True, it's just a feeling without any further info. So here's some info; the movie felt like it was only made because TFA has whipped up a new SW-frenzy and anything they release now under the SW flag will sell gangbusters as long as it's somehow related to any of the movies. You can get Vader and Death Star in the trailers, that will wake up even the moldiest of fans.
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True, it's just a feeling without any further info. So here's some info; the movie felt like it was only made because TFA has whipped up a new SW-frenzy and anything they release now under the SW flag will sell gangbusters as long as it's somehow related to any of the movies. You can get Vader and Death Star in the trailers, that will wake up even the moldiest of fans.
rokkerkory
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Just saw it! In honor of Carrie Fisher as well, glad she was in it (in spirit at least).
I need to digest the movie for another day or two before providing a 'review'... but walked away feeling perplexed in a positive way if that is possible. Perplexed because it challenges my current way of viewing the SW universe.
Story was told in a much different way than the main films and I wasn't really prepared for it. I had kinda low expectations for Jyn but came away really impressed.
I think I need to see it again after disgesting. It left a positive impact.
I need to digest the movie for another day or two before providing a 'review'... but walked away feeling perplexed in a positive way if that is possible. Perplexed because it challenges my current way of viewing the SW universe.
Story was told in a much different way than the main films and I wasn't really prepared for it. I had kinda low expectations for Jyn but came away really impressed.
I think I need to see it again after disgesting. It left a positive impact.
theCalamity
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How was it told in a different way?
Monocle
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Trigonometrize.
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Well for one, the characters' stories didn't end with a princess handing out medals to them.
theCalamity
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ESB didn't. AotC didn't. TFA didn't. RotS didn't. I don't think RotJ did either.
Lifejumper
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But the movie was in production long before TFA was even released. Do you think they knew that TFA would be such an success?
rokkerkory
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Just one example but less off wall humor. Situations felt more dire than main films. None of stuff like 'laugh it up fuzzball'. Not saying its better or worse just different tone.
Well for one, it told you planet names and locations. That is new.
It wasn't edited like a 30's serial either. No scene wipes to be found.
SuperStiltzkin
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But TFA didn't have Vader or a Death Star. The idea that The Death Star somehow puts butts in seats is kinda crazy. There's more iconography to Star Wars than Vader and the DS. You have stormtroopers, lightsabers, x wings, tie fighters, at ats, aliens etc. There's lore and organizations and people. It's not about seeing any singular aspect. It's about seeing the whole Star Wars universe viewed through a different lens. We've never seen the death Star from Planetside, What it looks like to a boots on the ground soldier. We've never seen Darth Vader from the perspective of a common foot soldier.
I don't think they made Rogue One because they wanted to release a movie with a Death Star and Vader in it. People are gonna watch a Star Wars movie if it says Star Wars on the poster, period. They made Rogue One cause they felt there was a story to be explored and told.
theCalamity
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Oh, just different tone, not different storytelling. Okey dokey.
Jack Scofield
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Is there an in-universe explanation for the Deathtroopers? Were they Krennic's personal body guards or something?
rokkerkory
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They seemed barely better than normal STs
KeyBladerXIII
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I don't know, but they were weird as fuck. Easily a head higher than normal troopers and while the rest had normal dialogue, these guys just went, "gabrkjhkliajgh".
Knightmarre
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Come on, the droid has 15 lines and they were on all on point. When he died I almost cried, he was a true bro till the end.
nhlducks35
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Yeah the writing in the movie really dictated how smart/stupid they are
"Oh, the rebels are hiding over there? Let's take cover and lay down suppressive fire"
"Oh, dude with the machine gun is shooting at us? Let's leave our cover and bum rush him"
LegalEagleMike
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I will say that his death seemed to move me more than the others, it was well done.
I've seen this kind of complaint pop up more than more, not just in regards to vader, but any reference to other SW films of any kind.
Can we acknowledge how fucking insane it is for one second?
"Oh, here is fucking disney, making material that people actually want to see."
Like....yeah? Where there is demand, the person with the supply wants to provide it.
Imagine going to the grocery store like this. "For fucks sake, they are fully stocked on my favorite ice cream again? This is like the fourth week in a row! Can't these cowards take some risk and not give me what I want!?"
Fanservice can be badly done, of course. But I see few and fewer people complaining about fanservice being badly done and more that it exists at all. It's kind of loony toons.
They are pretty much the NAVY SEALS of the Star Wars universe, and operate under the Imperial Intelligence division; so they are pretty much the bodyguards to high ranking officers or VIPs.
Theslammer
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I'm surprised people think a movie about the team that got the Death Star plans shouldn't have a Death Star in it, much less Vader who was on the Death Star for most of ANH and was kind of important to the Empire.
rokkerkory
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The big moment that set all this off for me was when cassian shot a fellow 'rebel' or informant... that kinda blew my mind. Up til then, the rebellion were like the holy ones and all they ever did was good. But this threw it out the window and spoke to a side not many would like to talk about. How war will make even the good guys do bad things. It help set up a huge opportunity for the anthologies to cast the 'good' guys in this light.
