Scalebound cancelled [Platinum Games and Kamiya have commented]

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Masked Man said:
It's a meme.

I've actually had the pleasure of meeting with Kamiya—at Platinum Games, no less—and he was a pleasant, personable guy, if a bit under the weather at the time. I have a lot of respect and admiration for him, and I feel terrible about the cancellation. :/
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Didn't he also have a *falling out* with Microsoft staff during or just before E3, or was that Gamescom? Him being annoyed probably had a lot to do with this game tbh.
 
What data are people using to draw positive correlations between first party games and console sales?

Wii U had a far more extensive first party library than Xbox One and yet...
 
SegaShack said:
It's interesting to me to see how many people are disapointed, the last time they showed the game I remember everyone trashing it.
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People keep saying this as if what you see in a demo is set in stone. The entire point of criticising a game in development is for developers to fix what is broken and polish what is rough.

SegaShack said:
Too bad it got cancelled though. I think no one should point fingers till we know the whole story though.
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Which, contracts and non-disclosure clauses being what they are, we may never do. Not like it matters, people are going to believe what they want no matter what anyone else says. It's not like Microsoft fans are going to believe the words of Platinum devs, or viceversa.
 
duckroll said:
What's there not to get? Sony still plans on publishing Japanese games years from now, and they want a healthy working relationship with their Japanese partners and studios, as well as fans of those talent. MS probably does not even have plans for publishing any Japanese games moving forward, probably not many games period, and if corporate rumors are to be believed, they might not even see much of a worthwhile future in the core gaming business long term.
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Ok i see, thanks!
 
duckroll said:
What's there not to get? Sony still plans on publishing Japanese games years from now, and they want a healthy working relationship with their Japanese partners and studios, as well as fans of those talent. MS probably does not even have plans for publishing any Japanese games moving forward, probably not many games period, and if corporate rumors are to be believed, they might not even see much of a worthwhile future in the core gaming business long term.
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I think most of the leadership at Sony love to produce games. And that is one of the reasons why they were committed to TLG and getting Japanese games (any kind of game) on the system. MS leadership are not in the same boat (though thry do exist here and there like Phill)
 
I-hate-u said:
They should assimilate into Capcom. Most of the big names were from there anyway. Inject modern development blood into that old big blue.
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Honestly that could be very beneficial to both parties lol. Platinum needs work and capcom needs talent. Of course that would be destroyed after a bomb or two but won't hurt to try.
 
orthodoxy1095 said:
Yeah that's why I was asking for anything concrete that I might have missed in the past few hours. I'd need to know more about these contracts or how they handled it before I'm willing to throw them under the bus. Even if they did something shady, I don't buy that P* is blameless in project management here.
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Either one of the most efficient studios in the industry couldn't get the game out on time somehow, or the publisher with the history of cancelling projects cancelled another project.
 
UraMallas said:
So nothing. Lots of reactionary posts in here.



I mean. I guess... So, you're just speculating? Nothing at all concrete?
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Listen ; this is not the kind of thing Microsoft will want to go out in public and announce when they've got a flagship console hardware shipping in the next year.

He's not wrong, though ; their focus will change. It won't please GAF, whatever they do. But GAF has never been about corporate decisions, GAF has been about games and sales.

They're clearly restructuring their offering, and you can clearly see that when they setup Coalition and 343. They want brands, they want products.
 
damn I can't believe this thread is over 116 pages long! it's almost like some people on neogaf care about the dev team that might lose their jobs over this...and want to figure out whos at fault here
 
Spyder_Monkey said:
Either one of the most efficient studios in the industry couldn't get the game out on time somehow, or the publisher with the history of cancelling projects cancelled another project.
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This is a nothing statement.

They're not going to throw the game into the trash for shits and giggles. By many rumors, other games that were canceled (Fables) weren't too great either. You can put that on poor leadership from MS perhaps, but there's obviously more to these situations than "lol Xbox Cancel-Another-One amirite?"
 
duckroll said:
When the new MS CEO took over there were rumblings that the Xbox division was under evaluation. They have since obviously come out to support the division and say all is well, but let's be honest, they have Minecraft, they want to expand more and more into a services driven company, and that doesn't really gel with the traditional business of just making hardware and publishing exclusives.
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This is something I should have added to my rambling post from a few pages back - MS is very much looking at their gaming portfolio and only releasing titles that can be monetized in perpetuity. In app purchases/ microtransactions , etc. Basically if they can't sell the equivalent of a team fortress 2 hat or push it as an e-sport , they don't want it.

