Obi-Wan and Yoda probably used their ghost powers to summon Ghost Anakin so he could give his son one last ghostly farewell before being sent off to Jedi Hell to roast alive for an eternity for slaughtering hundreds of innocent little children and helping to establish a universal dictatorship that ruined the lives of trillions.
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Obi-Wan and Yoda probably used their ghost powers to summon Ghost Anakin so he could give his son one last ghostly farewell before being sent off to Jedi Hell to roast alive for an eternity for slaughtering hundreds of innocent little children and helping to establish a universal dictatorship that ruined the lives of trillions.
Trigonometrize.
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I had a dream about Chirrut dying the other day. I think I like him a lot more than I should given what little the movie spends on the individuals. The idea of those faithful to the force but not jedi is perfect for the universe.
But this doesn't seem like Simpsons nerd?
To me the droids don't need to be made into a Stan Lee type cameo in every single Star Wars movie.
It wasn't explained until The Clone Wars cartoon anyway, so if you'd never seen that you wouldn't know. Qui Gon discovered how to retain his identity after death due to his different understanding of the Force, but his training was incomplete before he died so he could not master it fully. He taught Yoda after his death, and Yoda taught Obi Wan, so they perfected it and learned how to become visible spirits. How Anakin did it is unknown but it's probably related to him being the Chosen One.
Trigonometrize.
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Which is close enough to dissappearing I guess is the logic?Anakin didn't disappear though. Luke burned his body.
Morrigan Stark
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Enjoying a cool combat scene in a movie is the same thing as nitpicking irrelevant stuff that in no way impacts the film's quality? K, if you say so. ¯\_(ツ
_/¯The prequels are most definitely not being ignored. They are described as unmovable objects of the canon that all future media must always adhere to equally as the Original Trilogy.
The same actors from the prequels reprised their roles in Rogue One who played Mon Mothma and Bail Organa. And the currently on-going tv series Star Wars Rebels that is on Disney XD references the prequel era non-stop. See the season 3 preview of it:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xmXp802sFgQ
Oh and the Episode 8 director just the other week on Twitter argued in defense of the prequels quality.
How do we know it didn't disappear inside the armour? Luke could have just burned his Vader suit!
KeyBladerXIII
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Ehhhhh, technically that was Vader who killed all those people. Anakin was the one who saved Luke and died on the Death Star.
Yeah, I don't really buy that, but there was that Episode 7 concept art where Anakin's force ghost would've shown up and flicker between his good self and the mechanical Vader.
The anti-prequel brigade would have flipped if both Ewan McGreggor and Hayden Christensen were in TFA. Only ended up with Ewan.Ehhhhh, technically that was Vader who killed all those people. Anakin was the one who saved Luke and died on the Death Star.
Yeah, I don't really buy that, but there was that Episode 7 concept art where Anakin's force ghost would've shown up and flicker between his good self and the mechanical Vader.
Enjoying a cool combat scene in a movie is the same thing as nitpicking irrelevant stuff that in no way impacts the film's quality? K, if you say so. ¯\_(ツ
I'm just saying look in a mirror before relating me to a sitcom nerd, that was only my first post "nitpicking" the R2D2/C3PO cameo in this thread. I only ever brought it up because you said Rogue One didn't bad fanservice and I consider some out of place cameos to fit that bill. I loved the Vader scene too btw.
BewareTheBatsie
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I liked it and thought the cast of characters were okay for the most part but Cassian never grew that likable for me. The part where they tried to redeem him as a good guy because he lost people too just seemed awkwardly shoved in.
Also even though I should have known I was still surprised when all of them got killed off.
Also even though I should have known I was still surprised when all of them got killed off.
BewareTheBatsie
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Double post.
Lifejumper
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Final scene in sixteen bit: https://youtu.be/biYMDphGTcg
RoadHazard
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Just got home from watching this (I'm a major Star Wars fan, but for some reason I didn't feel any hurry to see this one). My quick summary is that it really felt like the side story it is. A movie set in the Star Wars universe, but not a "real" Star Wars movie. Some more detailed impressions:
Now, it may sound a bit like I didn't like this movie at all, but I did. It was an enjoyable action movie set in the Star Wars universe, serving as decent backstory for IV, but featuring completely bland and forgettable characters that I don't care one bit I'll never see again. Easily the worst of the good Star Wars movies. Better than 1-3, of course, but nowhere close to 4-7. I find it baffling that some people actually think this movie is better than TFA.
