Scalebound cancelled [Platinum Games and Kamiya have commented]

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Adaren said:
When Bayo1 came out, word of mouth made the game sound like this:

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"Did you hear about that action game with the naked chick? IGN gave it a 9.6!"

By the time the game had gone through the critical discourse and the sequel was coming out, people realized the game was more like this:

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It's a subtle distinction, but the former has potential mass-market appeal while the latter doesn't.

At least that's my take on it.
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I think that's an accurate take.

FYI, I think I appreciated the latter style more than I would have the former.
 
Famassu said:
Milestones set by Microsoft that have been implied to having been completely impossible in nature by people who have connections to Platinum Games.
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You don't know what milestones MS put for you to make any kind of accusation, and the game was 4 years in development and it looked bad. It's on Kamiya. It's his dream project.
 
I'm getting this mental image of Microsoft being the type to just leave their car and walk away if it's stuck in traffic for too long. Abandoning games that seem as far along as Scalebound and Fable Legends just seems bizarre - it's like they never actually wanted them and just wanted the appearance that they did.
 
Mass Effect said:
oh come off it. GAF is full of Platinum/Kamiya fans and you know it. Even if many people here ITT aren't fans of MS that doesn't mean they're glad to see this game cancelled.
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Then where was all this "Love" for the game prior to it being cancelled? You have to admit that a game having more interest now that it is dead than the entire time it was being worked on is telling. I am not saying that people of the studio/game itself are not upset, I am fan of the dev and was looking forward to the game..but the amount of MS hate flowing in this thread is telling and if there was this much interest in this game, why was there no talk of it very much?

Someone else made a post that it is just another thread for people to shit on MS about and that seems to bring out the haters regardless if they had interest in the game or not. Again, game is more popular now that it is dead than when it was alive and this thread is proof of that.
 
NetMapel said:
I have no idea that the cancellation of this particular game would cause a meltdown on GAF, haha.
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Platinum is a sweetheart dev around here and this is a pretty considerable blow for them that I can think of - maybe the first really big one?
Unless you count Bayo 2 Wii U exclusivity as a big blow. Haters :-P

That said I honestly forgot this game existed until I saw this topic.
 
Suzushiiro said:
Yeah, I can see Platinum making a game that's basically what they wanted Scalebound to be at some point- take the same base concept and file the serial numbers and shit MS almost certainly forced on it off. Would be amusing to see Sony fund it as an exclusive.
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Scalebound was shopped around for a while before it even came into MS' hands.

The game that Kamiya wanted requires a big budget and I don't think anyone is gonna do it.
 
It'd be interesting to see what the creative clash was. Maybe Microsoft pushing the devs to go in a more mainstream direction and reign in some of Kamiya's crazier ideas?
 
wtf this sucks, I thought it looked cool
Seriously though, another cancellation? We gonna have to start making a pool for what dies next? Bets on Crackdown or what?

Microsoft E3 2014
Phantom Dust
Scalebound
Crackdown

I'm finding it hard to find any reason to upgrade from X1 to scorp at this rate if all MS announcements intend on flopping. If it was just the one cancel then it could be blamed on the developer but there is a pattern.
And Phil is just blowing smoke on Twitter with nothing to make up, what is there to look forward to other than G-orza-lo basically
 
Skux said:
It'd be interesting to see what the creative clash was. Maybe Microsoft pushing the devs to go in a more mainstream direction and reign in some of Kamiya's crazier ideas?
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It may have been the 4 player co-op. That would line up with a technical hurdle that MS would not negotiate on. Creatively who knows maybe it was story related or character related. We know the original protagonist was supposed to be a woman.
 
Hawk269 said:
Then where was all this "Love" for the game prior to it being cancelled? You have to admit that a game having more interest now that it is dead than the entire time it was being worked on is telling. I am not saying that people of the studio/game itself are not upset, I am fan of the dev and was looking forward to the game..but the amount of MS hate flowing in this thread is telling and if there was this much interest in this game, why was there no talk of it very much?

Someone else made a post that it is just another thread for people to shit on MS about and that seems to bring out the haters regardless if they had interest in the game or not. Again, game is more popular now that it is dead than when it was alive and this thread is proof of that.
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This thread attracts Microsoft "haters, Microsoft"lovers", people being concerned about Platinums and in particular Kamiyas future, people concerned about Microsofts future in Japan etc etc

There is to talk about than just love for the game, hence more people talking
 
Hawk269 said:
Then where was all this "Love" for the game prior to it being cancelled? You have to admit that a game having more interest now that it is dead than the entire time it was being worked on is telling. I am not saying that people of the studio/game itself are not upset, I am fan of the dev and was looking forward to the game..but the amount of MS hate flowing in this thread is telling and if there was this much interest in this game, why was there no talk of it very much?

