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[SwolBro]

Mostly it means "I watched South Park somewhat recently."

Although it could also mean "I saw other people talking about South Park on reddit recently"

In this specific case it seems to mean "I didn't actually watch the movie I'm criticizing." Maybe he's scrolling around wikipedia/imdb for relevant details right now? I dunno.

I find this to be the most hilarious shitty rebuttal to anyone that doesn't like these corporate directed films. "oh you didn't even see it" uh, ok.

The fact that some of you go to great depths to justify filmmaking by template is shocking to me. It's horrifying. Corporate apologists ushering in a new era of hollywood blockbusters....

 

[Bobby Roberts]

I find this to be the most hilarious shitty rebuttal to anyone that doesn't like these corporate directed films. "oh you didn't even see it" uh, ok.

No, I mean the way you speak makes it sound like you didn't even watch it. None of your preceding posts seems to belie any real knowledge of what the film is or did. You keep dropping vague buzzword-strewn criticism.

I get no real sense that you actually watched the movie.

Has nothing to do with people who just generally don't like the movie. Thread's got a ton of people who didn't like it in here, and most of them are able to express themselves in such a way that it becomes pretty obvious they're sharing their opinion in good faith, and that they paid attention to what they're watching, and almost nobody is pressing them like "I bet you didn't even watch the movie" as a response - there's a couple jokey responses to that end, but those aren't serious accusations or anything. It's like yelling "are you blind" at an ump.

But your shit is so calorie-free that it honestly begs the question as to whether you even saw the thing you're in here to wipe your ass on.

 

[captive]

I just saw it. I'm baffled with the reactions here. I thought it was one of the best Star Wars Movies. Yeah, the start was abit slow but man it was good.

Agreed, much better movie than the force awakens I mean a new hope remake.

The only quibble I have is all the main characters dying, but I guess they had to do that sense of they lived everyone would be like why weren't they included in the original trilogy

 

[SwolBro]

No, I mean the way you speak makes it sound like you didn't even watch it. None of your preceding posts seems to belie any real knowledge of what the film is or did. You keep dropping vague buzzword-strewn criticism.

I get no real sense that you actually watched the movie.

Has nothing to do with people who just generally don't like the movie. Thread's got a ton of people who didn't like it in here, and most of them are able to express themselves in such a way that it becomes pretty obvious they're sharing their opinion in good faith, and that they paid attention to what they're watching, and almost nobody is pressing them like "I bet you didn't even watch the movie" as a response - there's a couple jokey responses to that end, but those aren't serious accusations or anything. It's like yelling "are you blind" at an ump.

But your shit is so calorie-free that it honestly begs the question as to whether you even saw the thing you're in here to wipe your ass on.

Oh ok

Soooooo you're telling me this movie didn't have

1. Story based on the death star just like some of the other films in the series?
2. Death star blowing up a bunch of people?
3. Orphaned hero?
4. Orphaned hero's mentor dying?
5. Funny robot accompanying orphaned hero?
6. Bad boy pilot that starts off sketchy but then turns into a loving good guy you cheer for?
7. Another defected pilot with a hologram message?

The fucking list goes on dude. It's all the same crap we've seen before. And on top of all that there's the horrible actor selections, terrible lines, silly dialogue and comedy attempts that don't work but lets not even bother with that.

At this point this franchise is all about nostalgia and no fresh ideas hence the member berries comment. They're doing Star Wars how they did the Marvel flicks. It's a very defined template and they'll follow it straight down the line. If you're ok with that that's fine. I'm not.

I find it all revolting.

 

[Jumeira]

I watched is again last night, got to say it's MUCH better on my second viewing. Given I knew where it was going to go, and had tempered my expectations, I was able to enjoy the first half, which I initially hated.

I thought it was good intially, got to say I loved it on my second viewing.

*shrugs* I was able to care about Galen, Cassian, Chirrut, and most of all Bodhi.

Jyn was a bit bland, Baze needed more screen time, and K2 is just a droid.

But Bodhi, man, I think he's one of my new favorite Star Wars characters.

High five. Bodhi was the soul of the crew, also is responsible for naming them Rogue One.

 

[Bobby Roberts]

Oh ok

I find it all revolting.

Oh ok.

I don't believe you. Nothing about you reads as authentic. Dunno what else to say.

Merry Christmas!

 

[Vincent Alexander]

Oh ok.

I don't believe you. Nothing about you reads as authentic. Dunno what else to say.

Merry Christmas!