- The characters were pretty terrible across the board. They were never made to feel like real people, there was basically no character development, and they didn't make me care one bit about them (which I guess is fine since they all end up dead anyway, but yeah). Jyn? Who cares. The rest? Barely remember them an hour after the movie ended. The robot was the best character in the main crew.
- The first half of the movie was really dull, mainly due to mostly focusing on those forgettable, unimportant characters (yeah, what they ended up doing is important to the overall Star Wars story, but they themselves are nothing).
- The second half of the movie was more fun. Some cool Star Wars space action going on there.
- Some people have been calling this a "dark and gritty" or "adult" Star Wars movie. I didn't really see that. It felt downright silly at times. There is the "all the main characters die" thing, I guess, but eh.
- The dialogue was generally really bad. I didn't hate it, but man, some of those lines. How out of place was the "little sister" one? There had been ZERO relationship development between those characters at that point.
- Some of the references to the old movies were fun, some were a bit much. Too many quotes taken directly from them, to the point where it almost felt like a parody at times. A lot of it felt a bit forced.
- Tarkin was incredibly obviously CG to me the instant I saw him, and I didn't know he was gonna be in the movie. Granted, I've seen IV many, many times, but I still can hardly fathom how anyone couldn't tell that wasn't a real human being. Was it good CG? For sure. But to me he still looked out of place among the actual human beings surrounding him. Leia was impressive (and I enjoyed that she was there), but again obviously CG. But she was in the movie for like 5 seconds, so whatever.
- Vader didn't sound quite right to me. I actually thought it was a JEJ sound-alike rather than the man himself at first.
- ...but Vader wrecking shit at the end was easily the best scene in the movie. Most badass he's ever been.
- The way the ending lead right into the beginning of ANH was cool.
- I somehow completely missed R2 and 3PO. I did see the cantina guys, which was fun but felt forced. Like, why would they be there?
Now, it may sound a bit like I didn't like this movie at all, but I did. It was an enjoyable action movie set in the Star Wars universe, serving as decent backstory for IV, but featuring completely bland and forgettable characters that I don't care one bit I'll never see again. Easily the worst of the good Star Wars movies. Better than 1-3, of course, but nowhere close to 4-7. I find it baffling that some people actually think this movie is better than TFA.
jstevenson
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how can you miss R2 and 3PO? Did you go to the bathroom or something!?
Ehhhhh, technically that was Vader who killed all those people. Anakin was the one who saved Luke and died on the Death Star.
Yeah, I don't really buy that, but there was that Episode 7 concept art where Anakin's force ghost would've shown up and flicker between his good self and the mechanical Vader.
Considering how crazy the (old) EU and The Old Republic got about this type of thing (mainly with Revan), it somewhat makes Anakin's karma houdini antics look sensible in retrospect.
And too bad about that concept not getting used. I hope they don't completely abandon the idea.
KeyBladerXIII
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Something tells me some version of it will show up. Rumors for Episode 8 point to
Luke guiding Rey through some Jedi stuff, with the ghosts of Obi-wan and Yoda showing up. Maybe shitty Kylo gets a visit from Grandpa.
Theslammer
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I saw this brought up elsewhere and it adds a very cool wrinkle to A New Hope:
"The thing is, if Tarkin hadn't blown Krennic up, the empire would have known about the flaw in the Death Star way before the rebels had a chance to act on it (because Jyn told him exactly what her father had done), so yeah, it makes Tarkin's death even more ironic."
"The thing is, if Tarkin hadn't blown Krennic up, the empire would have known about the flaw in the Death Star way before the rebels had a chance to act on it (because Jyn told him exactly what her father had done), so yeah, it makes Tarkin's death even more ironic."
SodiumBenzoate
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..So why couldn't they have named Diego Luna's character Kyle Katarn again?
