True Savior
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That looked worse than I could even possibly imagine. What a terrible letdown the december trailers.
Alien Covenant Trailer Released
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Yautja_Warrior
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Gemüsepizza;227166137 said:
Each to their own I guess but when you start picking faults like that, then you probably won't enjoy many movies.
Its best not to over think it and this is just a teaser trailer, we still don't know much about how good the movie really is yet but you really shouldn't judge a movie on a trailer.
"We landed on a planet and there's aliens on it oh nooooooo"
It seems rather by the numbers. I mean the Alien universe is not that deep. There's some aliens. They kill people. That's it. The first movie was an effective horror film with a unique setting. The second movie was just a crazy action film with that same setting. It was unique as it was an unexpected way to take the franchise. But that's it, you've exhausted what you can do with the franchise.
It seems rather by the numbers. I mean the Alien universe is not that deep. There's some aliens. They kill people. That's it. The first movie was an effective horror film with a unique setting. The second movie was just a crazy action film with that same setting. It was unique as it was an unexpected way to take the franchise. But that's it, you've exhausted what you can do with the franchise.
Sinfamy
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Yea. I'm hoping it's just the trailer that's bad, but why make it this bad?
They really could have made a better trailer by just showing some dark hallways with flickering lights and with ominous music playing and it would be better.
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JoJo UK
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There was indeed a sex scene written for Dallas and Ripley by O'Bannon, Kane's body floats past them outside the ship while they are doing the sideways shuffle. It wasn't filmed but Ridley story boarded it (I think he story boards everything though).
The scene in the trailer does seem very 'AVP' however. Actually that's how the whole trailer felt to me, like a high brow AVP sequel.
Bucket Mouse
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Trailer looks terribly uninspiring. Visuals are dependably immaculate but not particularly rich in atmospherics. Any hope that this would jettison any connection to Prometheus has been dashed.
Lazlo Woodbine
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Alien franchise isn't exactly one for one like Blade Runner in my eyes so if this is basically an exercise in keeping Scott away from 2049 then so be it.
Looks utterly uninsipred (slasher shower scene really!?) and I say that as someone who thought the Prometheus trailer was godly but the film = trash.
Looks utterly uninsipred (slasher shower scene really!?) and I say that as someone who thought the Prometheus trailer was godly but the film = trash.
Man, our future selves really like to put themselves in harms way on alien planets without much sense of self preservation or basic biohazard protection.
Walking around again without helmets exposing themselves to all sorts of microscopic filth, not running the fuck away when seeing big slimey alien eggs.. Strange..
I guess we had to trade in our comon sense for all that advanced technology.
Walking around again without helmets exposing themselves to all sorts of microscopic filth, not running the fuck away when seeing big slimey alien eggs.. Strange..
I guess we had to trade in our comon sense for all that advanced technology.
Fried Food
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Ugh that trailer deflated all the hype built up by the poster reveal
jufonuk
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Probably why the androids go nuts in this franchise apart from bishop
Just another tired looking Alien film with nothing new to say. Prometheus was awful but at least the trailer was genuinely great, this however? Even the trailer looks as by the numbers as possible. What does that say about the quality of this film?
I have a feeing that this could end up being an embarrassing exercise for all concerned.
How could you possibly tell that?!
I have a feeing that this could end up being an embarrassing exercise for all concerned.
How could you possibly tell that?!
He doesn't look out of place and, more importantly, he's not pointing to his dick. So that's a plus.
Phantast2k
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The trailer makes it look very generic.
And what's with the main character from Prometheus? The robot is there, but not her? Didn't they escape together?
And what's with the main character from Prometheus? The robot is there, but not her? Didn't they escape together?
Noomi didn't want to be in the movie.
I just didn't think Ridley would get so lazy. We all got the penis/rape metaphor 40 years ago, having a sex scene where someone gets stabbed by a xenomorph tail rather than a dick...it belongs in Scary Movie.
Phantast2k
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I see. Seems like it could make sense story-wise:
http://www.cinemablend.com/new/Alien-Covenant-Won-t-Include-Prometheus-Noomi-Rapace-109377.html
I'm avoiding spoilers but it looks like all of you reading the spoilers are not happy one bit. Hoping that the final product really delivers....please, Ridley. Don't mess this up, please.
That sucks...I really like Gregson-William's music and he usually always works with Scott from time to time. Hope the music is good in this. I'm surprised Scott didn't go to his other usual composer - Marc Streitenfeld. I haven't heard any of Jed's music, though I know he recently composed Macbeth and Assassin's Creed the movie.
