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[Ninjimbo]

The thing with the first Superman is that Reeve is so fucking incredible, you don't notice how lame the rest of the movie is

MoS is the best Supes film, but that's a looooow bar

Nah, not even Reeves could save that movie from its overbearing cheesiness. I saw it last year for the first time and I could barely stomach the depictions of the characters. Clark is a bumbling fool. Lois is asking Superman if he has a girlfriend in the first ever interview. Luthor is living underground and has weirdo side kicks. Krypton is apparently made of glass.

The whole movie felt like bizarro world to me. I couldn't believe anyone would have preferred that to MoS. I don't want to sound overly harsh on the movie though because the movie is about to be like 40 years old. It was a different time.

About the only good thing I drew from the movie was an understanding of why MoS got shit on the way it did. Superman is a textbook Boy Scout in Superman 1 and if that was the only exposure people got of the character over the last 30 years, I can understand why MoS rattled them. Two totally different movies. They might as well exist on opposite ends of the cinematic spectrum.

Just for me tho, MoS is far far superior. Compare the Krypton sequences for a good laugh. We've come a long way.

 

[Cerium]

A breath of fresh air, thank you.

That post literally proposes a Rottentomatoes conspiracy against shitty DC films.

 

[Bleepey]

Nah, not even Reeves could save that movie from its overbearing cheesiness. I saw it last year for the first time and I could barely stomach the depictions of the characters. Clark is a bumbling fool. Lois is asking Superman if he has a girlfriend in the first ever interview. Luthor is living underground and has weirdo side kicks. Krypton is apparently made of glass.

The whole movie felt like bizarro world to me. I couldn't believe anyone would have preferred that to MoS. I don't want to sound overly harsh on the movie though because the movie is about to be like 40 years old. It was a different time.

About the only good thing I drew from the movie was an understanding of why MoS got shit on the way it did. Superman is a textbook Boy Scout in Superman 1 and if that was the only exposure people got of the character over the last 30 years, I can understand why MoS rattled them. Two totally different movies. They might as well exist on opposite ends of the cinematic spectrum.

Just for me tho, MoS is far far superior. Compare the Krypton sequences for a good laugh. We've come a long way.

Listen to the Kevin Smith episode on MOS. It was good radio where a Superman 1 fan lambasted Snyder for taking it too seriously whilst Kevin Smith defended it.

Ralph: how come Lois knows his secret identity?
Kevin: cos if a prize winning reporter couldn't deduce he was Superman she'd be a fucking idiot
Ralph: Superman kills!
Kevin: yeah but he killed in Superman 2 don't forget
Ralph: Jonathan Kent was so cynical
Kevin: I loved that, cos this Jonathan kent's cynicism makes sense in a world where he'd be at best a lab rat, probably feared and maybe even a weapon.

 

[Strangelove77]

Suicide Squad is supposed to be a fun little side project in the vain of Marvel movies. it's not meant to be taken seriously. you watch it once, laugh a few times and forget about it. the theater i was in loved it. and i gotta admit it was infectious and i loved it too. i noticed a lot of problems on my second viewing but it did what it set out to do. Make a funny, action packed blockbuster and they succeeded.

What ended up happening is that all the critics and fans decided to treat this like a fucking oscar contender and absolutely ravaged it. we care about editing and narrative flow in our comic book movies now? we care about villains in our movies now? where was this outrage where iron man 2 and thor 2 ended up in the 70s on rotten tomatoes? even Star Wars Episode 3 is in the 70s. and that movie is fucking trash.

there is this double standard that seems to be hitting DC movies. it started with Man of Steel which was a perfectly fine comic book movie. it sat at a 56% of rotten tomatoes and the internet was brutal with its memes and treating it like a piece of shit movie while completely ignoring problems with how formulaic and forgettable marvel movies had become. i didnt care because i still had a few laughs and liked the visuals in marvel movies, but now i am like why am i giving these movies a break when others arent willing to do with D.C movies?