This is why I don't think sea of thieves and crackdown are safe. The former probably got greenlit on the pretense they could sell it as minecraft but with pirates and the latter , they attempted to turn into a multiplayer only free to play mess that no one asked for. We also haven't see or heard about the game in a few years now which means either a lot of wasted money OR no money and a tiny team attempting to stitch together something resembling a game kind of like what happened with Just Cause 3.

So the question comes back - why even make a scorpio ? because MS did some focus testing and the metrics tell them that having the most powerful console will sell systems. If this is how little they care about quality software though... well I wish them the best of luck.
 
SlimySnake said:
link please. this thread is getting like 20 posts a minute and its impossible to keep up. op is doing a terrible job as well.

i dont know why they would show not one but two gameplay demos and not show the coolest thing about the game. i also didnt read hear any particularly glowing impressions back at gamescom about closed door demos and they usually leak. and now we have some guy saying omg this thing has dragon combos and everyone thinks omg best game ever when the reality is that those combos didnt look too neat.
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Here and here.

see the impressions of the suicide squad's original cut where some guy posted glowing impressions of harley and joker's deleted scenes. we all thought that would have saved the movie but they added those back in and they were actually kinda terrible.

one last analogy, no one gets divorced if they have a happy marriage. no game gets cancelled if it looked amazing.
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ahahahahahahahah
 
orthodoxy1095 said:
This is a nothing statement. They're not going to throw the game into the trash for shits and giggles.
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What happened was Platinum wanted to make one game, MS wanted another. They clashed and the game got cancelled. It happened with Phantom Dust and it happened with Fable.

I don't understand how you think MS can have three high profile cancellations this gen when the competition had none and still think it's not MS's fault.
 
Famassu said:
Stop creating this narrative that the game looked like a complete disaster. Not everyone thought it looked "fucked" or shitty. It had framerate problems and the huge boss fight wasn't the best looking thing ever, but framerate issues are something that often get (mostly) ironed out late in development and boring big bosses would have only been one portion of the game (and not necessarily all of them would have been boring just because one might've been based on a quick live demo of an unfinished game still presumably a year or so away from release by a possibly inexperienced/shitty player who didn't know how to best utilize the skills/weapons available).

Even the big boss didn't look so horrible that it would completely ruin the game, maybe it could've even been fun with a fully unlocked combat system and after some time mastering the combat system, being played by a person who knows what they are doing. It was a bit rough but something that looked like it could be fun when finished if they could get rid of the framerate problems.
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I'm not 'creating a narrative' so come off it, never did I say 'nobody could possibly hav eliked what they saw' or anything to include you if you somehow magically thoguht it looked amazing, what I'm saying is that the overwhelming impressions people had were bad, and this is shit you can simply look up the threads for the E3 conferences, gamecom information, etc, and SEE people posting. The hype surrounding this game got lesser each time they showed it, because it did not look good to most people every time they did.
 
orthodoxy1095 said:
This is a nothing statement.

They're not going to throw the game into the trash for shits and giggles. By many rumors, other games that were canceled (Fables) weren't too great either. You can put that on poor leadership from MS perhaps, but there's obviously more to these situations than "lol Xbox Cancel-Another-One amirite?"
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I played that Fable game. It was honestly good for what it was. not fable at all...dunno who came up with that idea, but had a good time with the beta
 
SomewhatGroovy said:
What data are people using to draw positive correlations between first party games and console sales?

Wii U had a far more extensive first party library than Xbox One and yet...
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"Man shall not live by first parties alone, but by a healthy balance of both third and first parties." - The Gospel of Platform Cultivation 5:41
 
Pachinko said:
This is something I should have added to my rambling post from a few pages back - MS is very much looking at their gaming portfolio and only releasing titles that can be monetized in perpetuity. In app purchases/ microtransactions , etc. Basically if they can't sell the equivalent of a team fortress 2 hat or push it as an e-sport , they don't want it.

This is why I don't think sea of thieves and crackdown are safe. The former probably got greenlit on the pretense they could sell it as minecraft but with pirates and the latter , they attempted to turn into a multiplayer only free to play mess that no one asked for. We also haven't see or heard about the game in a few years now which means either a lot of wasted money OR no money and a tiny team attempting to stitch together something resembling a game kind of like what happened with Just Cause 3.

So the question comes back - why even make a scorpio ? because MS did some focus testing and the metrics tell them that having the most powerful console will sell systems. If this is how little they care about quality software though... well I wish them the best of luck.
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Sea of Theives has had good press so far so that is encouraging. The problem is if MS have good expectations for it or not. If they have lofty expectations the game cant meet it's going to get canned after release.
 