You mean Happy Holidays, you monster!

 

[Spehornoob]

Saw this last night! Enjoyed it, but I do think it's a flawed film with some very bizarre choices.

I didn't feel the two leads at all. Jyn and Cassian I just found to be boring, and I don't think their arcs are particularly earned. Especially the hints at a possible romance between them. The cast is saved by the guardians and the droid though, who I thought were entertaining throughout.

Vader's scenes were executed wonderfully (yes, I liked the pun), but I question the decision to place Vader's horror show scene after the main characters are all dead and the plot has basically been resolved. I was hoping that Vader would be an intimidating, insurmountable obstacle that these characters. Instead he just turned out to be fanservice and gore-fluff at the end.

Didn't mind CG Tarkin at all. I could tell he was CG, but it didn't bother me.

The Saw Gerrera stuff fell flat on it's face, but I did kind of enjoy Whitaker's hammy performance. I just don't think the things he did (the bor gullet, him staying and dying by the Death Star blast) were fleshed out enough to serve the purpose they were supposed to.

The majority of the third act is awesome though, and totally makes up for any shortcomings the movie has, and makes it an overall enjoyable film. They made good on making a War film set in the Star Wars universe. The action is intense and brutal. Loved it.

So I definitely recommend seeing it, but I do believe it's a highly flawed film. Moreso than The Force Awakens, which was safer, but overall more solid.

 

[Cheebo]

Yeah I would bet good money Swol here didn't see it. None of his plot point examples line up with the actual film at all. All sound vaguely based wildely off base assumptions taken from trailer and tv spots.

In what universe is Cassian Han Solo like bad boy? Not any this film existed in.

And comparing Bohdi Rooks character arc to Finn? I mean what the hell? It's a parody how awful that analysis is.

There are valid reasons to not like this movie. But making up plot points that don't exist in the film isn't really a good one.

 

[Bobby Roberts]

You mean Happy Holidays, you monster!

I mean "GET IN THE SACK IT'S KRAMPUSNACHT"

 

[mrkgoo]

I watched is again last night, got to say it's MUCH better on my second viewing. Given I knew where it was going to go, and had tempered my expectations, I was able to enjoy the first half, which I initially hated.

I thought it was good intially, got to say I loved it on my second viewing.



High five. Bodhi was the soul of the crew, also is responsible for naming them Rogue One.

Mostly, it's just getting over the initial presentation and actually being able to focus a little more. Yes, it is the movie at fault if it's a littleness more difficult to follow the first time, but the plot points are much clearer in subsequent viewings.

It's not really an excuse or justification, but it eases the hyper-criticism one might have for it.

 

[Vault Dweller 111]

I'm sure Swol saw it. But I think he knew the narractive he wanted to walk out of the theater with and made sure it fit no matter what.

Trying to say that 3PO and K2 are the same or Cassien is like Solo is just desperate grasping at straws. But if you wanted that narrative I guess I could convince myself of it.

He also doesn't seem to know that every hero ever is an orphan.

The biggest stretch is that they are following some template. Yes, the Death Star is in the movie. But this is not like any SW movie that we have ever seen before, and the critics owe it that much at least.

 

[Cheebo]

I love the argument that these spinoffs have made the franchise a cookie cutter soulless franchise that is repeating itself . As if before Disney it was pure and independent
And Disney "ruined" Lucasfilm.

We are talking about the same Lucasfilm that released not one but TWO Ewok spinoff films yes?

 

[SuperStiltzkin]

Anyone who sees Cassian as a Han Solo type or Saw Gerrera as anything close to Obi Wan is reaching for the fucking stars. Han Solo shooting Greedo is not supposed to be a deplorable act. Shooting someone who has a gun already drawn on you is not the same as shooting a scared civilian in the back. At no point does Cassian become lovable. You start to understand him as a soldier for the cause, but at no point did I ever go "damn that Cassian is a suave lovable motherfucker."

And it's a movie about stealing Death Star plans. If you didn't want to see another movie with the Death Star in it, why did you go see it ya damn idiot?

So yeah, even if you did see the movie, it's impossible to take the criticism seriously when you gotta paint with such a broad brush and bend the narrative to fit your criticism.

 

[SargerusBR]

I love the argument that these spinoffs have made the franchise a cookie cutter soulless franchise that is repeating itself . As if before Disney it was pure and independent
And Disney "ruined" Lucasfilm.

We are talking about the same Lucasfilm that released not one but TWO Ewok spinoff films yes?

