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[self_aware_keyboard]

The ability to transmit information back in time and remember the future is not based on the way we think. The movie proposes that it is, but this does not hold up to any scrutiny. The closets analogue is not linguistic change, but cultural change, whereby societies that do not have accurate measures of time tend to divide up time differently and consider "appointments" more loosely ("Island Time", it's called). But that's still worlds away from this.

I'm not saying it holds water, Im just saying what I think the movies explanation was, also there is a previous post where there is a "scientific" explanation from the short story which it is based off.

Also, can someone answer my original question above, what was the full form of the aliens?

 

[mantidor]

There are no clear "features" like a face or eyes but they are shown in full and are actually really tall and almost menacing, very Lovecraftian to be honest, even though they are absolutely peaceful.

I also think we are simplifying their "gift", and that is totally the fault of the movie because it leads us to believe it's just that, that learning the language gives you clairvoyance, but from what I got its more than just the language, the language helped but it's implied only Louise started seeing time in a non linear way even though a bunch of people learned it as well, also there is something about having twelve ships that was not explained at the end, it wasn't just the language, their gift/weapon had something else.

 

[shira]

There are no clear "features" like a face or eyes but they are shown in full and are actually really tall and almost menacing, very Lovecraftian to be honest, even though they are absolutely peaceful.

I also think we are simplifying their "gift", and that is totally the fault of the movie because it leads us to believe it's just that, that learning the language gives you clairvoyance, but from what I got its more than just the language, the language helped but it's implied only Louise started seeing time in a non linear way even though a bunch of people learned it as well, also there is something about having twelve ships that was not explained at the end, it wasn't just the language, their gift/weapon had something else.

In the book there were hundreds of them.

I was also kind of thinking they were hands for a really long time.

 

[Teggy]

There are no clear "features" like a face or eyes but they are shown in full and are actually really tall and almost menacing, very Lovecraftian to be honest, even though they are absolutely peaceful.

In the story they have seven eyes equidistant around their head matching the legs. Not sure if they were in the movie although they might have been hard to see. Imagine being able to see in every direction at once? I don't even know how that would work.

 

[JB1981]

This movie packed a pretty serious emotional wallop for. Maybe I'm just emotional these days but I couldn't stop listening to the song that played over the opening and closing. What a beautiful yet tragic commentary on fatalism

 

[EBreda]

Didn't anyone else think that when Amy Adams got the gift of seeing the future and experiencing time in a non linear fashion she changes what she was doing regarding to Render and the daughter?

During the flashforwards, we see her alone with the baby since Hannah was born. And even though the movie clearly sets a date for her father leaving (I told him something he wasn't ready to hear), I feel like Louise, now knowing what took Ian to abandon them, has the appropriate knowledge to do things differently.

And seeing father and daughter for the first time together at the end gave me the impression Louise omitted the inevitable death of their daughter to Ian, and that's why we finally see them happy.

Afterall, movie literally asks you "if you knew what was going to happen, would you still do it?". Maybe the answer is "I'd do such and such differently".

That's my take anyway.

 

[shira]

Didn't anyone else think that when Amy Adams got the gift of seeing the future and experiencing time in a non linear fashion she changes what she was doing regarding to Render and the daughter?

During the flashforwards, we see her alone with the baby since Hannah was born. And even though the movie clearly sets a date for her father leaving (I told him something he wasn't ready to hear), I feel like Louise, now knowing what took Ian to abandon them, has the appropriate knowledge to do things differently.

And seeing father and daughter for the first time together at the end gave me the impression Louise omitted the inevitable death of their daughter to Ian, and that's why we finally see them happy.

Afterall, movie literally asks you "if you knew what was going to happen, would you still do it?". Maybe the answer is "I'd do such and such differently".

That's my take anyway.

I thought this as well since her Hannah experiences change and are quite different from the book
I hope DV does a DVD commentary

 

[GeekyDad]

Didn't anyone else think that when Amy Adams got the gift of seeing the future and experiencing time in a non linear fashion she changes what she was doing regarding to Render and the daughter?