I-hate-u said:
They should assimilate into Capcom. Most of the big names were from there anyway. Inject modern development blood into that old big blue.
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Capcom was the reason why clover studios was shut down and Platinum games was established.

Platinum going back to Capcom would be a clover 2.0 situation not to mention they hate the higher ups for meddling and making bone headed decisions which is still true considering how badly Capcom is in shape this generation.
 
Spyder_Monkey said:
Either one of the most efficient studios in the industry couldn't get the game out on time somehow, or the publisher with the history of cancelling projects cancelled another project.
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Every publisher has cancelled projects for various reasons regardless if you're aware or not. Just because a project is cancelled doesn't mean either side had evil motives. I've worked on cancelled projects. Sorry to blow your mind, but it happens a lot more than you know.

Either way I hope we get more info on what went down. It's really hard seeing MS being the bad guy here after 2+ years of development, but then we have those tweets that could either be truth or half truths from disgruntled people on the project. I doubt it will take long for info to start spilling out.
 
Defuser said:
Sadly after this,Kamiya will still refuse to throw his cards at Sony even if his company are in bad shape.

Throwing his cards at Ms and Nintendo last and this gen didn't work out for them.
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His company is about to ship a PS4 exclusive. I don't think he's above working with Sony anymore
 
TheYanger said:
I'm not 'creating a narrative' so come off it, never did I say 'nobody could possibly hav eliked what they saw' or anything to include you if you somehow magically thoguht it looked amazing, what I'm saying is that the overwhelming impressions people had were bad, and this is shit you can simply look up the threads for the E3 conferences, gamecom information, etc, and SEE people posting. The hype surrounding this game got lesser each time they showed it, because it did not look good to most people every time they did.
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I think you're partially right, in the sense that hype was falling down over time. However overall impressions were pretty positive by what I read.

Maybe my attention was aimed for the positive stuff, cause I was very hyped for it, but still I believe this was a game with relatively high expectations, specially for two reasons: a) it was a potentially great japanese game on Xbox (something almost never happens) and b) Platinum.

Also, besides the frame-rate issues and a bad boss fight presentation, the game was looking pretty awesome to play!


Defuser said:
Sadly after this,Kamiya will still refuse to throw his cards at Sony even if his company are in bad shape.

Throwing his cards at Ms and Nintendo last and this gen didn't work out for them.
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Actually it depends on how Nier Automata will do. And to be honest I believe it will do pretty well!
 
Defuser said:
Sadly after this,Kamiya will still refuse to throw his cards at Sony even if his company are in bad shape.

Throwing his cards at Ms and Nintendo last and this gen didn't work out for them.
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Hahahahahahahahahahahaha. You think Platinum Games doesn't want to work with Sony.
 
Man, I was really looking forward to this game. On the bright side, at least I'll never have to touch the Windows 10 Store again.

Is Microsoft trying to sunset their games division? They keep closing their first party studios, and cancelling the second party games that they're publishing. They've only got a handful of exclusives announced at all. It's a really strange situation to be in, for a hardware manufacturer to have almost no support for their own console.

Nintendo got through the Wii U gen relying almost entirely on 1st and 2nd party development and publishing, Microsoft is going to come out of this generation with almost no in-house devs left at all, high-profile cancellations of exclusives they were funding, and relying entirely on 3rd party support aside from the Forza/343/Rare teams and a tiny handful of indies (Cuphead and Below are pretty much it?).
 
orthodoxy1095 said:
This is a nothing statement.

They're not going to throw the game into the trash for shits and giggles. By many rumors, other games that were canceled (Fables) weren't too great either. You can put that on poor leadership from MS perhaps, but there's obviously more to these situations than "lol Xbox Cancel-Another-One amirite?"
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Here is what has been said by Liam:

- Microsoft and PG clashed creatively, had an very negative impact on the dev team
- The stress from the above is said to have made both Kamiya and JP Kellams take an absence from the project stating "mental health issues"
- Platinum Games struggled to get the game to perform consistently on the Xbox One, citing Microsoft wouldn't compromise and wouldn't choose to scale back features causing the issues.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W3q85SF8sj0
 
Apathy said:
Thats the funny thing. That's going to get to live because of the words halo in the title. Should have named this Halobound and replaced Drew with Master Chief and it would still come out
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Microsoft has canned more Halo spin-offs than they've released 1. Party games for Xbox One.
 
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