Those things are far worse than the Christmas Special

 

[Einchy]

Rey and Jyn are the same cus boobies.

Anyone who sees Cassian as a Han Solo type or Saw Gerrera as anything close to Obi Wan is reaching for the fucking stars.

And it's a movie about stealing Death Star plans. If you didn't want to see another movie with the Death Star in it, why did you go see it ya damn idiot?

"The fuck, this movie is about the Star Wars universe? When will they try something new with these movies and make it take place somewhere else?"

 

[Jinroh]

The more I think about it, the more I don't understand the point of the tentacle ero monster. You could remove this awkward scene and the movie wouldn't be missing anything. What was the point of showing this?

 

[Einchy]

The more I think about it, the more I don't understand the point of the tentacle ero monster. You could remove this awkward scene and the movie wouldn't be missing anything. What was the point of showing this?

That Saw is such a paranoid lunatic that he has a monster that can steal memories while destroying their minds. It was the Star War-ish way of showing he tortures people for information.

 

[SwolBro]

I'm sure Swol saw it. But I think he knew the narractive he wanted to walk out of the theater with and made sure it fit no matter what.

See these comments are ridiculous. They imply childish intent which actually says more about the person making the comment than the person the comments are directed at. I paid MONEY, my MONEY to go see it. Almost $30 dollars for two tickets to be exact. Why would i do that for something i actively wanted to hate? Teenagers may do something like that, sure. I'm not in my teens.

I went because my gf wanted to see it and there was nothing else to do or see last night. I would have loved to walk out surprised, i wasn't. I did walk in skeptical though, considering what Disney did with Force Awakens and the endless amounts of Marvel superhero flicks. My expectations were very very low. I was at times entertained, way more than Force Awakens which was laughably bad, but in the end it was the same shit i came to expect.

These are average to below average children movies that for purely nostalgic reasons grown ass adults love to defend or pretend they're good movies when they're not even close. I don't take any of this stuff personal besides the fact that Force Awakens set a new precedent for hollywood blockbusters and we'll be seeing things like it for many many many years to come.

 

[Bronx-Man]

You mean Happy Holidays, you monster!

I mean "GET IN THE SACK IT'S KRAMPUSNACHT"

Actually, it's Happy Life Day.

 

[Bobby Roberts]

 

[Ushojax]

The more I think about it, the more I don't understand the point of the tentacle ero monster. You could remove this awkward scene and the movie wouldn't be missing anything. What was the point of showing this?

The first half of the movie made a point of showing the darker side of the Rebellion, with Cassian murdering his informant, Saw torturing Bodhi and the general who secretly ordered Galen's assassination.

 

[Razgriz-Specter]

After this that cheesy bit from Rebels that hyped up the Y-Wings the Rebel crew stole earlier this season for General Dodonna works soooo much better.

 

[Real Hero]

The alien mind reader monster was not memorable at all. That scene really should have had more impact.

 

[TrueBlue]

EDIT: Nvm, misread.

 

[Bobby Roberts]

After this that cheesy bit from Rebels that hyped up the Y-Wings the Rebel crew stole earlier this season for General Dodonna works soooo much better.

one of those Y-Wings killed Galen Erso!

 

[JesseZao]

The alien mind reader monster was not memorable at all. That scene really should have had more impact.

And Bohdi didn't even lose his mind. Saw was just overall ineffective as a plot device.

 

[Bobby Roberts]

Someone should photoshop a can of Krylon or Glade at the other end of his breathing tube.

Hell, they shoulda got Charlie Day to play him.

"I need to see Saw! Where is saw!"
"YOU CALL HIM THE DAYMAN"

 

[TrueBlue]

I said this last week, but the movie really hits its stride after Saw's death. All the disjointed elements come together for the first time and the film doesn't look back.

Until then, it's just a bit messy.

 

[UnemployedVillain]

The alien mind reader monster was not memorable at all. That scene really should have had more impact.

Why? It was simply meant to show how crazed Saw was. It wasn't suppose to be the next Jaba the Hutt or Sarlacc Pit

 

[George Oscar Bluth II]

 

[Real Hero]

Why? It was simply meant to show how crazed Saw was. It wasn't suppose to be the next Jaba the Hutt or Sarlacc Pit

It didn't do that though, Saw seems less harsh than the main rebel guy who shot someone in the opening. We really didn't see the mind reader thing do much bad (it had no impact) and visually it wasn't memorable at all.