During the flashforwards, we see her alone with the baby since Hannah was born. And even though the movie clearly sets a date for her father leaving (I told him something he wasn't ready to hear), I feel like Louise, now knowing what took Ian to abandon them, has the appropriate knowledge to do things differently.

And seeing father and daughter for the first time together at the end gave me the impression Louise omitted the inevitable death of their daughter to Ian, and that's why we finally see them happy.

Afterall, movie literally asks you "if you knew what was going to happen, would you still do it?". Maybe the answer is "I'd do such and such differently".

That's my take anyway.

I think the movie hints at it and then explicitly spells it out for you at the end when the Chinese general (or whatever he was) is whispering into her ear. She basically knows what to do and say in the "present" because he's whispering what she said in the future. Essentially, she's remembering the future. I wouldn't say she's changing anything, though. If you read the short story, everything is already set. She's simply playing out what needs to be done in order for the result to occur. However, you could still look at it as changing or making the future she wants. That part, well...

 

[Matt]

Didn't anyone else think that when Amy Adams got the gift of seeing the future and experiencing time in a non linear fashion she changes what she was doing regarding to Render and the daughter?

During the flashforwards, we see her alone with the baby since Hannah was born. And even though the movie clearly sets a date for her father leaving (I told him something he wasn't ready to hear), I feel like Louise, now knowing what took Ian to abandon them, has the appropriate knowledge to do things differently.

And seeing father and daughter for the first time together at the end gave me the impression Louise omitted the inevitable death of their daughter to Ian, and that's why we finally see them happy.

Afterall, movie literally asks you "if you knew what was going to happen, would you still do it?". Maybe the answer is "I'd do such and such differently".

That's my take anyway.

Nah. Your interpretation is like the opposite of the one intended by the film. It's about making hard choices even knowing the pain that will come with them, not about using tricks to avoid that pain.

 

[Paganmoon]

How the fuck is this movie at 93% on rotten tomatoes? Geezes, I was so close to leaving the cinema after 30 minutes. Thinking persons Sci-fi my fucking foot.

Edit: some caveats, if for those who understand the language, time is non-linear, why is it not non-linear "backwards"? as in, why didn't Louise change the past instead of going to the future, to change the present? Wouldn't this also suggest that the aliens already know earth languages, since they also experience time non-linearly?
Why the hell do they send in a linguist the first thing they do, you send in a mathematician first, to set the groundwork for logic, (true/false statements). If you have no common ground, you can just go in and start speaking.
Why are governments and government personal always fucking idiots. "they want us to compete for something, they want us to bla bla bla" not ever question why the aliens would want any of those idiotic things.

Seriously, thinking persons nothing....

 

[Gozer the Gozerian]

I thought the change to the daughter dying from a uncurable illness was interesting, compared to her death in a rock climbing accident in the short story. I think the idea of her dying in the accident is more interesting scenario because it seems like something "preventable", the change to an incurable disease makes it seem like a softer blow almost?

But I guess exploring the ideas from the book about her state of free will and determinism and "why couldn't she just stop her daughter from rock climbing!" were a bit too complicated for them to put on film.

 

[SuperEpicMan]

How the fuck is this movie at 93% on rotten tomatoes? Geezes, I was so close to leaving the cinema after 30 minutes. Thinking persons Sci-fi my fucking foot.

Edit: some caveats, if for those who understand the language, time is non-linear, why is it not non-linear "backwards"? as in, why didn't Louise change the past instead of going to the future, to change the present? Wouldn't this also suggest that the aliens already know earth languages, since they also experience time non-linearly?
Why the hell do they send in a linguist the first thing they do, you send in a mathematician first, to set the groundwork for logic, (true/false statements). If you have no common ground, you can just go in and start speaking.
Why are governments and government personal always fucking idiots. "they want us to compete for something, they want us to bla bla bla" not ever question why the aliens would want any of those idiotic things.

