They snogged each other's brains out in that elevator. We all know it, people.
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They snogged each other's brains out in that elevator. We all know it, people.
The line could have worked if we had more development with his character. I agree that it seemed weird in the film. I was like.. Wait, why aren't you going to run..?
Because the man only seemed capable of hobbling at 2 miles an hour and didn't even seem capable of breathing for too long without assistance. He would have slowed them down and he knew it.
At least, that's what I'll tell myself on subsequent re-watches.
demosthenes
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Nope didn't happen. Most that happened is that he grabbed her boob feigning falling over.
I don't have to tell myself that, it seems completely reasonable.
I think a Mustafar title card would have given away the fact that Vader was about to show up.
Sectorseven
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Everyone is probably sick of the OT comparisons, but I thought the cantina scene did that pretty effectively, and without confusing me as to where I was.
I quite liked the early part of the film giving a feeling of these disparate things happening across the galaxy that winds up forcing the characters together. Like stuff is happening that's bigger than any of them.
It was kind of like a Bourne movie or something, where you're seeing this guy in this country is doing this, and this guy in that country is doing that, and Joan Allen is in NYC trying to figure it all out, meanwhile Bourne is over here and doesn't even realize that events have been set in motion that he'll have to deal with.
It was kind of like a Bourne movie or something, where you're seeing this guy in this country is doing this, and this guy in that country is doing that, and Joan Allen is in NYC trying to figure it all out, meanwhile Bourne is over here and doesn't even realize that events have been set in motion that he'll have to deal with.
molnizzle
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Right, which is why "I'll never make it" would make the situation a lot more believable. "I will run no longer" just makes it seem like he's given up for some reason—which is fine, if his character had been developed enough for that to make sense. Since he wasn't (and wouldn't be able to without bogging down the first half of the film) a minor dialogue tweak would have done wonders. imo
Tarkin was obvious CGI. Very wooden movement gave him an uncanny valley vibe.
demosthenes
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To you yes, but you're ignoring the point of the post you quoted and I tend to agree with them from the talks I've had. I've talked to people that didn't know either were CGI.
If a person was a non-NeoGAF reader / unaware of Tarkin's actor being dead / didn't remember the original trilogy or had never seen it, the CG was believable.
Uncanny Valley occurred when you KNEW you were looking at a fake.
Bobby Roberts
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This isn't true tho.
The idea that regular viewers weren't able (or are unable) to spot it isn't accurate. Whether it really bothers them varies, of course. But there are a lot of people who have never heard of this place, never heard of Peter Cushing, and weren't big Star Wars fans, who spotted the CGI.
eyeball_kid
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Goes through their own character arc? Besides Jyn, who did we really get to know of the Rogue One team? I can't think of any emotional beats for these characters besides the pathos we were supposed to feel as they died. I never felt invested in any of them (aside from the droid), and I never felt like they were a real team. The script filled the movie with a lot of scenes that had little direct involvement in the heist. It's like Disney didn't feel confident in telling a small story, so they tried to tell a large story by shoving in epic space battles, and cameos so that we'd be sure to know this is a Star Wars film. Anything in the script that did not directly involve the team infiltrating and stealing the plans should have been streamlined.
The sad thing is A New Hope did a better job of base infiltration (and a better job of making each character's part in that infiltration important and meaningful) than a movie focused on that premise.
If they had just shown Leia with her back turned to us, and shown Tarkin in shadow and long shots, it would've been okay. The CG Leia looked like someone had created a model based on a description, having never seen her in ANH before. CG Leia looked bloated, plastic, and stiff, and only vaguely resembled Carrie Fisher. It was awful and disrespectful to the audience.
My feeling is Vader chose that spot because it was like a mainline to get more anger into his veins. Sort of a Dark Side recharging station.
My girlfriend and another girl in our group had never seen the original Star Wars and had no idea who Tarkin was. They noticed immediately.