 

[munchie64]

These are average to below average children movies that for purely nostalgic reasons grown ass adults love to defend or pretend they're good movies when they're not even close. I don't take any of this stuff personal besides the fact that Force Awakens set a new precedent for hollywood blockbusters and we'll be seeing things like it for many many many years to come.

I think it has more to do with different people liking different things, but that's just me.

 

[Bronx-Man]

That's another missed opportunity: Bodhi's mind getting frazzled by that damm thing.

 

[Rydeen]

It didn't do that though, Saw seems less harsh than the main rebel guy who shot someone in the opening. We really didn't see the mind reader thing do much bad (it had no impact) and visually it wasn't memorable at all.

I feel like the mind reading squid thing was a bigger plot element or device from two or three screenplay drafts ago that somehow still made it into the finished movie. That whole scene would've been more effective if Saw used a reprogrammed interrogation droid that Vader used on Leia in A New Hope, would've sold the parallel dynamic of Saw better.

 

[deadscreensky]

The first half of the movie made a point of showing the darker side of the Rebellion, with Cassian murdering his informant, Saw torturing Bodhi and the general who secretly ordered Galen's assassination.

And so they need to keep fighting to make sure all these terrible things are worth something.

*cue inappropriately heroic music*

This movie did a really poor job with characters arcs and just general tone. Maybe the reshoots are partially to blame, I don't know. I'd be curious to look at the original script -- there must have been actual character arcs at some point in the process, right? Perhaps some of these themes it introduces were actually explored?

Not a bad movie, I had some fun with it, but in a lot of areas it's definitely badly made. The review I saw calling it a placeholder film was dead on.

I really hope all of the new Star Wars villains we get aren't annoying whiners. (It's like they used Luke's justified whininess in a New Hope as the template for all of their new villains.) I did find whats-his-name entertaining here, but I'd love it if Disney could give us some genuinely threatening villains too.

 

[Fattony12000]

Shadows of the Empire 2

 

[SuperStiltzkin]

These are average to below average children movies that for purely nostalgic reasons grown ass adults love to defend or pretend they're good movies when they're not even close. I don't take any of this stuff personal besides the fact that Force Awakens set a new precedent for hollywood blockbusters and we'll be seeing things like it for many many many years to come.

This reads like a negative review of ANH when it came out. "Pah! Sci Fi action schlock with flashy lights and explosions! It will ushher in an era of dumbed down movies only children would enjoy! I remember when Hollywood had something to say. When their blockbusters were deep an contemplative." Cue 7 more Star Wars movies. Clearly Star Wars has killed the smart sci Fi genre.

 

[Cheebo]

See these comments are ridiculous. They imply childish intent which actually says more about the person making the comment than the person the comments are directed at. I paid MONEY, my MONEY to go see it. Almost $30 dollars for two tickets to be exact. Why would i do that for something i actively wanted to hate? Teenagers may do something like that, sure. I'm not in my teens.

I went because my gf wanted to see it and there was nothing else to do or see last night. I would have loved to walk out surprised, i wasn't. I did walk in skeptical though, considering what Disney did with Force Awakens and the endless amounts of Marvel superhero flicks. My expectations were very very low. I was at times entertained, way more than Force Awakens which was laughably bad, but in the end it was the same shit i came to expect.

These are average to below average children movies that for purely nostalgic reasons grown ass adults love to defend or pretend they're good movies when they're not even close. I don't take any of this stuff personal besides the fact that Force Awakens set a new precedent for hollywood blockbusters and we'll be seeing things like it for many many many years to come.

The fact you think the same studio makes the marvel movies
and Star Wars pretty much settles that you don't know what you are talking about. Marvel Studios, Lucasfilm, and Walt Disney Studios are all 3 separate subsidiaries under Disney.

Claiming "Disney" makes both these set of films is just as valid as claiming ESPN made both Rogue One and Doctor Strange.

Marvel Studios and Lucasfilm are seperate studios. Disney doesn't decide which films they make. Their own production staffs do.

 

[Bobby Roberts]

but I'd love it if Disney could give us some genuinely threatening villains too.

Lucasfilm.

Also, you got Vader at the end of this.

Also his grandkid is a mentally unstable school shooter, basically. That shit is pretty threatening. Sure, he's not some hulking, brick shithouse mass of evil. But you don't need to be the Terminator to be genuinely threatening. Unhinged Adam Driver spiraling down into pure psychotic behavior will probably be pretty threatening. I'd imagine Rian Johnson has some shit in mind for that.

