Rogue One: A Star Wars Story |OT| They rebel - SPOILERS

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Quick said:
I'm skimming through the soundtrack trying to find the Rogue One theme in full, as it played when the title popped up on screen. I can't seem to find it.
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I don't think it shows up in such a triumphant key again (outside of the Yavin 4 arrival, which isn't actually in the released OST) but it's pretty much all laid out for show at around 1:12 in "Rebellions Are Built On Hope" and 3:20 in "Jyn Erso & Hope Suite".

edit: bah, reading comprehension fail - still, the above are some other places where that particular motif pops up.
 
Branduil said:
I don't see the similarity to Marvel films. Both SW films we've gotten have good cinematography and music.
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As a huge fan of the Marvel movies...I agree. Both current Star Wars movies blow away any of the released Marvel movies when it comes to cinematography and soundtrack. The cinematography of the Marvel films I'd describe as "functional." They tell the story, and they tell it well. They aren't ugly movies, but they aren't going to be taking home any awards.

The cinematography in these Star Wars movies is just damn beautiful art. The Force Awakens and Rogue One could deserve all the praise they get for their cinematography. They're both beautifully shot movies. Some of the shot compositions in Rogue One are truly gorgeous. And by "some" I mean, "most." Like Mad Max: Fury Road, it's a movie I'm going to be going back to and ogling the cinematography at while I draw (I've been studying a lot of films lately for visual storytelling while I work on my comics and storyboarding).
 
I recently read an article stating that 60% of the shots and dialogue in the original Rogue One trailer did not make it into the final film. Damn!

Does anyone know what the movie's final act was supposed to be like prior to the edits and re-shoots? I always wonder what was meant to happen when we see Jyn limping across the satellite catwalk, only to face down a TIE fighter that pops up at the end.
 
Quixzlizx said:
He knew that someone had broken into the archives way before that.

And I didn't say blow up the entire building, just the satellite dish.
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Someone broke into the archives, but for all he knows they may be trying to escape with the physical hard drive rather than trying to transmit the data. Is it worth destroying the satellite and possibly the archives just on the possibility that they might be trying to transmit data? If they just walked out of the building with an intact hard drive, you've destroyed a ton of infrastructure while simultaneously failing to prevent theft of top secret materials. I think it's clear that Krennic is trying to minimize collateral damage, since Vader is already upset at all the trouble the Death Star project has caused.

Can they reasonably destroy just the dish without destroying the archives underneath it? It's not like fire from an AT-AT is terribly precise, and the weight of the satellite collapsing might have brought much of the tower down with it. But then again, we all know that blaster fire can't melt steel beams....
 
Seen 4 times now. Better than TFA, better than Jedi. #2 behind Empire on the "Star Wars movies I'd like to watch again at any time" list.
 
I don't see how anyone can rank this film better than Return of the Jedi. Yeah the Ewoks suck, but ROTJ has the best lightsaber battle of the entire series and easily the best space-dogfighting/capital ship battle. Yeah, if you watch ROTJ on BR/DVD you will probably watch Jabba's Palace and then skip to the end, but if you watch Rogue One you're probably just going to skip straight to Scarif too.
 
Bobby Roberts said:
Empire is still the best lightsaber battle.
The best space battle is Rogue One's now.
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It looked great but I honestly don't think it's better than ROTJ's which I felt was both more engaging and visually pleasing. But I can understand it going either way for sure.

I seriously doubt anything is ever going to touch the confrontation between Luke and Vader in ESB. The end of ROTJ comes close though.
 
Jedi's lightsaber battle is the best. It's also my favorite scene in the franchise.

Jedi also has my favorite space battle, Rogue One included. But I prefer Star Trek DS9's "Sacrifice of Angels" and Battlestar Galactica's "Exodus, Part 2", universally speaking. :P
 
Bobby Roberts said:
Empire is still the best lightsaber battle.
The best space battle is Rogue One's now.
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You're right about Empire, and I think RO is a better movie than RotJ, but no fucking way the space battle in RO is better than the one in RotJ. First of all it feels too much like it's trying to evoke the Jedi battle, by having all those large rebel ships join the battle, having the shot of blowing up the round thing on the Star Destroyer, having the SD crash into anything ship etc. Secondly it doesn't have the god damned Falcon + Wedge going into the Death Star, which alone makes that a better battle sequence and climax. Although I think the parts before that in Jedi > RO too.
 
IMO the Rogue One battle is superior to Jedi's. Plus I don't see how ships flying into a big tube is an integral part of a space battle.
 
It's been mentioned a few times that people didn't like Vader mowing down rebel troopers at the end of this, while he doesn't fight at the start of ANH, but I think that's actually the logical way for things to go down, the way they set it up.

When he's invading the rebel flagship he doesn't know what he's going to find there. There could be skilled rebels, jedi or other powerful enemies aboard that ship. After he effortlessly wades through them though, he knows that there's no one formidable enough for him to be needed and just lets the stormtroopers handle the second assault.
 