In no universe, do BvS and SS belong in the 20s. I dont care how rottentomatoes measures their reviews but that is simply absurd. i refuse to believe that over 70% of the critics thought they were rotten and over 70% of the same critics thought IM2,IM3, Thor 2 were fresh.

I'm almost sure that you got a nosebleed while typing this.

 

[G-Fex]

I'd watch a og tmnt movie any day over any Batman.

 

[Professor Beef]

I'd watch a og tmnt movie any day over any Batman.

Bale's Batman? I agree.

 

[Ninjimbo]

Listen to the Kevin Smith episode on MOS. It was good radio where a Superman 1 fan lambasted Snyder for taking it too seriously whilst Kevin Smith defended it.

Ralph: how come Lois knows his secret identity?
Kevin: cos if a prize winning reporter couldn't deduce he was Superman she'd be a fucking idiot
Ralph: Superman kills!
Kevin: yeah but he killed in Superman 2 don't forget
Ralph: Jonathan Kent was so cynical
Kevin: I loved that, cos this Jonathan kent's cynicism makes sense in a world where he'd be at best a lab rat, probably feared and maybe even a weapon.

That actually might be worth listening to lol.

 

[Gordon Shumway]

Nah, not even Reeves could save that movie from its overbearing cheesiness. I saw it last year for the first time and I could barely stomach the depictions of the characters.

Oh. Ok.

That post literally proposes a Rottentomatoes conspiracy against shitty DC films.

That's where we're at now tho..

 

[G-Fex]

Bale's Batman? I agree.

Me too.

But wait Nolan's batman is so deep and so many good quotes too.

 

[PhantomX1313]

Get ready for super suicide squad
https://mobile.twitter.com/DavidAyerMovies/status/822948443110842369?p=v

 

[kiguel182]

"Do we care about editing now?"

I mean, yes? Just because it's based on a comic book it shouldn't have terrible editing. A movie needs to be well edited to be good.

Thor 2 is a boring ass movie but it doesn't have terrible editing at least.

 

[PhantomX1313]

Holy smokes Black Suit confirmed

https://mobile.twitter.com/LaFortalezaSole/status/822420311735959552/photo/1

 

[LakeEarth]

I love how the shot is blurry, like the picture was at a guarded facility and had to be taken in secret.

Rule of thumb, if a leaked picture is blurry, it's to hide the fact that it's a shop.

 

[IonicSnake]

I thought the black suit was without a cape. Looks fake though.

 

[Ignatz Mouse]

If that scene was played a different way, I would agree with you. But Batman doesn't have a realization that Superman has a mother. Batman just gets a traumatic episode triggered by "Martha" and then he is buddy-buddy with Superman. It's missing a key moment and fails, so we end up with Batman's safe word being Martha.

The scene made perfect sense to me as he described it.

I have a lot of issues with the movie, but the plot stuff people complain about almost all made sense to me.

Really, all of the character motivations and turns all worked for me, without having the extended scenes. My issues were with the choices they made for the characters, and MY GOD the pacing and too much stuff crammed into it.

When people complain about weird plot details that "don't make sense" I see where the complaints about intelligence or not paying attention come in. But I think it's more likely that anything can be nitpicked but generally a movie has our goodwill and we connect the dots for ourselves or forgive small things. If the movie doesn't have that goodwill, all that stuff stands out.

That's also why people who are favorably disposed will compare this to movies like Civil War or Ant Man, which have plot or consistentcy issues but can be overlooked because the movie is more enjoyable otherwise.

Tl/dr - most movies have issues but because they are more engaging, we overlook them.

 

[Ignatz Mouse]

A "proper" DC fanboy would probably be more concerned about how their beloved characters are being portrayed and the stories being told in this big blockbusters. They would be concerned about how the DCEU deviates from the identity and core of these superheroes, but apparently these new fanboys are more concerned about how cool some action scenes look and the kick ass soundtrack so they take WB's direction as the right one when it comes to superheroes movies.

