I dont consider Bayonetta 2 as a failure. Hell, Bayonetta is in Smash now! This is hard to meaure but the ip definitely gained some sort of boost
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I dont consider Bayonetta 2 as a failure. Hell, Bayonetta is in Smash now! This is hard to meaure but the ip definitely gained some sort of boost
Fine with me. As someone who skipped the WiiU entirely because Nintendo failed to release Zelda in that console lifespan, I'll be more than happy to buy W101 and Bayoneta+Bayonetta 2 on Switch.
Relaxed Muscle
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Just saying that people shouldn't blindly hope that Nintendo contracted PG for a new game on Switch. The fact it was listed in that alongside a bunch of other devs, could mean several things.
Sure, I would double dip on Bayo games and get W101, because with PS4 and PC, I'm not gonna use my Wii U on a while, if ever again.
While I agree. SB never looked that great to me. Concept was cool, but every showing just didn't do anything for me. Overall this is a drop in the bucket and really isn't changing anything. It's unfortunately one less game for MS to release this year.
But if these articles come out and it shows MS meddled and pretty much set them up to fail. This becomes a bigger issue that it was ever going to be.
2nd'd but I did not skip the Wii U and I bought those games there.
I'll take them again please
Platinum doesn't really do porting their own work as far I can remember. Though that does not eliminate them from being acknowledged in the credits. But still, they have been doing a pretty good service for Nintendo so a new project isn't really that surprising.
They will only do Gears 1 year, while Halo is following year, then repeat.
Crazy Diamond
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Same. My console broke before I could experience Platinum's greatness. I hope that they bring ports and more.
It means Platinum Games is a developer for Nintendo Switch.
Do you want to share or are you just working on some fanfic here?
texhnolyze
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Can Sony (or maybe SquareEnix) pick this up? Is the IP owned by Microsoft?
Maybe they change the name/everything IP-related while salvaging the assets.
Maybe they change the name/everything IP-related while salvaging the assets.
Relaxed Muscle
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When you have like 100 people without a project I'm sure they will gladly port every game they released if necessary.
guess who paid for the development of those assets
Microsoft own IP and assets.
Crayon
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Here is the thread with the people who were looking forward to it including me. It was the most interesting thing coming for xbox. http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1174692
You reprint a game when you clear the shipment, on it's own, it doesn't have that much to do with the game's success! Nintendo reprinting W101 after clearing the initial 5k shipment doesn't mean it wasn't a commercial failure!
Not sure how much Bayo 2 shipped but Bayo 1 cost was much less and sold much more than 2 yet Sega thought that's not enough for them to continue with Bayo 2!
Crooked16th
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A lot of the blame falls on Platinum for over extending themselves and having at least 6 games in development at one time. Such a small studio should have not taken a project as large as Scalebound if they were not going to fully commit the whole studio to the project.
I would hope it's a bit more thought out than Bayonetta 2. There were some places that the lack of budget was incredibly obvious.
What's your source on Bayonetta 2 costing more?
With the stinginess towards cutscenes in bayo 2 I am doubtful towards this.
Mass Effect
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I hope it isn't, because I'd rather get the game on PC. Hopefully we'll know soon...
Let's just say it's about as "confirmed" as it's going to get outside of coming straight from Microsoft themselves.
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Relaxed Muscle
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Exactly. And that could mean several different things. Like porting games or creating new ones. Not you what are you getting at...
Doesn't sound like the game really got anywhere until after Wonderful 101 was released in 2013. Hastily putting together some prototypes to show to publishers is different from being able to work for 1-2 years on just testing shit out and seeing what they might want to pursue further with the full game with the backing of the publisher during the whole time.
I sure wish I supported them on the WiiU, but unfortunately I'm a stubborn man who only buys Nintendo hardware when a new Zelda is released.
EatinOlives
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This. I guess people need reminding that Demon's Souls looked like hot trash prior to release, every preview looked bad. It didn't come together until the very last minute.
It's not the norm, of course, but can you imagine if Sony back then had taken up Microsoft's attitude now and canned Demon's for that reason?
orthodoxy1095
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Not totally true. What's being developed is pretty relevant.
This would have been a nice post to have been linked to earlier. Thanks for this. Doesn't sound great. I'm getting bummed.