I've seen the OT and I didn't notice either Tarkin or Leia's uncanny valleyness or give a shit about the CGI until I heard people talking about it here.
While it definitely did feel choppy, I did like the scale presented by all the different vistas.
rokkerkory
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24 hours later and much more reading up about the movie, I really like it a bit more.
Still very much digesting it but it set up a lot of things for Ep4 and tied up things nicely such as the death star's weakness, it was there for a huge purpose.
Still very much digesting it but it set up a lot of things for Ep4 and tied up things nicely such as the death star's weakness, it was there for a huge purpose.
Right and I agree that it didn't look quite as good as it should have but I really think your opinion is in the minority.
Not saying it isn't spottable but the outcry about the cgi being bad seems to be a small minority.
Anton Sugar
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I don't know if I'm just imagining this and it was overall effect that didn't work, but Tarkin felt too animated or "twitchy" in a way? Like they gave too nuance nuance to his head/facial movement that it looked cartoonish. His movements in ANH are few and more deliberate: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QtY3bsHVSTw
When they first showed him, my friend and I thought they got a lookalike--then he had more scenes and dialogue and movement and it became obvious.
There are a few shots where he's still, and not around other actors, where he looks believable.
When they first showed him, my friend and I thought they got a lookalike--then he had more scenes and dialogue and movement and it became obvious.
There are a few shots where he's still, and not around other actors, where he looks believable.
SturokBGD
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I loved almost everything about Rogue One except for the fact that the news about Carrie Fisher broke while I was in the theatre. Going from *that* scene to finding out 2 minutes later she died was a hell of a shock.
Lot of complaints about how the first act is a bit of a slow burn but I liked that... the movie escalates in such a way that left me breathless by the end. Those complaining about character development, be careful what you wish for. We all know what "your father was a hero pilot in the clone wars" turned into...
Lot of complaints about how the first act is a bit of a slow burn but I liked that... the movie escalates in such a way that left me breathless by the end. Those complaining about character development, be careful what you wish for. We all know what "your father was a hero pilot in the clone wars" turned into...
It definitely felt like he was "over-acting" or something, but for me it was the body more than the face, which is strange cause the body was an actual guy performing. So I wonder if he over sold the movement knowing his face was gonna be gone. In any case, it wasn't quite right, but it was good enough that I still liked Tarkin's role in the movie.
DeathoftheEndless
Crashing this plane... with no survivors!
Since Tarkin had a decent number of lines, I would have preferred them to just get a look-alike to emulate Cushing. CGI Leia was fine, since her appearance was so brief.
OT, but the run-in with the guys from the bar in ANH was a very random appearance.
OT, but the run-in with the guys from the bar in ANH was a very random appearance.
Ocarina_117
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Felt episode 7 was a decent, although very safe, movie. Disliked the characters in Episode 7 apart from Han, Chewy and Leia.
LOVED THIS. The first hour was a bit shaky though I loved seeing more of the universe. The last hour was FANTASTIC, much better than the climax of EP 7 - loved seeing all the different types of ships and how they were used differently.
Oddly enough I loved the characters in this movie too. Jynn is a much stronger character than Rey for me despite lacking endearing moments.
LOVED THIS. The first hour was a bit shaky though I loved seeing more of the universe. The last hour was FANTASTIC, much better than the climax of EP 7 - loved seeing all the different types of ships and how they were used differently.
Oddly enough I loved the characters in this movie too. Jynn is a much stronger character than Rey for me despite lacking endearing moments.
I actually missed that somehow. What scene did it happen in?
Jyn and Cassian bump into them running through the streets of Jedha in their search to find Saw, if I remember correctly.
Too contrived a cameo for my blood, and I love my fan-service.
Trigonometrize.
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I believe it is early on in Jedah when Jyn and Cassian are running through the streets.
I'll pay more attention during that scene next time I watch. That is pretty contrived, a lot like some of the prequel cameos.
My favorite cameo was either the Ghost or the pilots from A New Hope.