This is me, but having a discussion about pros and cons of the DCEU is pretty damned difficult when people go to the extremes in both directions.

 

[Timu]

As a Superman film Returns is vastly superior to MoS, it's just boring as all hell.

Returns wasn't that great though as a Superman movie it did well in that area.

That post literally proposes a Rottentomatoes conspiracy against shitty DC films.

Ha, ha, yeah, and I love the Iron Man 3 hate, honestly it deserves fresh despite some flaws.

I'd watch a og tmnt movie any day over any Batman.

For me I would take them over Batman and Robin.

 

[Slayven]

If you are wondering why he is packing heat it is because he is fresh from resurrection and his powers haven't come back. Also why his suit is black, cause black absorbs the most light

 

[neojubei]

Man of Steel is the best Superman movie so that isn't a surprise

Man of Steel isnt even better than superman returns

I'm sure it's already been said, but they're gonna have to Flashpoint reboot the DCU.

hopefully so. The TV Flash should fix the DCEU

 

[Ignatz Mouse]

If you are wondering why he is packing heat it is because he is fresh from resurrection and his powers haven't come back. Also why his suit is black, cause black absorbs the most light

My God, 90s comics...

 

[Ignatz Mouse]

People liking Superman Returns amazes me. That movies was pretty savaged by comics fans when it came out. But I guess the consequences of a super kid don't matter as much when there's no franchise.

 

[Tatsumaki Senpuukyaku!]

Nah, not even Reeves could save that movie from its overbearing cheesiness. I saw it last year for the first time and I could barely stomach the depictions of the characters. Clark is a bumbling fool. Lois is asking Superman if he has a girlfriend in the first ever interview. Luthor is living underground and has weirdo side kicks. Krypton is apparently made of glass.

The whole movie felt like bizarro world to me. I couldn't believe anyone would have preferred that to MoS. I don't want to sound overly harsh on the movie though because the movie is about to be like 40 years old. It was a different time.

About the only good thing I drew from the movie was an understanding of why MoS gotlast shit on the way it did. Superman is a textbook Boy Scout in Superman 1 and if that was the only exposure people got of the character over the last 30 years, I can understand why MoS rattled them. Two totally different movies. They might as well exist on opposite ends of the cinematic spectrum.

Just for me tho, MoS is far far superior. Compare the Krypton sequences for a good laugh. We've come a long way.

You got it backwards dude. Superman 78 was just showing superman in a way consistent with how he's always been. If MOS was your primary exposure to Superman then I could see how this would confuse you.

 

[Bleepey]

That actually might be worth listening to lol.

https://soundcloud.com/fatmanonbatman/40-man-of-steel-super

Check it out

 

[jblank83]

Suicide Squad is supposed to be a fun little side project in the vain of Marvel movies. it's not meant to be taken seriously. you watch it once, laugh a few times and forget about it. the theater i was in loved it. and i gotta admit it was infectious and i loved it too. i noticed a lot of problems on my second viewing but it did what it set out to do. Make a funny, action packed blockbuster and they succeeded.

"It's just a popcorn movie; it doesn't have to be good," isn't a very compelling argument.

 

[FunkyPajamas]

My God, 90s comics...

Or, you know, comics.

 

[IconGrist]

Holy smokes Black Suit confirmed

https://mobile.twitter.com/LaFortalezaSole/status/822420311735959552/photo/1

It's a Man of Steel figure colored black with Cavill's head shopped on.

 

[shingi70]

If you are wondering why he is packing heat it is because he is fresh from resurrection and his powers haven't come back. Also why his suit is black, cause black absorbs the most light

That Superboy line. Outside of having a dope outfit I'm glad he got a mini reboot when he joined the Titans.