What a missed homage to the old EU. And my childhood.
What a missed homage to the old EU. And my childhood.
I felt the same way, but now that we know how they used the character I'm glad they didn't.
Because he's not a Jedi?
brandonh83
Banned
It's weird as hell, and saying this is telling a lot of people, some well enough informed and educated in filmmaking, that they're wrong which is just simply delusional. I'd sorta like to ask these folks what qualifies as "good directing" but I'm sure I'd get mostly glasses pushing elitist responses so it's not even worth being bothered over.
With Force Awakens it's the simple matter of JJ being the director and some people just can't handle the idea of the guy directing good films. Again, weird. I was at a theater with "friends of friends" and was talking about Lost, and one guy literally said "so you're one of THOSE people who loves everything JJ Abrams does." Didn't even know the guy. I didn't know what to think of that comment, at least nothing short of some form of mental illness.
Protip: I'm not saying everyone who dislikes TFA hates Abrams
GillianSeed79
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I liked it. Saw it over Christmas. My GF says its her favorite Star Wars movie. Anyway, dumb question, BUT since when do light attack aircraft, i.e., X-Wings/the ship they were on when they went to the Death Star development planet have light speed/hyper space capabilities? I didn't think fighters in the Star Wars canon could use light speed, i.e. in A New Hope when they realize the Death star isn't a moon because the tie fighters were too far out on their own for there not to be a station. nearby. It seems like every ship in star wars now can enter light speed. The old EU even made a big deal over how Darth survived in deep space for a long time in his tie fighter after the first death star got blown up.
Bobby Roberts
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TIE fighters don't have lightspeed (Vader's did)
X-Wings/Y-Wings/A-Wings have always had it.
Prof. Bathtub
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Since ESB showed Luke going off to Dagobah in his X-Wing. Most TIEs don't have them, and that remains the case.
Anakin didn't disappear though. Luke burned his body.
Wasn't that just the armor?
Bobby Roberts
Banned
Nah, if you listen real close in the surrounds, you can hear human flesh sizzling & spitting. It's real faint, but it's there.
I think it was in the 70mm six-track, originally, they pulled it out for the VHS, and then re-inserted it for the 2004 DVDs.
I think it was in the 70mm six-track, originally, they pulled it out for the VHS, and then re-inserted it for the 2004 DVDs.
crazy monkey
Banned
They should have done better sound design for first death star ray fire. Scene is fantastic but sound is a let down.
Bobby Roberts
Banned
I'm fucking with you
BronsonLee
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Goddamnit, Bobby.
Bobby Roberts
Banned
That treehouse barbecue on Endor is serving dead Stormtrooper, though. 100%.
Dead Stormtrooper and whatever that roadkill Chewie was trying to grub on that got em all caught up in the first place.
Dead Stormtrooper and whatever that roadkill Chewie was trying to grub on that got em all caught up in the first place.
afternoon delight
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First time in decades I'm going to buy a fugging Star Wars movie, it's still sinking in. This art book can't get here soon enough! I've already corralled people for a second viewing next week.
On a side note I've been listening to Across the Stars and Battle of Heroes and man, the prequels got some incredible music.
On a side note I've been listening to Across the Stars and Battle of Heroes and man, the prequels got some incredible music.
CloudyTuba
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Ehhhhh, technically that was Vader who killed all those people. Anakin was the one who saved Luke and died on the Death Star.
Yeah, I don't really buy that, but there was that Episode 7 concept art where Anakin's force ghost would've shown up and flicker between his good self and the mechanical Vader.
I dont care what people want to tell me about canon, the concept of the visage of Vader's armor becoming the form of some other worldly ghoul is just too cool not to use. The idea that Anakin, even as a redeemed soul, still has to acknowledge and coexist with that part of his life excites me quite a bit.
I hope it gets used someday. I keep imagining the scene in my head with a benign-looking Anakin giving some sort of guidance and as he starts to warn against the dangers of the dark side and get into darker subject matter, the mention of it starts to warp his appearance. A reflection of that time in his life, something that he is not anymore but will always be a part of him. I want it bad.