This is why this movie left me rethinking what SW could be.
Just got back from watching it. Overall I liked it but just had a few minor issues with it.
1) I didn't like the pacing of the first act. The jump from planet to planet and character to character was hard to follow. Once the 2nd and 3rd acts settled on staying in single locations it was much better. Planet hopping in every single scene was too confusing.
2) Showing Vader in some kind of temple on a lava planet with zero context just for him to have a conversation and then walk away was weird. They couldn't have had that conversation over hologram?? Even if Krennic was summoned, just seemed unnecessary other than them wanting to show the audience that "HEY! Vader is in this movie!!"
3) When they needed to flip the switch and they're pinned down, that one soldier tries to go and gets shot even before he takes 2 steps. But somehow the blind guy can walk the entire distance and not get shot at?? I couldn't help but laugh at the silliness of that moment.
4) I would have preferred that last embrace between Jyn and Cassian to happen at the top of the comms tower instead of at the beach looking at the incoming wave as if it were a romantic sunset. They got the plans out already. Mission accomplished. Having them limp all the way out to the shore to watch the end was just a little bit too much.
Anyways, sounds like I was down on this, but overall I thought it was fine. I'm actually surprised half of the people on here hated it. I watched it with a group of friends who didn't know much about Star Wars and they all liked it. I think if they had tightened up some things in the story/script it could have been REALLY good.
1) I didn't like the pacing of the first act. The jump from planet to planet and character to character was hard to follow. Once the 2nd and 3rd acts settled on staying in single locations it was much better. Planet hopping in every single scene was too confusing.
2) Showing Vader in some kind of temple on a lava planet with zero context just for him to have a conversation and then walk away was weird. They couldn't have had that conversation over hologram?? Even if Krennic was summoned, just seemed unnecessary other than them wanting to show the audience that "HEY! Vader is in this movie!!"
3) When they needed to flip the switch and they're pinned down, that one soldier tries to go and gets shot even before he takes 2 steps. But somehow the blind guy can walk the entire distance and not get shot at?? I couldn't help but laugh at the silliness of that moment.
4) I would have preferred that last embrace between Jyn and Cassian to happen at the top of the comms tower instead of at the beach looking at the incoming wave as if it were a romantic sunset. They got the plans out already. Mission accomplished. Having them limp all the way out to the shore to watch the end was just a little bit too much.
Anyways, sounds like I was down on this, but overall I thought it was fine. I'm actually surprised half of the people on here hated it. I watched it with a group of friends who didn't know much about Star Wars and they all liked it. I think if they had tightened up some things in the story/script it could have been REALLY good.
Considering that location appears to have been added via reshoots; it seems likely the only reason that scene is there is to set something up for one of the later Star Wars Episodes. Darth Vader's castle was a heavy and major cut element from the early version of The Force Awakens and it's likely they will try to use it again for later movies.
Jack Scofield
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The idea existed as far back as the original Star Wars, if I remember correctly.
To your third point, it's because the Force is helping him, it's kind of fucking obvious dude.
To your fourth, if I remember, they were already out of the Comm tower before the Death Star blew the top of it off. Saw their inevitable death and decided to take in what little they had left. If the Death Star blew up the top while they were still there, then my second point still stands.
Lynd7
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I dunno, it comes across as out of character for the force to magically protect him. If he was using the force to shield himself or use it to dodge the fire, it would make more sense logically.
The force didn't protect all those actual Jedi from dying in episode 3.
They were chatting about the BT-15 being discontinued. It's a cute reference to two Stormtroopers chatting about the new BT-16 in the Death Star when Obi-Wan disables the tractor beam in A New Hope.
AdventureRacing
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What blockbuster movies aren't cash grabs? Thats why it's such a meaningless statement that immediately gets people's backs up. It ultimately means nothing and is just an empty statement. It's also such a tires critiscm thrown at blockbusters that it immediately makes you roll your eyes. I'm not saying I don't agree with some of your critiscms. I have tons of problems with the movie but when you make a statement like that people will tend to focus on it.
bishopcruz
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Well, we honestly don't know HOW it works, but one of Imwe's big lines is that all is as the force wills it. He walked knowing that, if he was meant to flip that switch, he was going to be able to, if his fate was to die, he'd die. Turns out his fate was both. It's also not totally insane, people have run across battlefields with bullets flying everywhere, as the only target, and not gotten hit.
I also liked how it kept it ambiguous as to whether or not it was the force, or he was just really damned lucky. It's not a new trope either, I've seen other movies where something similar has happened with the power of god, or prayer, or what have you. Not sure why it bothered so many people..