 

[Exploratory]

Suicide Squad is supposed to be a fun little side project in the vain of Marvel movies. it's not meant to be taken seriously. you watch it once, laugh a few times and forget about it. the theater i was in loved it. and i gotta admit it was infectious and i loved it too. i noticed a lot of problems on my second viewing but it did what it set out to do. Make a funny, action packed blockbuster and they succeeded.

What ended up happening is that all the critics and fans decided to treat this like a fucking oscar contender and absolutely ravaged it. we care about editing and narrative flow in our comic book movies now? we care about villains in our movies now? where was this outrage where iron man 2 and thor 2 ended up in the 70s on rotten tomatoes? even Star Wars Episode 3 is in the 70s. and that movie is fucking trash.

there is this double standard that seems to be hitting DC movies. it started with Man of Steel which was a perfectly fine comic book movie. it sat at a 56% of rotten tomatoes and the internet was brutal with its memes and treating it like a piece of shit movie while completely ignoring problems with how formulaic and forgettable marvel movies had become. i didnt care because i still had a few laughs and liked the visuals in marvel movies, but now i am like why am i giving these movies a break when others arent willing to do with D.C movies?

In no universe, do BvS and SS belong in the 20s. I dont care how rottentomatoes measures their reviews but that is simply absurd. i refuse to believe that over 70% of the critics thought they were rotten and over 70% of the same critics thought IM2,IM3, Thor 2 were fresh.

BvS is the second to worst film I've seen in a 20 year period. Suicide Squad is the third worst. So yes those 20s are completely justified.

 

[Slayven]

That Superboy line. Outside of having a dope outfit I'm glad he got a mini reboot when he joined the Titans.

They ruined a great character.

 

[Imbarkus]

A breath of fresh air, thank you.

That post literally proposes a Rottentomatoes conspiracy against shitty DC films.

This is me, but having a discussion about pros and cons of the DCEU is pretty damned difficult when people go to the extremes in both directions.

I think the true conspiracy is that mass communication over faceless media tends to polarize people and divide them into camps.

The only real cure is to deprecate your own critical and moral certitude and accept the fact that different people want and enjoy different things. That merely accomplishes a baseline of not being an insulting jerk in characterizing and responding to the opinions of others.

Eventually you begin experimenting with listening to people for reasons other than searching for opportunities for counter-argument, and subsequently even daring to try to understand where someone is coming from.

It's much easier for everyone, face to face. Online it seems to come less naturally.

 

[autumnleaf]

Nah, not even Reeves could save that movie from its overbearing cheesiness. I saw it last year for the first time and I could barely stomach the depictions of the characters. Clark is a bumbling fool. Lois is asking Superman if he has a girlfriend in the first ever interview. Luthor is living underground and has weirdo side kicks. Krypton is apparently made of glass.

The whole movie felt like bizarro world to me. I couldn't believe anyone would have preferred that to MoS. I don't want to sound overly harsh on the movie though because the movie is about to be like 40 years old. It was a different time.

About the only good thing I drew from the movie was an understanding of why MoS got shit on the way it did. Superman is a textbook Boy Scout in Superman 1 and if that was the only exposure people got of the character over the last 30 years, I can understand why MoS rattled them. Two totally different movies. They might as well exist on opposite ends of the cinematic spectrum.

Just for me tho, MoS is far far superior. Compare the Krypton sequences for a good laugh. We've come a long way.

The film is cheesy and a lot of it is dated but Superman's first appearance where he saves Lois and the helicopter is untouchable. It's the best scene featuring Superman put on film.

 

[breadtruck]

Suicide Squad is supposed to be a fun little side project in the vain of Marvel movies. it's not meant to be taken seriously. you watch it once, laugh a few times and forget about it. the theater i was in loved it. and i gotta admit it was infectious and i loved it too. i noticed a lot of problems on my second viewing but it did what it set out to do. Make a funny, action packed blockbuster and they succeeded.

