awkwardly weak to me, it really felt like they had a sudden change in direction of the plot, so perhaps those rumors saying such have some validity. I think these "off season" movies could become quite good; a little more discipline on Disney's part and perhaps more production time.
This is something people always forget. Force awakens is the start of a new trilogy. Even unlike A New Hope, which is its own self-contained thing, Force Awakens deliberately sets up future thinns so is left open and vague. Episode 8 and 9 absolutely have the power to make episode 7 better or worse in retrospect.
If I'm remembering correctly, he finds out where the pilot came from and goes there to investigate so it's not really that much of a coincidence. They both find out the information around the same time and arrive at the base at around the same time.
Gamecocks625
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That video just shows how sterile and boring the fight scenes are
Eh. I'd take the more natural, realistic lightsaber fighting of TESB and ROTJ over a lot of the prequel fights. The Duel of the Fates was great, but not the Dooku fights or the flipping around in the Palpatine fights. The Obi-Wan vs Grievous fight was rushed and meh too. I'd rank them:
ROTJ: Luke vs Vader
TESB: Luke vs Vader
TPM: Duel of the Fates
ROTS: Anakin vs Obi-Wan
ROTS: Palpatine vs Yoda
AOTC: Yoda vs Dooku
AOTC: Anakin/Obi-Wan vs Yoda
ROTS: Obi-Wan vs Grievous
ANH: Obi-Wan vs Vader
ROTS: Palpatine vs Windu and co
TFA had a good blend of the two.
I'll still rank 7 just above the prequels even if 8 and 9 are the best movies ever.
Lone_Prodigy
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And then X-Wings attack the base but somehow miss Krennic's shuttle completely.
Just_myles
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Agree to disagree I guess. I feel that Jedi are special and being special they have enhanced reflexes and can do some of the unique movements during these fights. I also think the animated prequel shows are much better as well. Fight choreography has evolved so much that I just can't think of the OT battles as good, ok that's harsh. The OT battles are not as fun to watch now compared to the prequel stuff.
It was hidden by POOOOWWWWWAHHHHHH
Yoda
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You're right about the timing; but GMT just happened to reveal the information @ the same time and subvert his accomplishment? It felt like it came out of no where (imo).
The time lining up is a little odd but the motivation for undercutting Krennic makes perfect sense to me.
What are the odds of a chinese or asian actor wielding a lightsaber in the next decade of star wars movies?
Feels like they've been teasing this shit in rogue one and eps 7 (seriously thats what you use the Raid actors??).
I'm thinking the obiwan movie? Would make sense to have more 'prequel' style action in that era.
Feels like they've been teasing this shit in rogue one and eps 7 (seriously thats what you use the Raid actors??).
I'm thinking the obiwan movie? Would make sense to have more 'prequel' style action in that era.
broncobuster
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Vader scene reminded me of the similar Doctor Doom scene in the Fantastic Four reboot. Probably the only memorable part of that reboot.
I don't really think anyone can predict the characters that are going to catch on and those who are not.
You remember certain characters for being your favorites, for being charismatic, for having good lines, and for having memorable scenes.
That Star Wars has somehow laid the groundwork for these deeply layered characters before is just you fooling yourself. It's a fun movie with fun characters. That's it.
You remember certain characters for being your favorites, for being charismatic, for having good lines, and for having memorable scenes.
That Star Wars has somehow laid the groundwork for these deeply layered characters before is just you fooling yourself. It's a fun movie with fun characters. That's it.
Imp the Dimp
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God this was an average ass movie. Good visuals I guess.
There should've been a rebellion after the destruction plunged the Empire into a recession.
brandonh83
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The Jedi leading the charge in this scene.
Awesome I agree but not many here would!
Huh, guess that's what I get for trusting the online screenplays. They all contain that sentence. Well there's still the issue of him saying the plans were 'beamed' to that ship. I mean it's not a huge deal but they should have made the transition flawless since they decided to tie the two movies so close together.
PhantomZone
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The final few minutes were the best part about the whole movie. Almost like they didn't really need the 90% that came before it just to set up that sequence of events that then lead into Episode IV.
Just posting to say that the prequels were dog shit.
Force awakens and rogue one, both so much SO MUCH better that those steamers.
I liked rogue one more then force awakens, but felt like rogue one had way too many ham fisted fan service call backs. It really didn't need those cheap tricks to make audiences like it.
Force awakens and rogue one, both so much SO MUCH better that those steamers.
I liked rogue one more then force awakens, but felt like rogue one had way too many ham fisted fan service call backs. It really didn't need those cheap tricks to make audiences like it.
Saw it last night. I was honestly surprised they let them all die. I was expecting a last second rescue for Jyn and Cassian. I guess sometimes suicide missions are really suicide missions, even in the Star Wars universe.
Also, Donnie Yen was fucking great. Loved that guy since I first watched Iron Monkey 20 years ago.
Also, Donnie Yen was fucking great. Loved that guy since I first watched Iron Monkey 20 years ago.
Hydrogen Bluebird
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Galen Erso or the pilot who defected couldn't just email the death star plans? 
Galen Erso or the pilot who defected couldn't just email the death star plans?
Way too sensitive for email.... Wookiee leaks would have a field day.
Galen Erso or the pilot who defected couldn't just email the death star plans?
The internet doesn't exist in SW. The basic "rules" of the SW universe were conceived long before. Plus there's the "the Empire is monitoring all communications" aspect so any message would have been traced to the location of the rebel base.
Galen Erso or the pilot who defected couldn't just email the death star plans?
They didn't have email in 1977.
A) the internet didn't exist in 1977Galen Erso or the pilot who defected couldn't just email the death star plans?
B) Star Wars has its own Internet (holonet) but there is no way in hell that shit isn't heavily monitored.
Lone_Prodigy
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The "Are you kidding, I am blind" line was so well-placed. The audience was still laughing when the prisoners were taken to Saw's hideout.
Are you referring to Leia's ship the Tantive IV? It was docked inside the mon calamari star cruiser which was the only ship that was able to receive Bhodi's message and were linked to the antenna awaiting the transmission.
The speeder chase thru Coruscant in AOTC is well done and feels like SW to me. I love that part of the movie.
KeyBladerXIII
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I JUST got done watching it. My mind is racing so I'll just say HOLY FUCKING SHIT at that ending. From the moment Darth Vader turned his lightsaber on to Princess Leia turning around was the hypest I've ever been in a movie theater.
The Jedi leading the charge in this scene.
It was at this moment that I completely checked out of the movie when I saw it in theaters. I just could not give a fuck. Looks like a bunch of extras from the crew playing dress-up and running in front of obvious green screen. Absolutely zero impact
Lifejumper
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The prequels managed to make the lightsabers uncool.The Jedi leading the charge in this scene.
They specifically say that dos send the data, they need someone who is aware that it is coming. Like a direct connection. Admiral Akbar0.1 is the one that answered the call.
Yeah I'm with you. You nearly don't get a bigger star wars fan than me, and even I would say that it took away a lot of the coolness of Jedi. "If everyone is special...no-one is"
LegalEagleMike
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Also made the force uncool, made Vader very uncool, made the Emperor a little less cool. The only thing to survive the prequels was Kenobi.
RustyNails
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The Jedi leading the charge in this scene.
Looks like something out of a star wars convention. Especially the fat dude leading the charge with the saber over his head.
orthodoxy1095
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Also looks to me like the alien dude who's closest to the viewer has a light saber that clips through the ground.
Terribly shot scene.
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