Seriously, thinking persons nothing....

Louise didn't time travel, or change anything, the events of the movie (present and future) were always set. She was simply able perceive the future as well as the present moment.

 

[SuperEpicMan]

I was pretty floored by the movie myself. I expected it to be a great and interesting movie, but it actually exceeded my expectations (which is pretty rare in the days of Rotten Tomotoes). The second On the Nature of Daylight started it got me thinking this movie is going to be something special.

Sci-fi elements aside, it was a really well constructed film, and I loved that it was palindromic. It will be really interesting to see how the scenes are analysed once it comes out on blu-ray.

 

[Paganmoon]

Louise didn't time travel, or change anything, the events of the movie (present and future) were always set. She was simply able perceive the future as well as the present moment.

She perceived time as non-linear, there should then be no present, or past, or future.

Edit: I realize my prior post came of overly antagonistic, and I apologize for that.

 

[Alastor3]

What I don't understand is, why sometimes in the future she knews about the past and sometimes not???

For exemple: She go out with Ian, have a baby with him, probably still know that the child will die but got it anyway, and than she told Ian a few years later and that's why he leave her.

But now, if she remember that in the future, why doesn't she remember that she talked to the Chinese General when he said her wife's dying wish?

I mean, I get it. In the past, when she see the vision of the future of her talking to the general and she goes to the telephone and call him. But why can't she remember that in the future, why does she look surprise when talking to the General, she still remembered that her baby was going to die, right?

Did I miss something?

But does anyone get the gift besides her ? I'm guessing no since if everyone can see the future, the world would fucking burn

How does she get Chang to calm down the first time? There's no way for her to meet Chang at the party unless he gives her his wife's dying words. That's a whole egg vs chicken paradox right there

Otherwise excellent fucking movie. Didn't see the twist at all

The gift is not to see the future, the gift is their language.

 

[shira]

What I don't understand is, why sometimes in the future she knews about the past and sometimes not???

For exemple: She go out with Ian, have a baby with him, probably still know that the child will die but got it anyway, and than she told Ian a few years later and that's why he leave her.

That's the power of watching it the 2nd time.
You get to see Amy Adam's reaction knowing the future.

 

[Alastor3]

That's the power of watching it the 2nd time.
You get to see Amy Adam's reaction knowing the future.

Still doesn't explain the chinese part where she doesn't remember.

wait wait wait wait Another thing... Does the daughter have anything to do with the aliens? Why does she draw her parents with the bird or the alien with the modeling clay? Or maybe she had a gift too?

Does Louise always had that power with her? the gift is the language and the weapon is the futurevision thing right? So if I understand something... people that will learn the language will maybe start to see the future.. right?
I thought Louise was The One since the aliens was more kind to her or something.

 

[mrkgoo]

Still doesn't explain the chinese part where she doesn't remember.

wait wait wait wait Another thing... Does the daughter have anything to do with the aliens? Why does she draw her parents with the bird or the alien with the modeling clay? Or maybe she had a gift too?

Does Louise always had that power with her? the gift is the language and the weapon is the futurevision thing right? So if I understand something... people that will learn the language will maybe start to see the future.. right?
I thought Louise was The One since the aliens was more kind to her or something.

The language is the gift. It's a language that we can't comprehend but if you do you think differently. So differently, in fact, that you will have memories not just of the past but of the future as well.

But they're only memories so not necessarily an explicit series of events of everything. Just visions and so on that you may or may not recall. Not everyone who understands the language will do so with such fluency that they can think in it.

The daughter doesn't necessarily have any ability. What Louise does changes the world. Sshe probably explains what she did to her daughter. "Your dad and I talked to animals to learn how to communicate with them".

 

[mantidor]

Still doesn't explain the chinese part where she doesn't remember.

wait wait wait wait Another thing... Does the daughter have anything to do with the aliens? Why does she draw her parents with the bird or the alien with the modeling clay? Or maybe she had a gift too?