What ended up happening is that all the critics and fans decided to treat this like a fucking oscar contender and absolutely ravaged it. we care about editing and narrative flow in our comic book movies now? we care about villains in our movies now? where was this outrage where iron man 2 and thor 2 ended up in the 70s on rotten tomatoes? even Star Wars Episode 3 is in the 70s. and that movie is fucking trash.

there is this double standard that seems to be hitting DC movies. it started with Man of Steel which was a perfectly fine comic book movie. it sat at a 56% of rotten tomatoes and the internet was brutal with its memes and treating it like a piece of shit movie while completely ignoring problems with how formulaic and forgettable marvel movies had become. i didnt care because i still had a few laughs and liked the visuals in marvel movies, but now i am like why am i giving these movies a break when others arent willing to do with D.C movies?

In no universe, do BvS and SS belong in the 20s. I dont care how rottentomatoes measures their reviews but that is simply absurd. i refuse to believe that over 70% of the critics thought they were rotten and over 70% of the same critics thought IM2,IM3, Thor 2 were fresh.

100% agree.

This is why I dont bother with reviews or neogaf's "opinions" if there is something I wish to see. All it does is make me miss out on something I would have likely enjoyed otherwise.

 

[hidys]

Holy smokes Black Suit confirmed

https://mobile.twitter.com/LaFortalezaSole/status/822420311735959552/photo/1

No mullet.

I'm disappointed.

 

[Litan]

BvS is the second to worst film I've seen in a 20 year period. Suicide Squad is the third worst. So yes those 20s are completely justified.

I'm curious, what's the worst?

 

[santi_yo]

What is this thread about? Not Wonder Woman, that's for sure.

 

[Adam_Vania]

In no universe, do BvS and SS belong in the 20s.

Suicide Squad was more or less a bunch of trailers edited into a full length movie, including repeating footage. what wasn't flashy trailer bait was dark, muddy, and dull. speaking from a visual perspective about 20% of the film is enjoyable.

BvS is just the stupidest movie i have ever seen. no character motivations make sense. things happen in an order and we are supposed to accept it. the movie desperately takes itself seriously yet resides in a flimsy facade of reality.

on top of all that the titular fight lasts all of 10 minutes. we spend as much time watching Eisenberg performing 20 year old Jim Carrey routines.

 

[Dick Justice]

Suicide Squad is supposed to be a fun little side project in the vain of Marvel movies. it's not meant to be taken seriously. you watch it once, laugh a few times and forget about it. the theater i was in loved it. and i gotta admit it was infectious and i loved it too. i noticed a lot of problems on my second viewing but it did what it set out to do. Make a funny, action packed blockbuster and they succeeded.

What ended up happening is that all the critics and fans decided to treat this like a fucking oscar contender and absolutely ravaged it. we care about editing and narrative flow in our comic book movies now? we care about villains in our movies now? where was this outrage where iron man 2 and thor 2 ended up in the 70s on rotten tomatoes? even Star Wars Episode 3 is in the 70s. and that movie is fucking trash.

there is this double standard that seems to be hitting DC movies. it started with Man of Steel which was a perfectly fine comic book movie. it sat at a 56% of rotten tomatoes and the internet was brutal with its memes and treating it like a piece of shit movie while completely ignoring problems with how formulaic and forgettable marvel movies had become. i didnt care because i still had a few laughs and liked the visuals in marvel movies, but now i am like why am i giving these movies a break when others arent willing to do with D.C movies?

In no universe, do BvS and SS belong in the 20s. I dont care how rottentomatoes measures their reviews but that is simply absurd. i refuse to believe that over 70% of the critics thought they were rotten and over 70% of the same critics thought IM2,IM3, Thor 2 were fresh.

"Stop having standards, guys! What about Marvel?!"

 

[G-Fex]

What is this thread about? Not Wonder Woman, that's for sure.

sad times

every comic book movie thread is troubling.

