Even if, as has been claimed, those milestones were unrealistic to begin with?
Scalebound cancelled [Platinum Games and Kamiya have commented]
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I wonder if this is what SneakersSO was hinting at.
eh, damn:
this is fucked up if true
Who is that?
Alot of distrust among xbox fans on twitter/youtube, watched one guy he was so angry I could barely hear what he was screaming
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_RuD_QG8yII
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_RuD_QG8yII
AusRoachman
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Personally the game did not appeal to me in the slightest , felt like they were desperately trying to hit the Japan market (just give up already ms , it's never going to happen).
The fact it run and looked like dogshit on its e3 showings also didn't help . The game would have bombed worse then all there other recent bombs.
Should have created another subset overdrive or some other new ip. Yes they bombed also but they look way more fun than this game ever did.
Seems like platinum are really dropping the ball of late , first teenage mutant ninja turtle bombs and now this , feels like they overexpanded and just keep having publisher issues .
The fact it run and looked like dogshit on its e3 showings also didn't help . The game would have bombed worse then all there other recent bombs.
Should have created another subset overdrive or some other new ip. Yes they bombed also but they look way more fun than this game ever did.
Seems like platinum are really dropping the ball of late , first teenage mutant ninja turtle bombs and now this , feels like they overexpanded and just keep having publisher issues .
TLZ
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They're done with it and don't want it. So why not? I hope Sony or Nintendo fund it so we still get it at some point.
People need to stop with this now you know damn well that's not him playing.
If the rumours are true about ms setting unreasonable goals for platinum it's probably because they didn't want to fund the next transformers or tmnt. Scalebound looked bad at e3 if anything ms were probably influenced in their decision to put the brakes on this game by the reception it recieved on sites like this.
Spyder_Monkey
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Platinum batting 50/50 is total bullshit. All their games but two licensed ones are good.
SuperShadow271
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It's such a shame this happened. I was looking forward to it. I forget who now, but didn't one of the Microsoft higher-up say it was GOAT material? What a shame this happened
RPGCrazied
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That is disappointing, I don't have a Xbox One yet, and this was one of the only titles that was interesting me to maybe get one down the road. Guess not now.
exmachina64
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I'm not particularly inclined to defend Microsoft, but we don't know if that information is one-sided.
OmegaSmash
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Does anyone have the thread that explains what happened with Phantom Dust? I know a lot of shit went down with it but I didn't pay much attention to it.
Well I wouldn't be surprised if those milestones that platinum was missing way back then were ridiculous milestones set my ms themselves
Fancy voice actors are a drop in the bucket for a game's budget.
Asset creation, engineering, and iteration are the expensive parts (usually).
The increase in fidelity is due to market standards based on audience expectation; there will always be some other company that will spend more than you, be more willing to risk the company, or be more willing to use methods to charge more. As such, they can spend more on assets (higher quality and higher variability/volume of character art, animation, world art) or more on engineering (giant worlds, shorter load times, greater world reactivity, better animation blending, better lighting, higher framerate) or a greater amount of iteration (better on-boarding, smoother gameplay, less bugs, more cohesive art/story, generally just better gameplay).
Just look at how many people in this very thread thought that the Scalebound looked bad. Not just 'unfun', but technically underwhelming. Platform holders are expected to lead the pack.
It's escalation. No one spend $400 to play games they could have played on their 360.
Hey_Blinkin
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I wonder how many XBOX Ones they sold to people who were thinking "Well, I'm going to want one for Phantom Dust and/or Scalebound eventually so I might as well go ahead and buy one".
Doug Heffernan
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If those milestones were unrealistic then why did Platinum sign the contract?
And I guess the insiders at Microsoft (presumably who Eurogamer were talking to) are saying that Platinum was having issues with the engine.
There's zero way of telling whether those milestones were realistic or not.
Beerman462
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This will always be wrong. Want to play MS exclusives, but don't want to buy a PC? Well there you go. An Xbox One S is at least half the cost of buying a new PC. Also there are people that don't want to game on PC for what ever reason.
I don't disagree at all - I think history has shown us it would be very odd for the market to have just one console in it. But I think that keeping a console and brand that the market has pretty heavily rejected alive through MS money earns from its other products isn't good - it's the opposite of market forces.
I'm just not afraid of Sony having a dominant run for a while. Last time it happened we got truly amazing games, and like you say I don't think that future would continue forever.
(Let's not forget that as gamers, it's better in terms of games produced to have one huge dominant console than it is multiple equal competing consoles. It's far easier to build games when you only go for one machine rather than two or three, and the lower development costs are the more games we see).
Theslammer
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Ah, okay.
I guess it still helps the point, though: much has been revealed since 2014, and most of those games that were showcased in 2014 have been released. Meanwhile, not much has come out from MS's E3 2014, which seems like a waste.
Usually MS is a lot better at showing you something at E3 that you're going to play that year, whereas Sony usually shows you things you'll be playing a while from E3/GC, with some trailers for stuff you already know about coming out that fall.
CrimsonEclipse
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This seems to becoming the reality, and I just literally mentioned something similar to this in my last post.