Spartancarver
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That B-Wing having a superlaser is silly. But I suppose it's not even the silliest thing to come out of that show. But I guess that's canon now -_-
B-Wings in general are cool as fuck though. Always loved flying them in the old X-Wing vs TIE Fighter PC sims. And I think the Gamecube Factor 5 Rogue Squadron games had B-Wings flyable? Idk. Cool ship. Way better bomber than the Y-Wing.
Edit: And that Anakin / Vader ghost concept art is creepy, I love it. Hope something like that winds up in Ep 8.
B-Wings in general are cool as fuck though. Always loved flying them in the old X-Wing vs TIE Fighter PC sims. And I think the Gamecube Factor 5 Rogue Squadron games had B-Wings flyable? Idk. Cool ship. Way better bomber than the Y-Wing.
Edit: And that Anakin / Vader ghost concept art is creepy, I love it. Hope something like that winds up in Ep 8.
Comfort Jones
Banned
I'm not sure what part of this film made it "better than The Force Awakens" for people. The boring characters? Fucking CGI Tarkin?
Oh let me guess it was the drawn out shoot outs and war scenes and nothing to do with the characters.
I feel like some of the reception to this film really makes me believe a huge portion of star wars fans don't love the original movies for its cinematography, it's characters, or its main themes/emotional core. They care about light sabers, explosions, and all the other shit you cram into the video games and sell with action figures.
The film is dour as hell and lives in ANH's shadow even harder than a movie copying its story. The Force Awakens sets up new characters with a universe I wanna see continue on. Rogue One kills off a cast of people whose names I couldn't remember and leads into a family friendly adventure film i watched as a child.
Oh let me guess it was the drawn out shoot outs and war scenes and nothing to do with the characters.
I feel like some of the reception to this film really makes me believe a huge portion of star wars fans don't love the original movies for its cinematography, it's characters, or its main themes/emotional core. They care about light sabers, explosions, and all the other shit you cram into the video games and sell with action figures.
The film is dour as hell and lives in ANH's shadow even harder than a movie copying its story. The Force Awakens sets up new characters with a universe I wanna see continue on. Rogue One kills off a cast of people whose names I couldn't remember and leads into a family friendly adventure film i watched as a child.
Bolivar687
Banned
It might have the best action scenes I've ever seen but everything else was notably poor. The pacing of the beginning is inexcusaly bad, it's hard to imagine how the editors let its sequencing come out in theaters. The writing wasn't memorable and the acting really took the film down. It's like how the prequels were bad acting in the time of Epics, this is bad acting in the age of Marvel camp.
The fact that none of the characters have an American accent completely undermines Disney's credibility. Star Wars is arguably the most iconic work in Americana and George Lucas intentionally created it to serve as an authentically American mythology. The Empire's British accents deliberately contrasted with the Rebellion to retell the American Revolution against the frame of science fiction, a genuinely American genre. I love the diversity of the cast, that would otherwise reinforce the story's ethos but it confirms that Disney fundamentally does not understand what these stories are about, after The Force Awakens already suggested that this might be the case.
I do like the film overall. The aesthetics and plot complement A New Hope in a beautiful way, even filling some of the plot holes it had. The two Darth Vader scenes alone were worth the price of admission. Despite my qualms with the acting, Felicity Jones was fantastic and stands in strong contrast to problems some of us have with Daisy Ridley's Rey in The Force Awakens. I was hoping to see this film half a dozen times in theaters but now I only see myself revisiting the highlights on Youtube.
The fact that none of the characters have an American accent completely undermines Disney's credibility. Star Wars is arguably the most iconic work in Americana and George Lucas intentionally created it to serve as an authentically American mythology. The Empire's British accents deliberately contrasted with the Rebellion to retell the American Revolution against the frame of science fiction, a genuinely American genre. I love the diversity of the cast, that would otherwise reinforce the story's ethos but it confirms that Disney fundamentally does not understand what these stories are about, after The Force Awakens already suggested that this might be the case.