Does Louise always had that power with her? the gift is the language and the weapon is the futurevision thing right? So if I understand something... people that will learn the language will maybe start to see the future.. right?
I thought Louise was The One since the aliens was more kind to her or something.

It is implied the world was at peace with the aliens at the end, so they are part of everyone's culture I guess, it's expected, I mean, she even publishes a book into interpreting the heptapods language.

The gift is the same thing as the weapon, I really want to see it again because I didn't quite get it, but from what I gathered the whole thing was a huge mistranslation that almost brought world war if it wasn't for Louise.

As for her "remembering" the future, the idea is that in the past she is not that good at it, but in the future she is, and can make her past self to "remember" the future. I still think that thinking about it as future and past is more confusing, because there is no future or past, or at least not set in stone, they are kind of dynamic.

 

[Melon Husk]

I liked it. Too bad the epilogue wanted slowly pour a bucket of emotional syrup on me. The father's identity and their relationship was obvious at that point.

 

[XANDER CAGE]

I finally saw this a couple days ago and thought it was fantastic. Yeah, the future memories/gala scene thing is a bit of a wobbly closed loop, but it didn't really matter to me - it served the story they were trying to tell very well and it was still a very powerful scene. I think this film's shift from hard science fiction to emotionally driven fantasy worked a lot better than Interstellar's.

This isn't really a criticism so much as an observation, but I do find it incredibly funny how nonchalant they are about the twist. A lot of other movies would have had Louise discover that learning the language changes your perception of time at the end of the second act and spend the entire last act trying to convince people she wasn't crazy; here, she drops this giant bombshell and everyone just sort of goes with it. It's extremely bold and very silly on paper. This movie could have been disastrous but the execution is so good. "Learning a language lets you remember the future" is a reveal that could have been bungled so hard.

Also, my favorite little touch was Louise's first book referring to language as "the first weapon that is drawn" and the aliens communication "language" as "weapon."

 

[astroturfing]

hmmmhh..

-generic CGI squid-like tentacle monsters, check
-Jeremy Renner, check
-cringey romance schlock, check
-sick/dying child for cheap empathy points, check
-gimmicky and played-out non-chronological progression to trick the viewer, check
-sucking up to China (to get the movie in their market) by showing them as a powerful nation that does the right thing, check
-linguistics = BOOORING, check

2.1/10, try again whoever made this movie.

Spoiler

j/k i enjoyed it very much lol, 8.7/10, much better than Gravity or Interstellar, slightly less amazing than Moon or Europa Report

 

[acohrs]

hmmmhh..

-generic CGI squid-like tentacle monsters, check
-Jeremy Renner, check
-cringey romance schlock, check
-sick/dying child for cheap empathy points, check
-gimmicky and played-out non-chronological progression to trick the viewer, check
-sucking up to China (to get the movie in their market) by showing them as a powerful nation that does the right thing, check
-linguistics = BOOORING, check

2.1/10, try again whoever made this movie.

Spoiler

j/k i enjoyed it very much lol, 8.7/10, much better than Gravity or Interstellar, slightly less amazing than Moon or Europa Report

Sadly, I don't think that we will get another Moon for a while...

 

[PatThePassive]

I don't know about you guys but I don't like being drafted into an alien army.

"we'll need your help in 3000 years" they show up give us their language and world peace only to join a galactic war, what a bunch of assholes.

I'm joking I know the help they will need is vague but when it said that line I started thinking of crazy future space wars.

 

[shira]

I don't know about you guys but I don't like being drafted into an alien army.

"we'll need your help in 3000 years" they show up give us their language and world peace only to join a galactic war, what a bunch of assholes.

I'm joking I know the help they will need is vague but when it said that line I started thinking of crazy future space wars.

I was almost certain that the heptapods were future humans.
But who knows

 

[PatThePassive]

I was almost certain that the heptapods were future humans.
But who knows

For humans to evolve into that would take a lot lot lot more than 3000 years and even if they are from the super future I don't follow what would force that kind of evolution

Yeah when we see the whole alien it has what looks like a head and torso which I didn't like.