Haha, true, but i'd hope that the film gives us a decent enough and convincing reason as to why these guys are so careless. Not counting on it though with the track record that Prometheus set with some off decisionmaking by its characters.
That sucks...I really like Gregson-William's music and he usually always works with Scott from time to time. Hope the music is good in this. I'm surprised Scott didn't go to his other usual composer - Marc Streitenfeld. I haven't heard any of Jed's music, though I know he recently composed Macbeth and Assassin's Creed the movie.
Haha, true, but i'd hope that the film gives us a decent enough and convincing reason as to why these guys are so careless. Not counting on it though with the track record that Prometheus set with some off decisionmaking by its characters.
I still can't understand why Theron did not move *out* of the way haha
Vigilant Walrus
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It looked beautiful like Prometheus, but going on the trailer it looked like another movie with another crew, finding an ancient alien spaceship/construct, followed by a facehugger, following it on getting on board and killing everyone. That is the plot of Alien 1 and Prometheus.
Aliens was a different film because it was about a military survey film. It was action film as much as it was a horror film and it dealt with brawn and guns to fight them and survive.
Alien 3 is a cat-in-a-mouse trap film where prisoners are using themselves as bait to get out of a complex. It's a different movie entirely too.
Alien 4 is an escape heist film where the attempt is to try and get off. It's a different movie entirely even if it is inferior to all the others, you cannot deny that that it at least is different, just like 2 and 3.
What Güsep is saying is that the trailer implies this is going for the cheap thrills. It's probed reactions because it always works, but holding the series in higher regard you expect one of the greatest living directors doing one of the most beloved franchises to rise above the bottom minimum of creative input.
What does this film offer that Prometheus didn't? How does this expand the mythos and lore of this universe? What will be learned and change how we look at all the other films? Because it looks like a tit-for-that remake.
Nerdwriter made a video about this called the intertextual currency of hollywood: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QeAKX_0wZWY&t=1s < It's an excellent video.
In a related video he made he talks about the epidemic of passable movies: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ukk5TJL27pE < Movies that aren't bad or poorly made, but which are simply passable.
Prometheus was such a movie. It's a technically competent and skillfully made film. But it's not made with the love and vigor of someone who had a lot to say. Does Ridley Scott have anything meaningful left to say?
Here you have one of the greatest directors. His films are legendary (some of them), but his creative tank seems completely deflated. He is a visual visionary, he understands epics, grand, style, and he is a tour de force when he combines his vision with the likes of Hans Zimmer. But the reality is that many of his films have lacked in the writing and character department.
As have Cameron. Avatar is barely passable. So are many recent Spielberg films. These are legendary groundbreaking directors who've succumbed to mediocrity. The films are well made, they consist of large crews and budget that only these guys can do effectively. Cameron, Spielberg and Scott are the 3 juggernauts who shoot with extra RED cameras just for the fuck of it. Nobody of their caliber does that, but they do it because they are on a tight schedule and because the crews operate like a military unit. They are immensely rich and there is no time to waste their time.
There are others, but directors like Bay do not have the good will of these 3 guys here. Nobody expects Bay to be anything other than flash. This is not the case for Cameron, Spielberg and Ridley Scott.
The problem with being aware of tropes, cheap thrills and plot holes is that they do make you unable to enjoy it. Sometimes you do wish you could stick the crayon up back into your brain and just enjoy. But that isn't really possible. Once you've dug into the rabbit hole, there is no going up. It always attracts from the experience once you realize, how the sausage is made.
IMO, movies are in a rut now and have been for a few years. Over the last 15 years since HBO revolutionized TV budgets, we see more and more of the meaningful content that matters to us on TV. They've become excellent at making high budget multi season'ed stories that give us the advantage of following characters and seeing character development over many episodes. This gives us an ability to have deeper effection, investment and nuanced emotional responses over many hours.
Movies are difficult because you got 1,5-3 hours to take the audience through an emotional roller coaster. How are you going to be feel about characters from one movie as you felt about Tony from the Sopranos who had many seasons to flesh him out? Or even a single season like the characters in True Detective?
Movies will have a resurgence, but now that Hollywood is weak and unable to fund many of the good scripts, ideas and stories, I think there is a chance for other territories like China to exercise some healthy competition.
Aliens was a different film because it was about a military survey film. It was action film as much as it was a horror film and it dealt with brawn and guns to fight them and survive.
Alien 3 is a cat-in-a-mouse trap film where prisoners are using themselves as bait to get out of a complex. It's a different movie entirely too.