I do like the film overall. The aesthetics and plot complement A New Hope in a beautiful way, even filling some of the plot holes it had. The two Darth Vader scenes alone were worth the price of admission. Despite my qualms with the acting, Felicity Jones was fantastic and stands in strong contrast to problems some of us have with Daisy Ridley's Rey in The Force Awakens. I was hoping to see this film half a dozen times in theaters but now I only see myself revisiting the highlights on Youtube.
Maybe people have different opinions than you on those things? I don't think this is better than TFA, but it doesn't seem like too much of a stretch.
Like you mentioned cinematography but to me this is the best looking Star Wars film.
I can safely say I don't think Star Wars is about any of this, and I'm glad Disney doesn't give a shit and has a diverse cast instead.
Bobby Roberts
Banned
Okay, this part is kinda boilerplate pre-fab blockbuster criticism you see quite a bit in the first few weeks of a film's release, but then:
This... this is a new beast indeed. And a surprising one too. Look how quickly it learns to backflip!
Whaaaaa
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...huh.
triplestation
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Just saw this in Imax 3D. This was my first Imax movie and I thought it was stunning. Didn't benefit much from the 3D.
The highest point of this movie to me were the visuals, my god, shot after shot of gorgeousness!
The story was simple (a good thing) and it provided a much needed weight to the Star Wars universe. The people who say that this story improves the rest of the movies are totally right. A lot is explained. Its good to know now that the active ingredient in a light saber are some chaos emerald ass shit that you get from the heart of a special kind of star. The Death Star was always a major component of the original saga so it was a great decision to flesh out its development. The movie is kicked off by the idea that a lead scientist good guy created a devastating weapon for his superiors but did so without letting his superiors know how a single part of it can fuck up the whole thing. It's like a Star Wars take on JR Oppenheimer's story with how he developed nukes.
Two scenes in particular stood out. The scene where imonewiththeforceandtheforceisonewithme BTFOs those storm troopers. Bad ass!! The other was where Darth Vader BTFOs those rebel fighters in that dark hallway to retrieve that HDD and his combat style is like how it is in the original trilogy. So so so menacing!
The whole audience clapped at CGI Leia. <3333
Gareth Edwards is redeemed!
The highest point of this movie to me were the visuals, my god, shot after shot of gorgeousness!
The story was simple (a good thing) and it provided a much needed weight to the Star Wars universe. The people who say that this story improves the rest of the movies are totally right. A lot is explained. Its good to know now that the active ingredient in a light saber are some chaos emerald ass shit that you get from the heart of a special kind of star. The Death Star was always a major component of the original saga so it was a great decision to flesh out its development. The movie is kicked off by the idea that a lead scientist good guy created a devastating weapon for his superiors but did so without letting his superiors know how a single part of it can fuck up the whole thing. It's like a Star Wars take on JR Oppenheimer's story with how he developed nukes.
Two scenes in particular stood out. The scene where imonewiththeforceandtheforceisonewithme BTFOs those storm troopers. Bad ass!! The other was where Darth Vader BTFOs those rebel fighters in that dark hallway to retrieve that HDD and his combat style is like how it is in the original trilogy. So so so menacing!
The whole audience clapped at CGI Leia. <3333
Gareth Edwards is redeemed!
Bolivar687
Banned
George Lucas has reiterated time and again that Star Wars was inspired by Joseph Campbell's works on comparative mythology, much of which raised the problem that modern American society does not have its own original mythology. Campbell filmed his documentary "The Power of Myth" at Skywalker Ranch and references Star Wars throughout the film, as well as its companion book, which you can read about here.
Diversity and Americana are not mutually exclusive because America is a diverse nation and Star Wars indeed borrows from many cultures. However, the fact that none of the characters have American accents is a fairly explicit contrast to the source material it otherwise hardline emulates, where the rebels act and speak as Americans their age did at the time the movies were filmed.
That's unfair. The aesthetics, action, and cinematography are great but the performances were largely unmemorable - many in this thread agree Kennec was a throwaway villain and many of the protagonists served very little purpose for the plot. I don't think anyone will pretend the sequencing at the opening was good in any way.
I say I liked it overall because I can enjoy the film for the fanservice that it is. I'm sure you can appreciate this nuance and that's why you had to quote the same sentences multiple times to overemphasize any perceived contradiction.
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