Just saw it. I guess you can say I have a casual's knowledge of Star Wars but I did not enjoy the movie. I thought it was convoluted and perhaps boring. I also did not care for any of the characters so when their deaths had no effect on me. Might be because I went in with high expectations as all my friends who are big fans of star wars all like it. A 2nd viewing might clear some things I found confusing up (or maybe perhaps rewatching episode IV first) but I don't think I can sit through it again.
Just saw it. I guess you can say I have a casual's knowledge of Star Wars but I did not enjoy the movie. I thought it was convoluted and perhaps boring. I also did not care for any of the characters so when their deaths had no effect on me. Might be because I went in with high expectations as all my friends who are big fans of star wars all like it. A 2nd viewing might clear some things I found confusing up (or maybe perhaps rewatching episode IV first) but I don't think I can sit through it again.
It's last half hour is real good but I still didn't give a shit about any of the characters. Awful characterization is becoming a trend with Gareth Edwards films.
I'd still probably rank it as the best climax in SW history just for the sheer amount of shit going on but TFA had me more emotionally invested in everything.
The characters are so bad, I didn't give a shit what happened to them for straight two hours. How could casting fuck up this bad?
They had two (!) good actors (Whitaker and Mads) who didn't contribute anything to the story and who both could have easily been replaced by holograms or dialogues.
How could they go from Rey and Finn, who both were so great and had amazing background stories, were really interesting, to Jyn and Cassian? Cassian is totally boring and Jyn could have been so much more intriguing but we never really got to see what made her the character she's actually portraying. WTF! "You left me with 16 in hole." WHAT HAPPENED? What motivates her? Why did she eventually choose to help the Alliance? Was she radicalized by Gerrera? Why didn't we get know more about his seperatist movement (which imo was the only interesting aspect of the movie though barely mentioned).
I'm really disappointed after the great The Force Awakens.
The characters are so bad, I didn't give a shit what happened to them for straight two hours. How could casting fuck up this bad?
They had two (!) good actors (Whitaker and Mads) who didn't contribute anything to the story and who both could have easily been replaced by holograms or dialogues.
When they mentioned Saw's group being extremists, I thought there would've been some good conflict to come from that. You got the "good" Rebels and the "bad" ones; surely they would've butted heads more than once in the film.
But they did nothing with them. Absolutely nothing.
When they mentioned Saw's group being extremists, I thought there would've been some good conflict to come from that. You got the "good" Rebels and the "bad" ones; surely they would've butted heads more than once in the film.
But they did nothing with them. Absolutely nothing.
Not only that but the most "extreme" stuff we saw was from the Rebel side with Cassian. First with shooting his informant and then later sacrificing some of Saw's guerrillas to protect Jyn.
Saw this on boxing day. It was pretty good. I don't know if I'll ever watch it again, but it was a decent way to spend 2 hours. The CG faces were goddamn off putting though.
I think TFA handily wipes the floor with it though. It wins by having fully fleshed out characters and motivations. Rogue One is better than all the prequels though. That's where it sits, at #5, above the prequels and below the OT and TFA.
After letting it sink in, I think I like Force Awakens better than Rogue One. What hurts Rogue One is that most of the characters don't really feel as fleshed out as the Episode 7 crew and Kylo Ren was a better villain than Krennic. And Force Awakens feels like a more balanced movie from start to finish, while Rogue One is a really weak first half followed by a really strong second half.
That Vader scene is still absolutely fantastic though. It's the Star Wars equivalent to the Terminator 1 police station.
After letting it sink in, I think I like Force Awakens better than Rogue One. What hurts Rogue One is that most of the characters don't really feel as fleshed out as the Episode 7 crew and Kylo Ren was a better villain than Krennic. And Force Awakens feels like a more balanced movie from start to finish, while Rogue One is a really weak first half followed by a really strong second half.
That Vader scene is still absolutely fantastic though. It's the Star Wars equivalent to the Terminator 1 police station.
The looming presence of the Empire is really what makes a lot of the movie work. Rogue One makes me want a movie where Vader and The Empire are the main characters.
Updated movie rankings
ROTJ = ESB > TFA > ANH > RO > ROTS > TPM > AOTC
ofc if that doesn't satisfy then Disney will be happy to sell you Star Wars III.75 in 10 years to resolve the plotholes produced by R1 which was produced to resolve the plotholes in ANH. you may as well sign over your social security check to them.
There was a Princess Leia comic last year that showed what happened right after the ceremony. Leia holds a vigil for Alderaan and General Dodonna tells her there was no time for that, so everyone goes into overdrive to get the fuck off of Yavin. Other rebel fleets arrive to assist in the evacuation and to scout new potential bases.
I don't know about Vader's ability but you can see one of the blaster bolts hit the door so I guess Vader can redirect them.
There was a Princess Leia comic last year that showed what happened right after the ceremony. Leia holds a vigil for Alderaan and General Dodonna tells her there was no time for that, so everyone goes into overdrive to get the fuck off of Yavin. Other rebel fleets arrive to assist in the evacuation and to scout new potential bases.
I don't know about Vader's ability but you can see one of the blaster bolts hit the door so I guess Vader can redirect them.
Huh, I didn't think about that. It makes sense too when all the scenes this happened in were ones where she was exchanging dialogue with Prowse or Cushing.
Broken record, but man, I wish I understood why people consider the characters in TFA great and fleshed out. Is it just the charisma of the actors? Because to me Finn, Rey, and Kylo are all shallow as the grave.