 

[Adam_Vania]

sad times

every comic book movie thread is troubling.

we just dealing w the backlash to the backlash to a movie that isn't out yet

 

[this_guy]

I watched most Marvel movies in theatres, and watched both BvS and Suicide Squad in theatres. I enjoyed most Marvel movies, but that didn't mean I went into BvS and Suicide Squad hoping both would suck. Despite reviews I was hoping I would still enjoy them. People don't pay to go and watch a movie hoping it sucks.

There's no conspiracy.

 

[y2dvd]

I watched most Marvel movies in theatres, and watched both BvS and Suicide Squad in theatres. I enjoyed most Marvel movies, but that didn't mean I went into BvS and Suicide Squad hoping both would suck. Despite reviews I was hoping I would still enjoy them. People don't pay to go and watch a movie hoping it sucks.

There's no conspiracy.

You paid shill! /s

 

[this_guy]

You paid shill! /s

Why else would I watch all those movies???

 

[Beefy]

"Stop having standards, guys! What about Marvel?!"

Or "stop having a different opinion then mine"

 

[Flui111]

Suicide Squad is supposed to be a fun little side project in the vain of Marvel movies. it's not meant to be taken seriously. you watch it once, laugh a few times and forget about it. the theater i was in loved it. and i gotta admit it was infectious and i loved it too. i noticed a lot of problems on my second viewing but it did what it set out to do. Make a funny, action packed blockbuster and they succeeded.

What ended up happening is that all the critics and fans decided to treat this like a fucking oscar contender and absolutely ravaged it. we care about editing and narrative flow in our comic book movies now? we care about villains in our movies now? where was this outrage where iron man 2 and thor 2 ended up in the 70s on rotten tomatoes? even Star Wars Episode 3 is in the 70s. and that movie is fucking trash.

there is this double standard that seems to be hitting DC movies. it started with Man of Steel which was a perfectly fine comic book movie. it sat at a 56% of rotten tomatoes and the internet was brutal with its memes and treating it like a piece of shit movie while completely ignoring problems with how formulaic and forgettable marvel movies had become. i didnt care because i still had a few laughs and liked the visuals in marvel movies, but now i am like why am i giving these movies a break when others arent willing to do with D.C movies?

In no universe, do BvS and SS belong in the 20s. I dont care how rottentomatoes measures their reviews but that is simply absurd. i refuse to believe that over 70% of the critics thought they were rotten and over 70% of the same critics thought IM2,IM3, Thor 2 were fresh.

Lmao wut, nothing about SS is funny or infectious. They set it up for a semi serious mood so it got graded on that semi serious mood

 

[MechDX]

Why else would I watch all those movies???

McNuggets?

 

[kurahador]

Or "stop having a sifferent opinion then mine"

"SS isn't made to be Oscar worthy. So the rating should count from backwards!!"

 

[SpaceWolf]

Holy smokes Black Suit confirmed

https://mobile.twitter.com/LaFortalezaSole/status/822420311735959552/photo/1

"I saw an awkward photoshop on the internet! It must be a confirmation!"

Come on, dude...

 

[Garlador]

Holy smokes Black Suit confirmed

https://mobile.twitter.com/LaFortalezaSole/status/822420311735959552/photo/1

But will he fight a giant spider?

 

[Eppy Thatcher]

Lol SS was supposed to be fun and not good - like the marvel movies?

Nice try at that below the belt underhanded jab there except for the fact that any marvel movie is leagues better than SS. BvS you could perhaps argue had enough to it that you enjoyed it more than what...Thor2? Ant Man? ...maybe..

But suicide squad is unmitigated insulting shit.

And yes. We've always cared about editing. Like what the fuck is that comment supposed to even mean? Just because SS looks like it was edited by an epileptic toddler and gets called out for it doesn't mean we are being unusually harsh on it. It just means it looks and flows and reads like absolute shit.

 

[this_guy]

McNuggets?

Yeah