Morrigan Stark
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The Tarkin/Leia CG were noticeable, but I thought they were pretty good. The uncanny valley effect was only because I knew about the CG. I think, if I hadn't known, I probably wouldn't have noticed.
People are complaining about cameos? lol, that's just silly nitpicking, who cares?
People are complaining about cameos? lol, that's just silly nitpicking, who cares?
He's limping with a cane, and needs a respirator for breathing assistance. He heavily implies that he's dying/terminally ill, and so doesn't even give a fuck. I had no problem with his character behaving the way he did.
Trigonometrize.
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Pretty contrived, by not comparable to prequel cameos to be honest. I can sooner believe those two were running around the streets of Jedha than Yoda and Chewbacca were military allies on the wookiee home world.
Because they often don't make sense and are just applause signs. They're also contributors to a larger problem of new Star Wars movies never being able to detach themselves from 40 year-old movies, alongside other things like classic music in the trailers and in the movie themselves.
Completely missed the pilot cameos. I'm kind of in awe of fans who could recognize such minor characters turning up. Regardless, the use of archive footage must have been absolutely seamless because it never even registered with me.
Also, Darth Vader having built C-3PO.
Jesus Christ, Lucas.
Especially since we finally get to see his Y-Wings do something awesome. Whoever directed that final battle seriously loves Y-Wings.
When you're a huge X-Wing fan, you notice these things.
demosthenes
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Sectorseven
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It stuck out like a sore thumb to me, but I know those movies like the back of my hand. I kind of wish they pulled a Tarkin and CG'd them, or at least dubbed the voices.
Trigonometrize.
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I've probably watched A New Hope 20, 25 times but I really liked the archival footage of the pilots. It really only works though considering this was, like, a week before that battle. The movies are so close I like them seaming stuff together like that.
When you're a huge X-Wing fan, you notice these things.
I'm genuinely awed at your levels of fandom. And here was me thinking I was a colossal Star Wars fan for knowing the specific name for the genre of in-universe music that's playing in the Catina Scene in New Hope.
demosthenes
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I saw one review (filmstage) asking for new planets and new ships. I just couldn't understand it. We got a bunch of new planets. Sure it ended up being Yavin a lot at the end but Scariff is brand new. Maybe it wasn't alien enough for the reviewer? But the ship complaint? The first death start is blown up within like 4 days of the end of this movie. Yes, we're going to get X wings and Y wings, and the tie fighters like we've seen. We even got what looked like pure air tie fighters?
Sectorseven
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I understand the logic in the pilots being the same, it just felt a little, I don't know, lazy? Considering the effort they went to with all the other cameos.
I mean, it's footage that wasn't used in the original films. It's extra, unused footage that Edwards found at Lucasfilm. It's pretty clever and cool that they used it, I thought.
TIE Strikers. They're specialized for in-atmosphere operations, though they can apparently fly in space.
The best new ship for me was the U-Wing. Just a really cool-looking ship.
I don't see how that is lazy. It's excellent fan service.
Maybe that was the TFA review? If anything the U-Wing and TIE Striker designs should have been used in TFA instead of Rogue One.
Uh, wouldn't it have been more lazy to just get a couple of actors to play two more pilots amongst the dozen or so new ones as opposed to painstakingly going through the Lucasfilm vaults and finding alternate footage that would have been appropriate to use for the scene in question?
Trigonometrize.
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TIE Strikers. They're specialized for in-atmosphere operations, though they can apparently fly in space.
The best new ship for me was the U-Wing. Just a really cool-looking ship.
hnnnnnggg Why couldn't TFA had stuff like thiiiiiiisssss
Jack Scofield
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My headcanon came to the conclusion that they were early prototypes of TIE Interceptors, which is why we never see both ships at the same time. I'm sticking with this!
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Adding my anecdotal; two friends I saw it with picked up on the CGI pretty quickly and asked me about it.
rokkerkory
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Resistance couldn't afford it. They had to frankenstein rebel vehicles. =/
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