 

[GeekyDad]

Yeah, definitely go back and read the short story. The movie does things with the story the original author doesn't. I really like them both. I love what they did with the movie, but the short story is quite different in many ways. There seems to be a more biblical thing happening in the movie that doesn't really even get hinted at in the book.

 

[Kraftwerk]

Movie made me really sad

I get very emotional when it comes to alien contact movies. As I'll never get to experience it.

Also, as someone who studies languages and tries to be a linguist; it really appealed to me.

 

[amanset]

Finally saw it this evening and honestly thought it was appalling. One of the worst films I have ever seen at the cinema. I just can't understand where this acclaim has come from.

I just wrote this to a friend that was also very unimpressed with it:

"Ultimately the story can be broken down to “woman rewires brain by learning a language and thus unlocks the ability to see the future”. Rather than being profound this is merely a retread of the idea that humans only use X% of their brain, which not only is scientifically inaccurate but is a trope and as such a massive cliché."

Frankly, if you cut out the endless slow motion footage of her kid playing there is barely enough film to fill a 42 minute TV show. Added to that, one of the most interesting things of the film should have been how she managed to decode their language, yet that is relegated to a mere short montage with voiceover, meaning there is plenty of more time for the kid playing.

Honestly one of the worst films I have ever seen at the cinema. Barely a story, clearly thought it was being clever whilst not realising that it was retreading one of the biggest clichés in sci-fi and so terribly, terribly boring.

And as my friend said: "The concept could make an interesting film but the mawkish Hollywood cliches (what does every female lead have to be haunted by a dead child?) ruined it."

And finally, what did Hawkeye do in the film? Ever? He was supposed to be the physicist and yet does no science and is there apparently just there to hold Lois Lane's cards and come up with one of the most clichéd lines in modern cinema, "The most amazing thing wasn’t meeting them ... it was meeting you"

 

[Glass Rebel]

Just came back from it and I absolutely loved it from beginning to end.

I'm a huge fan of stories that take concepts or ideas and take them to the extreme. I mean, there is some scientific basis to the Sapir-Whorf theory and how it affects our thinking (even if it's not really "rewiring our brain"), Arrival just runs with it to absurd places that require a fair deal of suspension of disbelief. But hey, that's what sci-fi is about, right? Arrival is just exceptionally successful to getting us to that place. I was immediately reminded of Inception and how diving into dreams as a concept is just taken at face value. Arrival on the other hands slowly leads the audience to understanding this stuff by laying a trail of puzzlepieces in front of them. Some will call it trickery, I think it's just very clever storytelling and filmmaking.

I've seen people call Arrival a thinking person's sci-fi movie and while I find the expression super pretentious, there's a speck of truth in it. Not that you had to think super hard about the concepts in the movie or anything but the sort of questions it raised. Or maybe I should say the sort of questions one is led to.

Also, I will forever defend the last few minutes that people seem to call "corny".

 

[shira]

Some Blu-Ray/digital download news: http://www.blu-ray.com/movies/Arrival-Blu-ray/164834/

the tentative release date is Valentine's Day 2/14/2017

Repost from the main thread if anyone is interested when the digital/bluray/dvd is coming out

I know I'll be watching this over and over and over again

 

[Omnistalgic]

Just saw this brilliant movie yesterday! You guys were right! What a treat that was. Very simple, and positive outlook that I dunno, felt like a breath of fresh air from all the doom/gloom end of the world stories we see in the movies. Even though realistically, it does look like the path we are on, it's nice to have a more upbeat tale about us being alone in the universe no longer.

 

[Omnistalgic]

Finally saw it this evening and honestly thought it was appalling. One of the worst films I have ever seen at the cinema. I just can't understand where this acclaim has come from.

I just wrote this to a friend that was also very unimpressed with it:

"Ultimately the story can be broken down to “woman rewires brain by learning a language and thus unlocks the ability to see the future”. Rather than being profound this is merely a retread of the idea that humans only use X% of their brain, which not only is scientifically inaccurate but is a trope and as such a massive cliché."