Someone else made a post that it is just another thread for people to shit on MS about and that seems to bring out the haters regardless if they had interest in the game or not. Again, game is more popular now that it is dead than when it was alive and this thread is proof of that.
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I dunno, big games getting cancelled is generally a huge story no matter who it is. I dont have an X1 but I never really expected this game to be canceled. I thought it looked cool from what I saw. But yeah this is the type of news that will garner the eye of gaf. I dont really think it is just the hate cycle.

Then again I also dont really do console wars so I dunno. If the development was troubled they should have stepped in sooner though. Seems Platinum was not equiped to produce their vision.
 
Suzushiiro said:
Yeah, I can see Platinum making a game that's basically what they wanted Scalebound to be at some point- take the same base concept and file the serial numbers and shit MS almost certainly forced on it off. Would be amusing to see Sony fund it as an exclusive.
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Serenade_King had a good idea over at the Nier Automata butt thread that if the game is successful and Platinum develops Drakengard 4, they can use a lot of the ideas they had from Scalebound. Drakengard does have the same basic concept of controlling a character with a dragon to help out in battles.
 
Damn I really didn't see this coming, I'm not going to lie and say it looked like it was going to be great or even good, but it was at least different to pretty much everything else MS have cooking and with Kamiya's excellent track record there was a lot of potential. Hopefully Platinum can keep hold of it and find a new publisher or rework it into something new.
 
Famassu said:
I'm having a hard time understanding how people don't understand that Kamiya's pedigree gives people faith that the quality of the final product would be some level of good/entertaining even if there were occasional boring parts like big heavily scripted boss fights + the fact that E3 presentations are really crappy way of judging any game's quality. Some games present really well at events like E3 (especially when presented with highly scripted sequences and when some publishers/devs show footage that is a bit prettied up/not representative of what they'll eventually be able to do with the final game), some games have a bit more boring showings for whatever reason. Often the presenters aren't the best players and a lot of games that require some level of skill to play look bad when someone sucky is playing them because they are constantly failing, which doesn't necessarily make for entertaining footage to watch.

Sometimes the PR department (who are usually in charge of things like these) do not make the best decisions as to what to show in such presentations. The big boss demo was a bit boring as presented on the stage, but who knows how fun it could be with some more aggressive, skillful play with the full combat system in place & usable?
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I'm pretty sure it wasn't PR that cancelled this game. I'm also pretty sure that MS gave Kamiya all the support he could have possibly recieved during this agreement. Remember, Platinum shelved this game twice and other publishers passed on this game. The man has earned his place for the benefit of the doubt category and after 3 years, for some reason MS pulled the plug. I don't get how people think that this was some sort of easy decision from MS. I have to imagine they spent millions on this thing with absolutely nothing to show for it. I can almost gurantee that there are people inside MS that are absolutely livid at this outcome.

Yea, who knows how fun it could be with more aggressive and skillful play and the full combet system in place. Perhaps they should have had that working after 3 years.
 
JesseEwiak said:
Hey, can I have some of your stuff you're not using for free? I mean, sure you own it, but you're just sitting on the rights to it.
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They did give the former lionhead devs the rights to make the fable card game didn't they? Or did they end up publishing that in the end.
 
wapplew said:
We've been there, remember IGN cancel The Last Guardian?
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Funnily enough, the thread about the TLG cancellation got almost 140 pages. The one in which IGN confirmed they were wrong? 10 pages. I guess some people were more interested in the game when it was dead, right?
 
Hawk269 said:
Then where was all this "Love" for the game prior to it being cancelled? You have to admit that a game having more interest now that it is dead than the entire time it was being worked on is telling. I am not saying that people of the studio/game itself are not upset, I am fan of the dev and was looking forward to the game..but the amount of MS hate flowing in this thread is telling and if there was this much interest in this game, why was there no talk of it very much?

Someone else made a post that it is just another thread for people to shit on MS about and that seems to bring out the haters regardless if they had interest in the game or not. Again, game is more popular now that it is dead than when it was alive and this thread is proof of that.
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A lot of people, myself included, were passively interested in the game--that is, we weren't necessarily excited by what we'd seen but we were open to the idea that it'd improve in later showings and we had faith that they'd pull it together in the end. If we weren't making noise it's because they weren't showing us what we wanted to see, not because we straight-up didn't care.
 
_Clash_ said:
The thing that shits me is that I know MS is going to sit on the rights to everything
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If you pay for something but aren't going to use it why are you gonna release it so a competitor can snatch it up and capitalize off your investment? Do you understamd how business works?
 
