Rogue One: A Star Wars Story |OT| They rebel - SPOILERS

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autumnleaf said:
I could agree with your point if he had not shown any sort of abilities with the Force previously in the film but he takes out a squadron of Stormtroopers without being able to see. He can clearly already use it so what exactly is he putting faith in at the end? He's been using the Force the whole movie otherwise how does a blind man dodge a blaster shot?

Luke trusting the Force in ANH to make the shot when he has no experience using it is a perfect example of putting faith into something. When you already know something for a fact it is not faith. Him pulling the switch when he has never done so before would be faith.
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I've seen movies where blind people do crazy stuff and no Force required. That's the point of his character here. It's about faith. Figuratively and literally (lol) blind faith. As mentioned, to those characters the Force may or may not be real. That's the set up of the OT and here in R1.


If the Force is so blatantly real and obvious, then why doesn't Baze fully believe?

"THe Force saved me."
"I saved you!"

That's their whole banter through the movie. One character is perhaps skeptical, and the other has total devotion. A devotion which is put to the test at the end. Was it the Force? Was it blind luck?

Hell even those very themes are in the OT, between Han and Obi-Wan.

"I call it luck."
"In my experience, there's no such thing a story luck."

And as also mentioned, if it didn't work for you, fine, but you may have missed the point of the characters and scene.
 
autumnleaf said:
I could agree with your point if he had not shown any sort of abilities with the Force previously in the film but he takes out a squadron of Stormtroopers without being able to see. He can clearly already use it so what exactly is he putting faith in at the end? He's been using the Force the whole movie otherwise how does a blind man dodge a blaster shot?

Luke trusting the Force in ANH to make the shot when he has no experience using it is a perfect example of putting faith into something. When you already know something for a fact it is not faith. Him pulling the switch when he has never done so before would be faith.
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Even his own partner didn't believe he was using the force in that particular fight scene. No more than Han believed in it despite meeting Ben/Luke and witnessing their capabilities.

Simple tricks and nonsense to the nonbeliever.
 
Its sad these characters clearly had a lot more depth at some point that was ripped out. The scene with Donnie yen putting his faith in the force didnt feel earned.
 
autumnleaf said:
I could agree with your point if he had not shown any sort of abilities with the Force previously in the film but he takes out a squadron of Stormtroopers without being able to see. He can clearly already use it so what exactly is he putting faith in at the end? He's been using the Force the whole movie otherwise how does a blind man dodge a blaster shot?

Luke trusting the Force in ANH to make the shot when he has no experience using it is a perfect example of putting faith into something. When you already know something for a fact it is not faith. Him pulling the switch when he has never done so before would be faith.
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He attributes his Daredevil abilities to his faith in the Force, but he can't prove that they actually are. It's not clear at all that he beat up those stormtroopers cause of the Force. It's like someone going "I am here to dispense the judgement of God and no harm shall come unto me for he is my shield!" You don't assume he was literally channeling God to kick ass when he gets out of a scrape unharmed.
 
The Force is a luck stat. Not an agility stat. Chirrut dodging the lasers is him using his agility and perception stats. Him pulling the switch at the end was his luck stat coming into play.
 
Basically my point is, we don't know how much of his initial ass-kicking is a result of his faith and how much is a result of his physical training and enhanced senses. But his final scene shows all his faith at play. If you show him dodging and weaving like his introduction, then we don't see the force in full effect. We see him using his agility and reflexes with some vague amount of Force behind it. But here, we see the monk aspect of the warrior monk. It's what separates him from just another good fighter.
 
I like that Chirrut essentially reestablishes the Force has being divine and spiritual rather than based in some more arbitrary "science" nonsense. Definitely adds to the more epic feel of the whole thing.
 
Jito said:
What's the deal with C2-B5? Keep seeing toys of it when it's not even in the film.
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Star Wars merchandising have always been weird like that. Even in the 80's/90's there were toys for characters that were onscreen for maybe two minutes, like that guy who's crying at the Rancor corpse.
 
Tall4Life said:
I like that Chirrut essentially reestablishes the Force has being divine and spiritual rather than based in some more arbitrary "science" nonsense. Definitely adds to the more epic feel of the whole thing.
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It helps that Chirrut's faith, and it's relationship with Baze's scepticism, was one of the best and most well realised aspects of the film.

The Force works best when it's the least understood. If you're going to have a capital-D capital-E capital-M Deus Ex Machina as such a core element of your story then the worst thing you can try to do is make it explicable and boring.

Timu said:
The hammerhead ship that crashed the 2 Star Destroyers together was awesome!
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Yeah, that scene was incredible.

Every Star Destroyer, hell every space shot in this film, looked absolutely incredible. Better than model work level CGI.
 
Rogue One has digested a bit for me. I don't hate it, I love it as I love all Star Wars films, but I don't think they managed to pull off what they needed to do for really making you feel for the characters. I've heard people compare this film to Saving Private Ryan, but I don't think they humanized the characters such as the scene in Saving Private Ryan where Hanks talks about being a school teacher. I felt for Hanks when he died and I don't think I felt the same for the Rogue One squad. They tried in a few places such as Jyn bawling at seeing her father's hologram message, but it fell short.
 
George Oscar Bluth II said:
I'm starting to think the only thing people remember from the hologram is "Help me, Obi-Wan Kenobi. You're my only hope."
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This. People are generally ignorant. I saw it this afternoon and at the end, the people sitting in front me go "what the fuck, Luke wasn't even in it!".