Frankly, if you cut out the endless slow motion footage of her kid playing there is barely enough film to fill a 42 minute TV show. Added to that, one of the most interesting things of the film should have been how she managed to decode their language, yet that is relegated to a mere short montage with voiceover, meaning there is plenty of more time for the kid playing.

Honestly one of the worst films I have ever seen at the cinema. Barely a story, clearly thought it was being clever whilst not realising that it was retreading one of the biggest clichés in sci-fi and so terribly, terribly boring.

And as my friend said: "The concept could make an interesting film but the mawkish Hollywood cliches (what does every female lead have to be haunted by a dead child?) ruined it."

And finally, what did Hawkeye do in the film? Ever? He was supposed to be the physicist and yet does no science and is there apparently just there to hold Lois Lane's cards and come up with one of the most clichéd lines in modern cinema, "The most amazing thing wasn’t meeting them ... it was meeting you"

Respect your opinion, but it come across as just overly jaded. Just because something is cliche doesn't mean it can't be well performed. And us using more than our potential brain power is simply exaggerated by pop culture, but everyone isn't walking around with the IQ of Einstein are they? Our cells should stop reproducing around a certain age and we'd basically be "perfect" and stop aging or at least live a very long time, I love science, but don't be so dogmatic with everything and finite, there's PLENTY we don't understand about about minds/bodies/universe, and it makes for good storytelling.

 

[SliChillax]

Noticed the same. Watched on a Sony 4K screen, but when the screen was bright there were weird square artifacts all over the screen.

Where did you find the movie? 4k Blu ray isn't out yet.

 

[DJ88]

"Ultimately the story can be broken down to “woman rewires brain by learning a language and thus unlocks the ability to see the future”. Rather than being profound this is merely a retread of the idea that humans only use X% of their brain, which not only is scientifically inaccurate but is a trope and as such a massive cliché."

I have no idea how you came away from this film with that.

 

[RoKKeR]

Wow this movie. Wow! Intelligent, thrilling, emotional.... incredible.

 

[Chumley]

Finally saw this. Loved it, especially the opening, but the ending let me down. The aliens only coming to help humanity come together because they can see the future, and learning their language lets Amy Adams see the future too, was just kind of lame IMO. An extremely promising first half that culminated in a relatively pat and easy Hollywood ending.

One thing though is I'm an idiot and didn't realize till I got home that the way she knew the Chinese general's number and what to tell him was because he told her in the future to do it. I just hate time paradox stories like that, it diminishes the weight and stakes of everything that came before it. Testament to Villeneuve that he still made it an incredibly strong movie.

 

[shira]

Finally saw this. Loved it, especially the opening, but the ending let me down. The aliens only coming to help humanity come together because they can see the future, and learning their language lets Amy Adams see the future too, was just kind of lame IMO. An extremely promising first half that culminated in a relatively pat and easy Hollywood ending.

Yeah it's a very common criticism.

I was really able to empathize with Adams so it felt great

 

[Chumley]

Yeah it's a very common criticism.

I was really able to empathize with Adams so it felt great

Same, and the way the film doles out the revelations to make you think about the entire thing in a non-linear fashion like the Hectopods wanted Louise to was really great. The filmmaking, atmosphere, editing, etc. was all just so top notch that it outdid the lame second half of the script.

 

[Wensih]

Finally saw this. Loved it, especially the opening, but the ending let me down. The aliens only coming to help humanity come together because they can see the future, and learning their language lets Amy Adams see the future too, was just kind of lame IMO. An extremely promising first half that culminated in a relatively pat and easy Hollywood ending.

I actually hated the opening until the ending changed the perception of it. Usually the emotional cliche of a child dying is an instant mood killer for myself.

Thought the time travel stuff was a great send up to Vonnegut, both in concept and alien design (giant hands), not really Hollywood.