Hawk269 said:
Then where was all this "Love" for the game prior to it being cancelled? You have to admit that a game having more interest now that it is dead than the entire time it was being worked on is telling. I am not saying that people of the studio/game itself are not upset, I am fan of the dev and was looking forward to the game..but the amount of MS hate flowing in this thread is telling and if there was this much interest in this game, why was there no talk of it very much?

Someone else made a post that it is just another thread for people to shit on MS about and that seems to bring out the haters regardless if they had interest in the game or not. Again, game is more popular now that it is dead than when it was alive and this thread is proof of that.
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I don't know what you want. I've seen several other posts commenting on the fact that this is by far the biggest thread the game has had on GAF, but in reality, info has been sparse on the game. The main threads around the gameplay demos (Gamescom and E3) got a decent amount of attention.

FWIW, Scalebound was by far the highest voted XB1 exclusive in the "2017 Most Anticipated Game" thread.
 
NightShift said:
Serenade_King had a good idea over at the Nier Automata butt thread that if the game is successful and Platinum develops Drakengard 4, they can use a lot of the ideas they had from Scalebound. Drakengard does have the same basic concept of controlling a character with a dragon to help out in battles.
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Dear lord, that would be amazing. I've always loved the idea of the dragons in Drakengard more than I did actually playing them, though I know Taro and his team have never really had huge budgets to work with to iron out the issues.
 
Welp...I was actually looking forward to this one, and my cousin was gonna buy a XboxOne once this game came out since he loves action games and REALLY loves dragons.

Just.....why though?
 
_Clash_ said:
The thing that shits me is that I know MS is going to sit on the rights to everything
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Gotdatmoney said:
If you pay for something but aren't going to use it why are you gonna release it so a competitor can snatch it up and capitalize off your investment? Do you understamd how business works?
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I don't think either of these two statements are reflective of reality. First of all, MS doesn't necessarily shit on something they canned unreasonably if there is another publisher willing to pick up the slack, if circumstances are right. They dropped their plans to publish Infinite Undiscovery for example, despite funding most of it, but Square Enix was willing to pick it up and they ended up publishing it. That was a tri-Ace game.

The entertainment business isn't a zero sum game. Projects do move between studios and distributors, even troubled projects. The main question is whether any company in a position to fund the rest of development and to distribute it, is even interested in picking this up from Microsoft. If there isn't one, then there's nothing to be done. Platinum isn't a publisher and they lack the resources to pay for the development of something like this themselves.
 
Man that sucks, looked pretty good and one of the titles I was looking forward to. Man take away sea of thieves and do ms have any announced new ip in development?. They need to up there game the trinity of halo forza gears is getting tired and worn out, we need the ms of early 360 or even og Xbox where they were putting out new ip taking chances etc.
 
Adaren said:
When Bayo1 came out, word of mouth made the game sound like this:

BloodRayne_Videogame_Cover.jpg

"Did you hear about that action game with the naked chick? IGN gave it a 9.6!"

By the time the game had gone through the critical discourse and the sequel was coming out, people realized the game was more like this:

rupaul-3.jpg


It's a subtle distinction, but the former has potential mass-market appeal while the latter doesn't.

At least that's my take on it.
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I saw the drag race pic before I actually read your comment and holy shot. The accuracy. And now I want rupaul to replace Rodin in a hypothetical Bayo 3
 
Adaren said:
When Bayo1 came out, word of mouth made the game sound like this:

BloodRayne_Videogame_Cover.jpg

"Did you hear about that action game with the naked chick? IGN gave it a 9.6!"

By the time the game had gone through the critical discourse and the sequel was coming out, people realized the game was more like this:

rupaul-3.jpg


It's a subtle distinction, but the former has potential mass-market appeal while the latter doesn't.

At least that's my take on it.
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this made me laugh HARD hahahaha

but i agree
 
I'm genuinely surprised by how excited people are for Crackdown 3. I had no idea there was so much enthusiasm surrounding that game. To be clear, this isn't me saying it's going to suck—I just thought the first two were pretty okay.
 
chaosmaster(1) said:
So besides the usual suspects what are they even doing at e3? It seems like they'll have a paltry e3. They have to have some new big thing right.
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Um, i'm sure there will be a surprise or two, but E3 is a ways out and a lot of things can change. Personally, after what i've been hearing & today's cancellation of Scalebound, my interest in MS 1st party has basically evaporated.
 
duckroll said:
I don't think either of these two statements are reflective of reality. First of all, MS doesn't necessarily shit on something they canned unreasonably if there is another publisher willing to pick up the slack, if circumstances are right. They dropped their plans to publish Infinite Undiscovery for example, despite funding most of it, but Square Enix was willing to pick it up and they ended up publishing it. That was a tri-Ace game.
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Didn't know this. Isn't tri-ace owned by Square?
 
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