Broken record, but man, I wish I understood why people consider the characters in TFA great and fleshed out. Is it just the charisma of the actors? Because to me Finn, Rey, and Kylo are all shallow as the grave.
Broken record, but man, I wish I understood why people consider the characters in TFA great and fleshed out. Is it just the charisma of the actors? Because to me Finn, Rey, and Kylo are all shallow as the grave.
They are well rounded characters that complete an arc in the film (please note this is not a statement about Rogue One). Wish I understood why people need to point to TFA when criticizing or praising the characters in Rogue One, as if that's the only way to talk about them.
I was absolutely appalled by how awful the Tarkin CGI was. Like, he looks pretty bad when still already but in motion? Was that some rush job? Production struggles? Unbelievable.
Leia should've never faced the camera either, yikes.
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Movie as a whole was bad and I can't say the space battle choreography was as good as promised. I likely still prefer Return of the Jedi in that regard. But then maybe my judgement is slightly clouded by the fact that I didn't give a shit about anyone here whereas the stakes in RotJ were high.
I just hope we get one really well directed Star Wars film in the upcoming years, if nothing else to have something to point to and say "Look, this is a competent modern star wars movie. Now we can move on from pretending TFA, Rogue One and potentially other failures are anything more than mediocre at best."
I just hope we get one really well directed Star Wars film in the upcoming years, if nothing else to have something to point to and say "Look, this is a competent modern star wars movie. Now we can move on from pretending TFA, Rogue One and potentially other failures are anything more than mediocre at best."
Not this shit again. This narrative that people are only making excuses for these films is really tiring. Disliking the films is fine, but saying everyone who does is 'lying' to themselves just makes you sound condescending.
Not this shit again. This narrative that people are only making excuses for these films is really tiring. Disliking the films is fine, but saying everyone who does is 'lying' to themselves just makes you sound condescending.
They're short cameos, I can't imagine anyone genuinely caring about this. I didn't even notice the Cantina guys myself until my brother pointed them out. And the droids are in every single SW movie, it's like a tradition.
Complaining about this stuff sounds honestly really fucking ridiculous, like a caricature of a nerd in a sitcom or The Simpsons.
I feel like Vader wrecking shit at the end was the best part. I know a lot of people said it's perfect since it wasn't overly done but I could probably watch 30 minutes of Vader just tearing through the entire ship without any edits.
More silly hyperbole. Most video games characters and dialogue are magnitudes worse, WTF? If anything R1 actually had pretty decent dialogue for the most part. K2SO's lines were gold.
Okay something really has bugged me for a long fucking time.
What was the purpose of that valve in the archive that rapidly and sharply opened and closed? Why make it human sized and if humans were supposed to be able to climb through why is it operating at an interval? Did they invent this kind of technology just for the archive, at least I don't remember any other valve of this kind in the OT or TFA? Why only one?
The PT had some aspects that felt very video gamey like that and they were horrible.
Haha, this is true. 3 moments where I immediately thought of video games:
- The overhead camera pan of that "battlefield" in front of the entrance with the perfect convenient chest-high crates. My boyfriend and I, having just recently played Gears of War 4, just exchanged smiles at that. It looked straight out of a Gears of War map, lol.
- When Jyn and Cassian try to get the file and have to climb and jump. The way they jumped from one wall to another immediately made me think of Uncharted.
- That valve you mentioned. I guess you could say it was malfunctioning, but it did scream of "look, a video game OHKO trap". xD
Broken record, but man, I wish I understood why people consider the characters in TFA great and fleshed out. Is it just the charisma of the actors? Because to me Finn, Rey, and Kylo are all shallow as the grave.
Agreed 100%. Especially Finn. Like, he's okay, I don't have a problem with him. But he's not fleshed out or significantly developed or whatever. Both Cassian and Jyn are more interesting, tbh.
Kylo fucking sucks and unless he changes dramatically in Ep. VIII I will maintain that he's a bad character and a worse villain
I just saw this. I liked it a lot more than I thought I would. The big land and space battles felt like Star Wars in a way that the prequels and 7 never did. Basically every scene with X-Wings fighting was incredible. The story and characters were simple and inoffensive. The comic relief robot was better than anything they've done since original C3PO and R2D2.
The cameos mostly worked for me, but the major returning characters were weaker, and sometimes the movie would lean too heavily on trying to impress the audience with original trilogy stuff. The CG on Tarkin was pretty noticeable. I know it was JEJ doing the voice but Vader sounded off. Vader was also characterized differently - his "choke" pun was awful, though I guess maybe they felt like it was similar to his original lines about the Emperor not being as forgiving? - and him assaulting a rebel capital ship by himself was really weird since like two hours later in A New Hope he comes lumbering in behind the boarding party. The final big zoom on CG Leia was also pretty bad, though not hour-long helicopter Luke shot bad. Everyone knows who Princess Leia is and the movie doesn't need to go out of its way to say "hey this is significant".
Why didn't the Chinese guy disappear? So fine he's not a Jedi but he's got to be basically the same thing, right?
Obi-Wan was the first person to ever disappear after death, it was a skill taught to him by Gui-Gon from the grave; and he later taught Yoda. There was a great Clone Wars episode dedicated to it, with Liam Nesson guest starring.
How Anakin figured out how to do it is a plot hole, however; unless Gui-Gon told him too.