 

[Chumley]

I actually hated the opening until the ending changed the perception of it. Usually the emotional cliche of a child dying is an instant mood killer for myself.

I meant moreso the leadup to the reveal of the Aliens, while everything was still mysterious and the pace just kept moving forward with astonishing atmosphere and visuals. Once it started getting bogged down into the non-linearity of time and constant shots of Amy Adams thinking about her child it lost some momentum for me. And the ending maybe wasn't typical Hollywood, but it took an interesting premise re: learning Alien language and then just turned it into a typical "if you use your brain you can see the future" thing, and did nothing more.

I was enthralled by the design of the aliens, they were horrifying Cthulu creatures and I like that they kept them mysterious for the entire film. But their purpose just being to unite Humanity was way too easy.

 

[Wensih]

I meant moreso the leadup to the reveal of the Aliens, while everything was still mysterious and the pace just kept moving forward with astonishing atmosphere and visuals. Once it started getting bogged down into the non-linearity of time and constant shots of Amy Adams thinking about her child it lost some momentum for me. And the ending maybe wasn't typical Hollywood, but it took an interesting premise re: learning Alien language and then just turned it into a typical "if you use your brain you can see the future" thing, and did nothing more.

I was enthralled by the design of the aliens, they were horrifying Cthulu creatures and I like that they kept them mysterious for the entire film. But their purpose just being to unite Humanity was way too easy.

I can agree with this. The scene from the beginning that really made me go wow. Was the classroom scene where kids were getting text messages and one reluctantly asked her to turn on the news. It felt like a 9/11 like event was occurring.

 

[shira]

I can agree with this. The scene from the beginning that really made me go wow. Was the classroom scene where kids were getting text messages and one reluctantly asked her to turn on the news. It felt like a 9/11 like event was occurring.

I think it's too hard to capture how crazy things would be without ruining the movie.

A real first contact event would be chaos pandemonium, not just the rear-ending and the shutting down college classes.

 

[mantidor]

I think it's too hard to capture how crazy things would be without ruining the movie.

A real first contact event would be chaos pandemonium, not just the rear-ending and the shutting down college classes.

But it was chaos pandemonium, we can see it on the few news clips we see here and there.

 

[b&jy77VjiKn$#F]

Renner "left" her because she told him about their daughter dying.

That's my interpretation of it.

Im not sure if anyone has mentioned it (just got out of theater, still reading the thread), but my take of it is that he believed she made the wrong choice by conceiving the child.

 

[Matt]

Im not sure if anyone has mentioned it (just got out of theater, still reading the thread), but my take of it is that he believed she made the wrong choice by conceiving the child.

Yep.

 

[Moonkid]

Watched the film for a second time, keen to watch it more to make sense of the cinematography and mise-en-scene. The only thing new I picked up in this regard is the graphic parallel of Lousie's home with the glass panel and the meeting room inside the Heptapod ship. My favourite scenes were no less effective the second time through, first encountering the Heptapods and Abott's sacrifice were just as riveting. Favourite shot is still possibly the collage of screens at the end that announces the alien's departure or the shot of them upside at the start.

 

[Toxi]

The first scene of them entering the Heptapod spaceship is one of the most masterfully unnerving things I've ever watched.

 

[Moonkid]

The first scene of them entering the Heptapod spaceship is one of the most masterfully unnerving things I've ever watched.

I don't know if you've seen it but it actually now reminds me of the border crossing in Sicario. Similar bass-heavy queue from Johannsson and a slow-build up of absolute dread.

 

[FantasticMrFoxdie]

Finally got to see this. I really enjoyed it. Its definitely a thought provoker

So she had a stronger sense of "time powers" then? Ian said he was experiencing similar "dreams"

I liked it. Too bad the epilogue wanted slowly pour a bucket of emotional syrup on me. The father's identity and their relationship was obvious at that point.

Yeah I kind of predicted the twist from the beginning and I laughed hours after because it seemed like the movie was actually trying to give that away from the start. "if you knew what was going to happen would you do it all again"

Boom, Inception.