Ridiculous, they didn't even know what they were watching.
 
NYR said:
This. People are generally ignorant. I saw it this afternoon and at the end, the people sitting in front me go "what the fuck, Luke wasn't even in it!".

Ridiculous, they didn't even know what they were watching.
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Haha, those people must be really frustrated after TFA and Rogue One.
 
Aselith said:
Can't believe people are putting Revenge of the Sith over Attack of the Clones. I mean yeah Clones is a mess but it has some of the coolest action in that trilogy. ROTS has lame ass prequel Jedi battles with the twirling like their on fucking parade. Anakin vs Obi Wan is some lame shit.

Attack of the Clones is the best of a bad lot.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8tMZdrUx8eM
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Ranking the prequels at all is a waste of time, all 3 of them are utterly atrocious and not worth watching.

1. Empire
2. A New Hope
3. Return of the Jedi
4. Rogue One
5. The Force Awakens
 
Just saw it and holy shit was it dark. Saved the universe? Here, get vaporized in a space nuclear explosion. What an intense movie, you know how it ends but you can still feel the tension and root for the characters.
Donnie Yen was the true mvp, he both kicked ass in his fights and was touching. We need more martial artists in Star Wars.
Vader was a beast, there is no finesse in his movements, he justs walk straight and slashes people with one hand and strangling with the other. It could have been the best way to end the movie if they didn't go on and insisted to show wooden cgi Leia.
The score was pretty bad I thought, it felt like poor man's John Williams at times...
 
VAD said:
Just saw it and holy shit was it dark. Saved the universe? Here, get vaporized in a space nuclear explosion. What an intense movie, you know how it ends but you can still feel the tension and root for the characters.
Donnie Yen was the true mvp, he both kicked ass in his fights and was touching. We need more martial artists in Star Wars.
Vader was a beast, there is no finesse in his movements, he justs walk straight and slashes people with one hand and strangling with the other. It could have been the best way to end the movie if they didn't go on and insisted to show wooden cgi Leia.
The score was pretty bad I thought, it felt like poor man's John Williams at times...
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The score's definitely worth a second listen on its own. Krennic's Aspirations, Your Father Would Be Proud and Hope are really good. It's a grower.
 
Saw it for the second time today, loved it even more than the first.
Blue Leader was a badass pilot with a badass stache.

One of the more funny lines in the movie to me is when Jyn is speaking to the rebel council and someone in the background yells "what is she proposing?" And someone quickly responds "Just let the girl talk." I guess it's just the delivery but those two lines crack me up.
EDIT: I also have a massive celeb crush on Felicity Jones now lol
 
Not sure if it's been brought up and I can't find the pics now, but I saw pages from those big visual guide books for Rogue One and it details some pretty gnarly looking characters that can be seen in Jedah, including a woman with the top half of her head cut off and replaced with a computer and a being walking around with his head removed. Their bios all point to them being victims of Dr. Fuckface and Ponda Assface so that makes them showing up in the movie a bit cooler.

Edit: Nvm, can't get them to show.
 
I loved this... I love this SOOO much!

Great and coherent story (something very rare in SW lately), great characters and very emotional.
It shows the rebel with a grayer tone instead of pristine white like, well, all past movies and shows the Empire's most menacing and powerful face.

There aren´t any stand-alone scene, like the OT , but there are a bunch of small ones that make the whole movie engaging. The scenes that recall past or future )events are very unobtrusive and tame, much better handled than EP VII for example.

One of the scenes that caught my attention was the
rebel fleet trying to hyperspace just to crash on that super star destroyer
. Its something very creative yet obvious, that I was wondering " how I´ve never seen this in games or movie before"
 
brandonh83 said:
Speaking of the loads of things in the trailers not in the film, do we know the story behind the TIE rising in front of Jyn on the transmitter catwalk? That had boss fight written all over it and I'm so bummed it's not there.
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It was a test effects shot that was never actually a scene from the movie, but they thought it was cool so used it in marketing.
 
mrkgoo said:
I've seen movies where blind people do crazy stuff and no Force required. That's the point of his character here. It's about faith. Figuratively and literally (lol) blind faith. As mentioned, to those characters the Force may or may not be real. That's the set up of the OT and here in R1.


If the Force is so blatantly real and obvious, then why doesn't Baze fully believe?

"THe Force saved me."
"I saved you!"

That's their whole banter through the movie. One character is perhaps skeptical, and the other has total devotion. A devotion which is put to the test at the end. Was it the Force? Was it blind luck?

Hell even those very themes are in the OT, between Han and Obi-Wan.

"I call it luck."
"In my experience, there's no such thing a story luck."

And as also mentioned, if it didn't work for you, fine, but you may have missed the point of the characters and scene.
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It was also stated Baze was just as much a believer if not more at one time.
 
It was a good movie. The final battle can stand up with the best of them in the OT, and the droid was great.

I think the hype about the CGI impersonations was overblown... we're still quite a ways away from them being convincing for any length of time, from what I saw.
 
-griffy- said:
It was a test effects shot that was never actually a scene from the movie, but they thought it was cool so used it in marketing.
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RoKKeR said:
Watching ESB right now and the callsign of the X-Wing that finds Luke and Han on Hoth is Rogue Two...Mind blown.
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You mean the snowspeeder? Before Disney erased the EU, Luke was the founder of 'Rogue Squadron', the best pilots in the Rebellion. I guess the whole Rogue call sign has been recontextualized now in a pretty cool way.
 
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