Veelk said:
You know, after sitting back and thinking on the film for a really damn long time, I have to realize one main thing.

Why in the fuck is Tarkin in this?

It's highly unsatisfying because false arrogance has nowhere to go when the people who challenge it are explicitly his superiors. It's the perceived inferiors, like a random girl on the other side fighting with no resources to her name in enemy territory, that'd make breaking his illusion of superiority cathartic.
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I don't think this film's goal is to have the most satisfying pay off at the end. Sure, Krennic dies, but it's not even Jyn who shoots him and then she's forced to leave him there. It's not about her personal revenge at that point.
 
One thing that confused me a bit: what was K-2SO doing to that other unit in the elevator? It looked like he was hacking it and their eyes lit up in sync. I was certain he was making a copy of himself and that the other one would show up to fly Jyn and Cassian off at the end. Did it end up just providing info on how to get to the archives?
 
SiegfriedFM said:
One thing that confused me a bit: what was K-2SO doing to that other unit in the elevator? It looked like he was hacking it and their eyes lit up in sync. I was certain he was making a copy of himself and that the other one would show up to fly Jyn and Cassian off at the end. Did it end up just providing info on how to get to the archives?
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I think he was just downloading a map of the structure.
 
mrkgoo said:
"We'll need a map. You know what you have to do, K"

Next scene with K2= hacking into another droid.
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Alright. A bit strange still, when they had made a point earlier that K could be reprogrammed to serve the Empire - obviously that would work the other way around too. But maybe he didn't have the tools necessary for that himself.
 
SiegfriedFM said:
Alright. A bit strange still, when they had made a point earlier that K could be reprogrammed to serve the Empire - obviously that would work the other way around too. But maybe he didn't have the tools necessary for that himself.
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You're thinking way too hard about a Star Wars movie. They needed a map so he hacked into a robot and downloaded one.
 
border said:
I don't see how anyone can rank this film better than Return of the Jedi. Yeah the Ewoks suck, but ROTJ has the best lightsaber battle of the entire series and easily the best space-dogfighting/capital ship battle. Yeah, if you watch ROTJ on BR/DVD you will probably watch Jabba's Palace and then skip to the end, but if you watch Rogue One you're probably just going to skip straight to Scarif too.
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After a few watches the Jabba Palace stuff is boring as well.

Be it I have seen them all 100 times if I was to put them on right now,
ANH -> skip to at least the cantina after intro
ESB -> Hoth >Yoda> final fight
ROTJ -> Yoda then skip to literally the final battle
 
Carcetti said:
IMO the Rogue One battle is superior to Jedi's. Plus I don't see how ships flying into a big tube is an integral part of a space battle.
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Did I say RO should've had ships flying into a tube? No.
I said that part of RotJ was fantastic, it was also part of the space battle, and it gave the whole thing a good climax. The only significant thing that happens in RO's space battle is that cruisier ramming the Star Destroyer into another one and then destroying the shield. It doesn't flow well IMO.
 
https://youtu.be/uJgfxlgUIZY

Redlettermedia double-downing on the criticism of RO as Plinkett goes after Youtube fanboys lol. Honestly I enjoyed the movie and I can get where they are coming from in some aspects but man, 'enjoy the frosting' is kinda harsh. Disney don't care about that as long as they get money.
 
Vectorman said:
https://youtu.be/uJgfxlgUIZY

Redlettermedia double-downing on the criticism of RO as Plinkett goes after Youtube fanboys lol. Honestly I enjoyed the movie and I can get where they are coming from in some aspects but man, 'enjoy the frosting' is kinda harsh. Disney don't care about that as long as they get money.
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"Enjoy the frosting" is harsh but I completely agree. If those anthologies movies keep offering nothing more than recognizable Star Wars memorabilia this is gonna get really old really fast.

I can already see how the Han Solo movie will be a competent, beautiful and completely shallow movie. Some good frosting.
 
Well I'm off work today and so is the whole fam, so it looks like I'm catching a 2nd viewing today.

Also, watching Plinkett reviews? After the bloated mess that was his TFA review? I'm off that.
 
I like RLM, but eehhh...

Their TFA review really disappointed me. Wholly unnecessary and driven by fan demand.

Its also cynical to believe that all the future Star Wars movies will be driven by fan service, but hey its RLM.

I just choose not to be cynical.
 
Bronx-Man said:
Well I'm off work today and so is the whole fam, so it looks like I'm catching a 2nd viewing today.

Also, watching Plinkett reviews? After the bloated mess that was his TFA review? I'm off that.
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Well this one is only 7 minutes and doesn't mention the ring theory even once.
 
