It was voted GAF's most anticipated 2017 XB1 game.
Scalebound cancelled [Platinum Games and Kamiya have commented]
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shanafan
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Microsoft isn't going out of business anytime soon..
ViewtifulJC
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I mean, almost by default, right?
I feel like Prey 2 is a bit different as it seems like development was progressing well and Zenimax fucked over Human Head anyway.
MS, MS, MS. You bunch of ding dongs. These types of games rarely take off.
CassidyIzABeast
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Scalebound was huge in the list wars.
A map made up of "great" and "awesome."
The footage didn't blow me away like most Platinum Games but I was still looking forward to it, even if I did wind up selling my Xbox.
Microsoft's strategy hasn't made a lot of sense to me. I know they want to transition to more service based stuff, but how the hell are they going to get people to buy into their ecosystem without any content to entice them?
Do they just plan on sucking current Xbox owners dry and calling it a day?
It's Japanese it's platnum and it's exclusive.
Relaxed Muscle
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Maybe it lacked polish, but is normal, the infamous E3 demo it was like more than 2 years away from being released.
Seeing that is not the first time MS pulled similar shanenigans and that PG efficiency in quite high. I'm siding with PG on this, not saying they don't have any fault, and is clear that the scope of the game made things harder, but seems another case of MS screwing a dev.
This is the worst part of it all. Microsoft literally drove Kamiya to sickness. The man is a treasure of the industry.
Hoping he can find recovery and fulfillment on Bayonetta 3.
This is kind of how I feel as well. Hopefully the team keeps what they have so far intact and just make the game they really wanted to make instead, changing the art style and characters to better suit their vision. Probably wont happen but if there was one thing for sure, the dragon flying and battles did look quite fun.
Agreed, I love this video IGN did about him. Makes me really connected to his style and vision. Games with arcade like fun and sensibility.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SEIyN5Lubsc
Storm Chamber
Banned
Well damn. Hopefully Kamiya gets the help he needs.
exmachina64
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Because you don't know how many games they've had cancelled.
All the large, independent developers have had games cancelled.
plasmawave
Banned
Maybe the contract was written in the way that MS could constantly change what those milestones were.
I thought this forum was supposed to above all the fanboyism name calling bullshit.
It's a comparison of games that were shown at E3 2014. Sony chose to not show new games that were too far away from being completed and stuck to ones that were previously announced. Microsoft instead chose to show games that were far away from being completed. This is what's being compared. No one is being disingenuous.
Pathfinder
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Yeah, but Microsoft didn't pull out of this project and screw the developers out of spite.
Big difference.
GamingPheasant
Banned
Just woke up to this news, so, who owns the IP?
Can Platinum take this to another publisher?
Can Platinum take this to another publisher?
ViewtifulJC
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fuck me, I missed this post. This shit sent Kamiya crazy.
What a colossal fuck-up this turned out to be, man.
Head.spawn
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Some posted this link:
https://twitter.com/aegies/status/731621595337228288?lang=en
I'd like to assume it's the one where he says he was playing; but he has me blocked so I can't verify.
DriftingSpirit
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Scalebound was at number 22 and the next closest was Halo Wars 2 at 30. Cuphead was in between the two but I'm just focusing on bigger games.
Suzushiiro
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It sounds like MS put something in the contract that gave them the ability to move the goalposts, either by shoehorning in features (the MP) or changing deadlines. That way if they didn't want to put money into the game anymore they could just move the goalposts to a place that was impossible to make.
There's no real financial benefit to dropping a game you've already sunk tons of money into and started marketing.
They dropped the game because they no longer had faith in the vision. The game had a cool premise, but always looked janky whenever it was on display.
It sucks, but MS cut there losses rather yhT continue to invest in another stinker.
KeyChainDude
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Meh, I bought a cheap used X1 from a friend to play this and Sunset Overdrive. Guess I'll have to dump it on the hand of some Halo fanboy and stick to my PS4.
Seems like a flimsy way to throw out their reputation.
Kamiya has worked on gigantic projects in the past. For their time, RE2 and Okami are gigantic achievements -- much bigger relative to the industry standard than Scalebound would have been. They know what they are doing.
Scalebound never looked as bad as the awful gameplay showings of Recore, for example.
If that is the case, then how is cancelling a game after four years instead of during budgeting and prototyping an example of good management, again? You only reinforce my point.
Sanctuary
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It was actually the only Xbone exclusive I was interested in. I wouldn't have purchased the system for it either, I would have just purchased the game and borrowed the system from a friend. Now I have zero interest in anything the system has to offer. Regardless, as more of the game was shown as it developed, my enthusiasm actually progressively lowered. It just looked like it was turning into yet another attempt to tick all of the trendy, mainstream "mass appeal" boxes and not actually offer much of anything new, and more annoyances than anything.
TLZ
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Were all these canceled? No.
Scalebound was never released. So I'm hopeful. I like what I've seen and would rather not see it rot.
Neff
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They've definitely had better relations and created more accomplished products with Japanese developers than Western ones, although I really do love Transformers Devastation.
SenjutsuSage
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Oh well, officially over it now. Let's hope Platinum Games bounces back and makes something new and incredible.
I will say this, however, STOP TRYING TO MAKE GAMES THAT SHOULD NOT BE MULTI-PLAYER OR CO-OP OR WHATEVER INTO SOMETHING THEY ARE NOT AT THEIR CORE. PLEASE, LET IT STOP!