Maybe the reshoots are partially to blame, I don't know

doubtful.

 

[Iceternal]

I said this last week, but the movie really hits its stride after Saw's death. All the disjointed elements come together for the first time and the film doesn't look back.

Until then, it's just a bit messy.

I feel like the part on Edeu is really slow for some reason .

Maybe it's because it's so dark but I almost fell asleep both times.

To me the movie really gets going just after that .

 

[Rydeen]

This post reminded me K2-SO's the best new character design in a Star Wars movie in years, perfect. So good, he's the first Star Wars action figure I've bought in over a decade.

 

[Enduin]

You could definitely tell there was a good amount of reshoots at certain points. More than a few times felts like decent chunks had been cut out.

Movie needed some cuts and additions. If I had my way it would have had another 30 minutes in there mostly to beef up some scenes and expand on the characters.

The movie desperately needed another 5+ minutes at the start with just Galen, Jyn and her mother living their life and him dispensing knowledge on her and showing a father/daughter bond. None of the characters really had any moments to breath and let us get to know them.

The entire middle act of the movie was just not good though in terms of plot. It was wholly unnecessary in how things transpired. They should have gotten to the actual stealing of the plans much sooner and not had the uneven find Saw/Bodhi, go kill Galen segments. Or at least in the way they occurred.

Had they done something instead where finding Saw/Bodhi was much more immediate in a more formality type thing that he would only speak to Jyn and there was a rift between them in going to get the Deathstar plans like Galen wanted and getting Galen himself that could have been a good character building moment between Jyn and Saw.

The whole kill Galen segment was just dumb and pointless. Just make it a failed rescue based on Jyn's emotions. They then go back to Saw who has prepared a big assault to try and capture the plans, but they followed back and attacked and Saw has to sacrifice himself to save Jyn. Then they are off to steal the Deathstar plans with more focus on infiltration and going through the base there. With the rebels coming in like they did and providing backup once things start to fall apart. Then everything could play out more or less like it did with everyone biting it.

 

[SwolBro]

The fact you think the same studio makes the marvel movies
and Star Wars pretty much settles that you don't know what you are talking about. Marvel Studios, Lucasfilm, and Walt Disney Studios are all 3 separate subsidiaries under Disney.

Claiming "Disney" makes both these set of films is just as valid as claiming ESPN made both Rogue One and Doctor Strange.

Marvel Studios and Lucasfilm are seperate studios. Disney doesn't decide which films they make. Their own production staffs do.

haha you really think the heads of Disney don't have total control? You're really that naive? It's possible the head of Marvel is ultimately responsible for this current template but Disney has now adopted it for everything they own.

 

[Vault Dweller 111]

That damn Disney template where every single character dies. It's getting really tiring!

 

[SuperStiltzkin]

I don't know how anyone can look at Disney's output in 2016 and somehow view them as some creatively bankrupt evil megacorporation that is out to kill creative movies.

 

[D i Z]

That damn Disney template where every single character dies. It's getting really tiring!

What did you expect from Rogue One? They let that one out of the bag decades ago.

Edit: was that sarcasm over my head? It's the funny season. I can't tell.

Second edit: This was the kind of Star Wars that I've been waiting for. Something that would set a new pace to have Star Wars grow up with me, and not expect me to be stuck in an eight year old in the 80's mindset to enjoy them. I'm all in for more, as long as there is a distinction between the mainline saccharine G rated fun, and content that is more absorbing.

I'm excited to see some stories that aren't about fathers killing off and ruining their offspring by working with fascist governments. Let's stretch right out of this loop.

 

[Lifejumper]

I don't know how anyone can look at Disney's output in 2016 and somehow view them as some creatively bankrupt evil megacorporation that is out to kill creative movies.

I don't think he can be convinced.

Hes sticking with his narrative.

 

[SuperStiltzkin]

That damn Disney template where every single character dies. It's getting really tiring!

It's funny because Disney is the one that encouraged Edwards to kill everyone off. Edwards wrote a version where everyone lived cause he thought Disney wouldn't let him make a movie where all the main characters die.

 

[Irnbru]

See these comments are ridiculous. They imply childish intent which actually says more about the person making the comment than the person the comments are directed at. I paid MONEY, my MONEY to go see it. Almost $30 dollarsfor two tickets to be exact. Why would i do that for something i actively wanted to hate? Teenagers may do something like that, sure. I'm not in my teens.

Should've gotten an Italian dinner instead

Honestly you're trying to be to edgy