Vectorman said:
https://youtu.be/uJgfxlgUIZY

Redlettermedia double-downing on the criticism of RO as Plinkett goes after Youtube fanboys lol. Honestly I enjoyed the movie and I can get where they are coming from in some aspects but man, 'enjoy the frosting' is kinda harsh. Disney don't care about that as long as they get money.
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Yep this is a good "review". The movie would have really benefited from fewer characters and a bit of a rewrite.
 
Have given the score another listen. Not Giacchino's best work by any stretch. It's just weird and sounds not-Star Wars in a dissonant way. Compare this score to say John Carter and it's just night and day.
 
border said:
Someone broke into the archives, but for all he knows they may be trying to escape with the physical hard drive rather than trying to transmit the data. Is it worth destroying the satellite and possibly the archives just on the possibility that they might be trying to transmit data? If they just walked out of the building with an intact hard drive, you've destroyed a ton of infrastructure while simultaneously failing to prevent theft of top secret materials. I think it's clear that Krennic is trying to minimize collateral damage, since Vader is already upset at all the trouble the Death Star project has caused.

Can they reasonably destroy just the dish without destroying the archives underneath it? It's not like fire from an AT-AT is terribly precise, and the weight of the satellite collapsing might have brought much of the tower down with it. But then again, we all know that blaster fire can't melt steel beams....
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TIE Fighters can lock onto X-Wings, but not a giant stationary satellite dish? OK.

I buy that Krennic was too embarrassed/proud to order it more than he didn't have the means at his disposal to successfully do it without blowing up the entire building. It was still a stupid decision, considering it wasn't some unforeseen strategy to beam the data up.
 
JB1981 said:
Have given the score another listen. Not Giacchino's best work by any stretch. It's just weird and sounds not-Star Wars in a dissonant way. Compare this score to say John Carter and it's just night and day.
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To be fair he wasn't given a lot of time to write the music. He was brought in last minute.
 
In what order would you guys rewatch all the movies?

Prior to R1, I would say order of release is the best way to rewatch them, but after R1 I think I'd swap TFA and R1, it's easier going into R1 after RotS than it is after TFA.
 
I finally had the time to watch this and it was great, save for a few things that were like weird choices,for example the music, it was bad, sometimes it started with the main theme and then became a noise similar to that Mansion Theme from Residente Evil that always gets posted on gaming threads about music, I really noticed that in the rainy plabet when Galen was going to be reintroduced to the story.

Also Vader, in the second act he didn't feel like a threat, I mean that joke...while we are at Vader, he looks goofy af, he walks like an Ewok, they should probably hire a taller actor and his helmet was not fixedcharacted the little dent sticking about. The last scene was great though.

Also the faces of Tarkin and Leia, that looked bad, at least Leia was not that much on screen, but Tarkin ...and people complained about it in Tron, at least there you could stretch it and blame that it took part in the virtual world.

I'm more excited for the spin-off than for the episodes. Hopefully the next spin-off can focus on aliens instead of only human, I want a Twi'lek main character.
 
Finally got to see it and I liked it a lot, favorite film since the OT, but not quite as good as Clone Wars.

What I liked
-This was the finale we've been wanting for so long. Compared with the let downs of the PT and TFA with fights, they finally hit it out of the park for the first time since ROTJ. The build up to it is great, the setpieces are great, and the action is too. While it doesn't have the same impact as The Throne Room in Jedi, it does do a pretty good job in giving closure.

I also liked how it was a battle on all sides. TFA and PT was such a massive letdown with space fights, while in the OT each film had a great one. Now we finally had another and even better yet, it's the first time in Star Wars where it felt like it was a group effort. Between the ground soldiers, capital ships, and fighters. Each played their part out to a tragic end, but one that allowed them to pass on that chance and hope to the next.

-The characters, All of them I felt where underdeveloped and needed some more time. But once think I have to give credit for is how diverse the cast was. It really did feel like it was a worldly cast, each with enough personality and charm. Shame they were still underdeveloped, but it was still well acted. And it did bring a smile to see so much of the world represented.

I'm going to keep the rest shorter,

But what I didn't like was the opening. It's clear they wanted to have that sort of introduction where it introduces each member of the team and they form their bonds from their. Basically Seven Samurai... but they botched it pretty damn hard
 
GSG Flash said:
In what order would you guys rewatch all the movies?
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The advantages of release order disappear when you've already watched the movies and formed opinions about them. On a rewatch I always do stuff chronologically.
 
SiegfriedFM said:
Alright. A bit strange still, when they had made a point earlier that K could be reprogrammed to serve the Empire - obviously that would work the other way around too. But maybe he didn't have the tools necessary for that himself.
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They never mentioned or implied that K would've been able to re-program them itself. Methinks you're reading too much into the "their eyes blinked in sync" visual detail ;)
 
ZealousD said:
The advantages of release order disappear when you've already watched the movies and formed opinions about them. On a rewatch I always do stuff chronologically.
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I've tried watching chronologically before, but watching ANH after RotS was just incredibly jarring.
 
Man that hallway Vader scene just had me like:

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