Alien 4 is an escape heist film where the attempt is to try and get off. It's a different movie entirely even if it is inferior to all the others, you cannot deny that that it at least is different, just like 2 and 3.
What Güsep is saying is that the trailer implies this is going for the cheap thrills. It's probed reactions because it always works, but holding the series in higher regard you expect one of the greatest living directors doing one of the most beloved franchises to rise above the bottom minimum of creative input.
What does this film offer that Prometheus didn't? How does this expand the mythos and lore of this universe? What will be learned and change how we look at all the other films? Because it looks like a tit-for-that remake.
Nerdwriter made a video about this called the intertextual currency of hollywood: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QeAKX_0wZWY&t=1s < It's an excellent video.
In a related video he made he talks about the epidemic of passable movies: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ukk5TJL27pE < Movies that aren't bad or poorly made, but which are simply passable.
Prometheus was such a movie. It's a technically competent and skillfully made film. But it's not made with the love and vigor of someone who had a lot to say. Does Ridley Scott have anything meaningful left to say?
Here you have one of the greatest directors. His films are legendary (some of them), but his creative tank seems completely deflated. He is a visual visionary, he understands epics, grand, style, and he is a tour de force when he combines his vision with the likes of Hans Zimmer. But the reality is that many of his films have lacked in the writing and character department.
As have Cameron. Avatar is barely passable. So are many recent Spielberg films. These are legendary groundbreaking directors who've succumbed to mediocrity. The films are well made, they consist of large crews and budget that only these guys can do effectively. Cameron, Spielberg and Scott are the 3 juggernauts who shoot with extra RED cameras just for the fuck of it. Nobody of their caliber does that, but they do it because they are on a tight schedule and because the crews operate like a military unit. They are immensely rich and there is no time to waste their time.
There are others, but directors like Bay do not have the good will of these 3 guys here. Nobody expects Bay to be anything other than flash. This is not the case for Cameron, Spielberg and Ridley Scott.
The problem with being aware of tropes, cheap thrills and plot holes is that they do make you unable to enjoy it. Sometimes you do wish you could stick the crayon up back into your brain and just enjoy. But that isn't really possible. Once you've dug into the rabbit hole, there is no going up. It always attracts from the experience once you realize, how the sausage is made.
IMO, movies are in a rut now and have been for a few years. Over the last 15 years since HBO revolutionized TV budgets, we see more and more of the meaningful content that matters to us on TV. They've become excellent at making high budget multi season'ed stories that give us the advantage of following characters and seeing character development over many episodes. This gives us an ability to have deeper effection, investment and nuanced emotional responses over many hours.
Movies are difficult because you got 1,5-3 hours to take the audience through an emotional roller coaster. How are you going to be feel about characters from one movie as you felt about Tony from the Sopranos who had many seasons to flesh him out? Or even a single season like the characters in True Detective?
Movies will have a resurgence, but now that Hollywood is weak and unable to fund many of the good scripts, ideas and stories, I think there is a chance for other territories like China to exercise some healthy competition.
Looks very much like a slasher movie. Especially that shower scene. Hope the story itself goes beyond "Crew finds alien and gets killed one by one". We kind of already have that.
Honestly after Prometheus I expected this to be grander sci fi but it seems to actually go more intimate.
Honestly after Prometheus I expected this to be grander sci fi but it seems to actually go more intimate.
Phantast2k
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I think its quite funny that everyone complain about how "stupid the crew is about the egg"
Its happen in both alien and aliens. And nobody say anything about that
When it came Prometheus: Scientists vs.
Messofanego
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This is the only shining light so far, Jed Kurzel is awesome. Listen to his Macbeth score. Hella good at atmospherics.
Bits N Pieces
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I thought that looked pretty good - *shrugs*
Only thing I didn't like is how 'revealing' it was, like we saw what - three characters getting killed off?
Unless there is more to it than they are letting on, anyway ill be there opening weekend. Looking good!
Only thing I didn't like is how 'revealing' it was, like we saw what - three characters getting killed off?
Unless there is more to it than they are letting on, anyway ill be there opening weekend. Looking good!
Vigilant Walrus
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Is Macbeth worth watching?
Thornton Reed
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Looks brilliant I don't understand the hate 
TheChewyWaffles
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This looks boring.
Corpsepyre
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That was great. I'm glad Alien's back. Been too long. Fuck the haters.
Professor Chaos
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Completely underwelmed. Although after Prometheus I can't say that I'm surprised.
BassForever
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I want to believe but the trailer didn't sell me on it
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