I could buy it if the Force helped give him insight on how to dodge the laser fire. But he just walked out there in a completely straight line and didn't move to dodge anything. It just seemed like he wasn't in any danger at all.
LegalEagleMike
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All is as the force wills it.
Lifejumper
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Pretty mindblowing that K2SO was fully CGI.
molnizzle
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Yeah. He even says "send my guard squadron into battle" when he leaves to go see what's up with the breach in the records room. That's when they showed up to the fight and pinned down Donnie by the door.
Lifejumper
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The Deathtroopers did conquer the beach tho. Wasn't Baze the last active fighting rebel?
molnizzle
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Him, and the force!
KoruptData
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Edit. Wrong thread.
HK-47 tho.
the characters of the KOTOR series are better than anything in the main franchise barring some of the OT characters.
But that's the entire point of that scene and how the original concept of the force works!
As others pointed, he trusted in the force and he achieved his goal.
Not to mention that's not even a crazy fear compared to things that have happened in real life! I recall a WWII soldier that had done a similar crossing over an open kill zone alone not once but TWICE.
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I saw it last night. While it was sort of amazing to get new Original Trilogy-era battles, and most things felt pretty authentic, as a story I felt like it was a mess.
They spent so much time introducing the Rogue One team, and yet when it actually got to the mission it felt like the large-scale battle scenes and other characters dwarfed and distracted from what should have been a narrowly-focused story on the Rogue One characters. I never felt any real sense of teamwork or camaraderie, and most of them had little meaningful screen time. Even Imwe's sacrificial walk lacked tension and weight. The film was ultimately unsatisfying and hollow.
The CGI Tarkin was an odd inclusion, and their efforts just aren't good enough to be convincing, but I can understand the need to include him. But I felt that the Princess Leia cameo was a mistake. First, how did anyone approve that CGI version of her? It was awful. And really I just think none of the main trilogy characters should be presented as CG. It is diminishing, distracting, and cheap, and lacked the soul of the real Carrie Fisher.
They spent so much time introducing the Rogue One team, and yet when it actually got to the mission it felt like the large-scale battle scenes and other characters dwarfed and distracted from what should have been a narrowly-focused story on the Rogue One characters. I never felt any real sense of teamwork or camaraderie, and most of them had little meaningful screen time. Even Imwe's sacrificial walk lacked tension and weight. The film was ultimately unsatisfying and hollow.
The CGI Tarkin was an odd inclusion, and their efforts just aren't good enough to be convincing, but I can understand the need to include him. But I felt that the Princess Leia cameo was a mistake. First, how did anyone approve that CGI version of her? It was awful. And really I just think none of the main trilogy characters should be presented as CG. It is diminishing, distracting, and cheap, and lacked the soul of the real Carrie Fisher.
Saw it today, it was ok. Thought the blind guy was going to be able to move the switch with his mind because they were talking about opening the cell doors with the force when they got captured at the beginning, not just walk out there and flip it. Was the other guy also a protector of the temple?
Didn't like the droid, thought he acted like Sheldon from Big Bang Theory.
Them making it to the beach after sending the plans felt unnecessary, should have watched the explosion from the top of the tower (lol at the laser picking off the satellite dish as it came down).
It was weird how no one knew how to make the death star but this one guy...was his job just to make the laser or the whole station? If people can make star destroyers they could probably make that? And no way jyn would still have the necklace after how many years at the labor camp? But oh well.
Kind of glad every new character is gone at the end and I don't have to expect them to show up in later films too.
Didn't like the droid, thought he acted like Sheldon from Big Bang Theory.
Them making it to the beach after sending the plans felt unnecessary, should have watched the explosion from the top of the tower (lol at the laser picking off the satellite dish as it came down).
It was weird how no one knew how to make the death star but this one guy...was his job just to make the laser or the whole station? If people can make star destroyers they could probably make that? And no way jyn would still have the necklace after how many years at the labor camp? But oh well.
Kind of glad every new character is gone at the end and I don't have to expect them to show up in later films too.
My mind made the same connection to Sheldon. Its not just in his lines and voice either, he is also tall and thin and has a similar slump in his back. It's really weird to see K2SO as Sheldon in droid form.
rokkerkory
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Any significance to the callsign of the rebel transport being 'sw-0608'? Something abode to ep6 or ep8?
CloudyTuba
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Peter is looking pretty good for 103 years old
afternoon delight
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Exactly how I felt even with a few logical jumps I was comfortable with.
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starchild excalibur
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Not even a Star Wars fan but I liked this a lot more than I expected to. Liked it a lot more than TFA, too. It just felt more grounded and more like a war film than the others. I think not having a lead that was a Jedi or that had a link to that whole world framed the plot in a simpler, less fantasy-tinged way that I appreciated.
I dunno, but my birthday is June 8th so I enjoyed the call out!
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