Don't want this to sour my expectations for Scorpio but if it keeps happening dunno how they are gonna keep people excited.
funkystudent
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Cnet Australia guy.
Based in Japan.
Probably knows alot more going on in the Japan scene then Gies but Gies has always had a axe to grind with Platinum. Not shocked he is being a ass
giancarlo123x
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Crayon
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But at this point you have to question if they even really want to be in the console gaming business anymore.
One would think they would have interest in getting some interesting IPs on their console with the impending release of the Scorpio, but instead it's basically becoming a Halo box. That's not good.
To be frank, that's not a very hard thing to achieve.
Humdinger
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Well, he only listed exclusives not coming to PC. Lots of people don't game on PC, so Halo, Forza, Gears are relevant as "exclusive" (console exclusive, that is), although he omits them from the list. With the Play Anywhere initiative, any list of MS true exclusives (not on PC) is going to look very, very thin. I think that's sort of an unfair way to present the data, though, because many people just game on console, not PC.
Wow, and people give Sony sh*t for delaying games. At least they come out. Delaystation? More like Cancelbox. ;p (p.s. Project Spark came out, didn't it?)
Neff
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This is nonsense and you know it. There are many lamenting the cancellation of this game, the idea that they may or may not have a propensity for hardware brands is irrelevant.
Also, considering how much has been spent on the game, and how clearly disinterested MS are in the project and 'losing' more money on it, I wouldn't be surprised to see another party offer to step in and purchase the assets and trademark from them. It might not be likely, but it wouldn't surprise me at all.
People make big promises to land contracts and lie to themselves about the plausibility of fulfilling them. It happens all the time. People will do and say crazy things to get them, and negotiate themselves into a corner in the heat of the moment. It's only natural when your job, the jobs of your co-workers, and potentially your entire business is on the line.
Professor Renegade
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Well this fucking sucks. I was really looking forward to this game.
bananafactory
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I'm sure there's two sides but this seems really bad
Nier: Automata is their first game since Bayonetta 2 that has gotten a half-decent budget and has had a very hands-off approach from the publisher, and lo & behold, it seems like it's up to the usual Platinum quality.
In comparison TMNT and Legend of Korra clearly had shoestring budgets (+ you know, Activision, they do nothing but shit on their developer partners) and Miyamoto's idiotic design decisions were mostly at fault with Star Fox being the way it is, Platinum was just hired to do the grunt work of creating the content for what Nintendo had decided/designed and they really did the best with what they were given. Scalebound seems like it might've had some flaws but it would probably still have been very enjoyable game to play and wouldn't have been anywhere near the shit tier of TMNT and a lot better than Star Fox too. Using TMNT, Legend of Korra and Star Fox as any kind of indications of what Platinum can do is dumb beyond comprehension.
But the ones you listed are more known IPs and have had multiple games in the past. Scalebound had it's first game cancelled. Do you think they're going to revive Scalebound at some point in the future? I don't think so at all and I do wish some other publisher picked it up.
Edit: And even if they revive it, it won't be with Platinum.
I was blocked by Gies a long time ago during the original Xbox One always online stuff. I retweeted something he said (i don't remember what), then blocked. I never talked about him before, never followed him, never knew about him, never communicated with him. I didn't even have a GAF account yet but I was sharing information from GAF and good GAF posts on the topic, and other news sources as things were happening. Maybe he thought I was a gaffer? I have no idea.
See that's the thing with these situations there is always 2 sides to everything. However the fact that this sounds a lot like what the Phantom Dust devs were saying makes me lean towards this guy a bit more.
GlamFM
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That Platinum agreed to way back then....
3rdamention
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And Arthur Gies in there taking the loss on that conversation. Interesting he would try to counter a guy that is in Japan and knows and speaks with Platinum regularly...
I'm sure there's two sides but this seems really bad
There are 2 sides, but we will only ever hear this one.
This feels like a 'he said she said' type of thing.
It could have been the case that Platinum thought the milestones were impossible while Microsoft thought it was feasible. Kamiya has admitted the game was technically difficult and this is a genre they don't have experience with.
It could have been the case that Platinum thought the milestones were impossible while Microsoft thought it was feasible. Kamiya has admitted the game was technically difficult and this is a genre they don't have experience with.
Oh wow.
I am much, much more inclined to believe that Microsoft set unrealistic goals and forced feature-creep than that Platinum started missing deadlines after dozens of projects delivered seemingly on budget and on time.
This is looking precisely like the Phantom Dust fiasco, but at a much larger scale.
I don't think any more info is gonna be coming from either party about this situation, so the stuff that's coming out from outside sources is probably gonna be the best we're gonna get. I see where you're coming from, though.
DriftingSpirit
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fluffydelusions
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Well I don't see platinum making another exclusive for MS if trueI'm sure there's two sides but this seems really bad
Relaxed Muscle
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Woah, I'm pretty pissed right now at MS.
You don't contract one of the best auteurs of gaming and pull that shit on them....
ViewtifulJC
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only real clover studios fans remember
I'm sure there's two sides but this seems really bad
Why would they purposely make them unachieveable? What would they gain from that?
I mean I could understand them being terrible at planning and budgeting but to straight up purposely cause them to fail? I don't buy that.
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