People will still buy fantastic story driven singleplayer games if they don't fucking suck. I refuse to pay attention to the stats (they are meaningless) because of the games that do really well with multiplayer they have other things going for them that either make it a more natural fit, or are benefiting from loyalty built up from prior efforts. Given a chance to build on a foundation, singleplayer story driven experiences can be as, or more, successful than any other kind of game. I'm not blaming Microsoft here, but I have a feeling deep down that trying to involve co-op multiplayer into this game is at the very core of what went wrong, and why it didn't come together.
Whatever happened to just letting a game be live-enabled in the most basic of ways, such as achievements, game related notifications to friends etc. Why, why must there be co-op play also?
I will say this, however, STOP TRYING TO MAKE GAMES THAT SHOULD NOT BE MULTI-PLAYER OR CO-OP OR WHATEVER INTO SOMETHING THEY ARE NOT AT THEIR CORE. PLEASE, LET IT STOP!
People will still buy fantastic story driven singleplayer games if they don't fucking suck. I refuse to pay attention to the stats (they are meaningless) because of the games that do really well with multiplayer they have other things going for them that either make it a more natural fit, or are benefiting from loyalty built up from prior efforts. Given a chance to build on a foundation, singleplayer story driven experiences can be as, or more, successful than any other kind of game. I'm not blaming Microsoft here, but I have a feeling deep down that trying to involve co-op multiplayer into this game is at the very core of what went wrong, and why it didn't come together.
Whatever happened to just letting a game be live-enabled in the most basic of ways, such as achievements, game related notifications to friends etc. Why, why must there be co-op play also?
GustyGardens
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That sucks.
While it the game wasn't really my taste, but Platnium rarely makes anything that I'd consider to be my taste. It's still shitty when a game gets cancelled, especially from a developer that people really love.
While it the game wasn't really my taste, but Platnium rarely makes anything that I'd consider to be my taste. It's still shitty when a game gets cancelled, especially from a developer that people really love.
Gamer @ Heart
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No. We basically got one side of the story, but some kotaku sleuthing revealed a pattern that basically confirmed Bethesda were terrible. They had a history of doing shady milestone practices to force the companies into selling thus buying a studio for cheap sealed the deal in that case.
But in this one, Microsoft doesn't have that history. I can't imagine how much they already spent and how much more they think they would HAVE to spend marketing wuse to make this game successful enough. I think QB burned them bad. There is no way they wanted this to fail, so clearly there were enough red flags that Microsoft just couldn't ignore.
Because of that, I need more details. Particularly about the multiplayer stuff.
Doctor Ironic
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eh, damn:
this is fucked up if true
lol @ Gies saying Platinum is "50/50 at best" when they've made, what was it, like two disappointing games?
I bet you if star fox was developed in house it would've been a better game. Other then star fox, and amiibo animal crossing every other title has been solid from Nintendo first party developers for the wii u
Spyder_Monkey
Banned
Poor Microsoft for potentially mismanaging a project and cancelling it (again).
Read up on GRIN and Fortress, and Human Head's Prey 2. Happens more often than you think.
rakkadakka
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This sucks.
Not really into JRPGs myself but I feel for anyone who bought an Xbox hoping to play it.
Not really into JRPGs myself but I feel for anyone who bought an Xbox hoping to play it.
Maybe he'll get a job reviewing Surfaces, Azure cloud services, and office productivity suites.
Rumblebones
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This royally pisses me off.
Glass Rebel
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Devastation has no business being as good as it is.
Actually, I have heard from my friends at MS that the whole gaming division is under heavy scrutiny. I really wouldn't be surprised to see them drastically cut, and even more I highly expect the "Scorpio" to be delayed - that is a piece of information I have been keeping to myself to keep from being labeled a console warrior... We know there will be a new Forza this year, but everything else is up in the air...
I'd expect some kind of Minecraft clone to "diversify" the third-party lineup if Scorpio actually releases this year.
Meanwhile, MS is sitting on all of Rare's properties which we may never see again. If it won't be a major "success", the game will never see release. So probably never see another Banjo, or Conker, or any number of titles. Instead, they have Rare working on a multiplayer (has to be), pirate simulator. Pray Sea of Thieves is a success, or Rare will be next studio canned.
I'd expect some kind of Minecraft clone to "diversify" the third-party lineup if Scorpio actually releases this year.
Meanwhile, MS is sitting on all of Rare's properties which we may never see again. If it won't be a major "success", the game will never see release. So probably never see another Banjo, or Conker, or any number of titles. Instead, they have Rare working on a multiplayer (has to be), pirate simulator. Pray Sea of Thieves is a success, or Rare will be next studio canned.
Zomba13
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To be fair to Gies he hates Vanquish and Bayonetta so him saying Platinum are 50/50 is probably him saying the Activision licensed games were the good ones.
Pathfinder
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If I were you, I'd worry more about making sure my lists were accurate before posting them.
Apoleptica
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Wow after this (besides Sea of Thieves) there is not a single game I'm looking forward to from MS. RIP my xbox one.
TheGameshark
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I'll be honest I thought this game looked pretty bad at e3 but at least it was something different opposed to the usual suspects that MS seem release every other year. I could see how the game looked in trouble but it's a shame this is the outcome. Can't say I have much hype for Scorpio. Just feel like MS are going to live or die with the same cycle of Forza, Halo, Gears. Curious to hear more of the story.
Relaxed Muscle
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Almost a miracle, and you can clearly see it was made on a shoestring budget.
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