FinaruDensetsu
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I sure wish I supported them on the WiiU, but unfortunately I'm a stubborn man who only buys Nintendo hardware when a new Zelda is released.
You are a man of principle! I dunno why I bought a Wii U. I think they got me with the limited edition Zelda gamepad.
I sure wish I supported them on the WiiU, but unfortunately I'm a stubborn man who only buys Nintendo hardware when a new Zelda is released.
Wind Waker HD?
Bayo 2 was the tipping point for me getting a Wii U And now I own like a dozen games for it. It may not have sold millions, but it moved at least some consoles in a key demographic though who knows how many.
RiccochetJ
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You know, it could have been bad. Just tossing that out there. I'm pretty sure MS isn't happy about however much it cost them funding the development all this time and have nothing to show for it. Especially after showing off this game multiple times to the public.
tiredheadcrab
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Yeah Colin kept saying this as well. They kept over extending themselves. Scalebound was a big game. An open world RPG if I am correct. Those "impossible milestones" were probably because Platinum didnt have the man power to work on a game this big. They should have put all their focus towards this game and the studio is like just under 200 people.
For comparisons sake, Gears 4 was made by 200 people.
Jesus, please no more Wii U ports.
I think you are right in that the blame in the end will not be as one sided as a lot of the reactionary posts are jumping towards. MS is taking a bath on this and Platinum Games have hamstrung themselves
I hope the real details emerge at some point
Microsoft mismanagement ofthird party partnerships leaving developers in a bad state?
nynt9 took the exact right approach with making this thread, brilliant
nynt9 took the exact right approach with making this thread, brilliant
Relaxed Muscle
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I'll gladly take all PG Wii U games ported on Switch. Except SFZ, they can kept that one there.
If the publisher asks them to do the porting work since even Platinum has no direct control over that.
I need all the WiiU ports I can get.
Astral Dog
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Bayo 2 is easily one of the best games on Wii U in terms of production values. I know what you mean there could be fewer cutscenes but dtill was similar in Bayo 1 everything else is more or less the same but much prettier.
Remember Bayonetta 1 reused the same location like three times.
CrispyBoar
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I hope that some of them will be Bayonetta 1 & 2. The thought of them being on gamecards & playable on the go should be appealing.
Same with games like Zelda: Breath of the Wild & Smash 4.
FunkyPajamas
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"New" Zelda. I'm pretty much on the same boat (and there has to be at least one Metroid game as well) so I also skipped the Wii U.
You mean like the developers of phantom dust who didn't even know a CG announcement of their game was coming at E3 and none of their material was used such as characters and such?
Doug Heffernan
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I'm sure there'll be a lot of back and forth over the next few months. It's too early for me to ascribe strong blame to either side.
But I do feel bad for Kamiya.
This is a guy who wants nothing more than to direct his own games guided by his own vision (money is the cruel irony of Platinum Games). He makes no secret of his disdain for the "blind higher-ups" and for the marketing teams that try to push his creative designs towards the mainstream. When people ask him about his relationship with Nintendo, he praises the freedom they grant him to pursue his zany and brilliant ideas unfettered.
Working with a giant like Microsoft, who try to mold each game to fit their strategy for the global market, was never, ever going to work out. That union was never going to produce a game that had the love and soul and unbridled vision that Kamiya's games are known for.
This is the guy who once said (about Bayonetta's glasses):
Hope you feel better, Kamiya! We can't wait to play your next game.
But I do feel bad for Kamiya.
This is a guy who wants nothing more than to direct his own games guided by his own vision (money is the cruel irony of Platinum Games). He makes no secret of his disdain for the "blind higher-ups" and for the marketing teams that try to push his creative designs towards the mainstream. When people ask him about his relationship with Nintendo, he praises the freedom they grant him to pursue his zany and brilliant ideas unfettered.
Working with a giant like Microsoft, who try to mold each game to fit their strategy for the global market, was never, ever going to work out. That union was never going to produce a game that had the love and soul and unbridled vision that Kamiya's games are known for.
This is the guy who once said (about Bayonetta's glasses):
Kamiya said:
Hope you feel better, Kamiya! We can't wait to play your next game.
texhnolyze
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