TickleMeElbow
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I play on PC occasionally, but I do so much work and school stuff on my PC, that I just want to gtf away from it when I play games. My PC can run most games decently too.
For those who refuse to game on a PC, what holds you back?
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Lord of Ostia
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Well, I prefer handhelds in general and Japanese games, so there aren't many games that interest me outside of handhelds and my consoles. I do use my old laptop and my Surface to play games occasionally, usually indie titles and older Japanese games, but nothing I would ever need a powerful PC for. It's rare that there is a game I'm interested in and need a better PC for, the last game like that was Pillars of Eternity but my laptop can run it ok on the lowest settings.
Battlesmurf
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This.
The back catalog is amazing as well.
I see people say "I don't care about graphics", but in some of the PC games the difference is more than just graphics. Higher FPS=smoother controls. Modding (look at the legs on Doom1/2). Bigger player counts. MP getting patched in (San Andres, that game that escapes me with the grappling hook and neat physics engine).
From a money standpoint- if you spend say- $1000 on a good PC setup, I'd wager in games and playability- you'll get more from it that an equivalent console setup.
I love my consoles and I play TitanFall 2,Gears 4, Battlefield 1 pretty often on them. BF1 Xbox vs PC is quite a huge difference on how it runs, a bit on how it looks, and it just *feels* smoother, but more of my friends have it on XB at the moment.
I think if I had to pick just one- it'd be an incredibly tough decision, but I think many of the people dismissing PC stuff is too high for what kinds of neat things are offered there. Not to mention the ease of playing Overwatch and doing Facebook at the same time haha.
I hope this doesn't sound too fanboyish, not my intention and I do think consoles have their place for sure.
EventHorizon, don't take this in a wrong way. And I'm well aware that these aren't the same things. But you are really starting to sound like someone who thinks that living room is a holy matrimony between TV and a console. And that having a PC in there just isn't normal so it shouldn't be done. Just because people you know don't do it, doesn't mean it's not a valid option to do. It not being typical to you isn't a restriction of the platform.
Marty Chinn
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I live in the US too but I'm going to bow out on this aspect of the discussion since it's always a sensitive subject and already people are bringing up being shamed. It's a tricky one to discuss because people live in different states, live in places with drastically differences in cost of living, have different upbringings, have different circumstances, maybe have kids that need to be taken care of, have different financial situations and having to disclose all that is probably not a good idea but the only way to get a fair way to do any type of comparison.
So it's hard to discuss without details and I don't think anyone should have to disclose their details. Sorry for your loss and I can understand how that can change one's perspective, and while this could be an interesting discussion, I think I'll play it safe and just end it before it gets out of hand and it gets way too off topic. The last thing I want someone to do is think I'm trying to talk down on them about their financial situation or choices. It just struck me that it sounded like, "hey I live almost paycheck to paycheck and I can afford it, that's not an excuse to say it's expensive" and that caught my eye as something I disagreed with because people who aren't living paycheck to paycheck might still have a good reason to explain why it's not a financially good choice for them to put their money into, especially if they have gaming through another means.
My only PC is a laptop that is mostly used for work. I have steam on it of course but with my hardware most of the games look better on my consoles.
I don't want to spend the cash/or desk space for a second PC to be used for gaming.
Also Sony and Nintendo exclusives are some of my favorite games.
I don't want to spend the cash/or desk space for a second PC to be used for gaming.
Also Sony and Nintendo exclusives are some of my favorite games.
No offense taken! And you're right, my experience and quality of life isn't reflective of the whole world, that would be a silly approach.
I think bottom line, nobody can argue that PC gaming has an expensive point of entry. If you want to invest in that ecosystem you can probably do it eventually is all I'm saying.
If you're broke and already own an xbox or a playstation? You aren't missing much on the PC end as far as games go imo, but it's there if you want, and if gaming is your main hobby, it might make sense for you to check it out at some point in your life.
I'd say expense of entry and general ease of use are the only arguments you could make against PC gaming, exclusive too maybe, depends on your tastes! In an ideal world, you should own a ps4 and a PC and an xbox and a switch if you really want to get everything.
These arguments all make sense.
To say that using your pc in the living room is "hogging the tv" and you "need two tvs now! lol" and that a ps4 isn't doing both of those things is utter nonsense however, for wherever that guy is.
George Washington
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The operating system. I want one dedicated for gaming (I know Steam OS but it's still lacking compatibility with a lot of games).
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I used to avoid PC gaming because I preferred to go 100% physical with my games. I still have about a dozen consoles hooked up to my entertainment center, dating back to the NES.
With modern DLC and release-first, patch-later practices, though, I'd rather game on PC because I expect it to be easier to get around the pitfalls when online content and servers eventually get taken down.
EDIT: Honestly, I think modern consoles are taking on more and more disadvantages that were traditionally associated with PC gaming (broken games on release, OS bloating up everything and getting in the way of that "just turn it on and play" appeal) but without also having the advantages that an open platform provides. It's switched up my priorities quite a bit as a result.
With modern DLC and release-first, patch-later practices, though, I'd rather game on PC because I expect it to be easier to get around the pitfalls when online content and servers eventually get taken down.
EDIT: Honestly, I think modern consoles are taking on more and more disadvantages that were traditionally associated with PC gaming (broken games on release, OS bloating up everything and getting in the way of that "just turn it on and play" appeal) but without also having the advantages that an open platform provides. It's switched up my priorities quite a bit as a result.
Besides being valid, it's actually pretty amazing.
I'm currently very excited for my gf to get home from work so we can play overwatch together, in our living room, on our keyboards and mice, from our couch. And once we get our fill, I'm two button presses away from snuggles and netflix. It's very nice!
edit: and once she goes to bed, RE7 will be unlocked on steam! Get to turn off the lights, put my headphones on and experience a brand new Resident Evil in 4k HDR!
I gotta admit that right now, installing games and rest mode are two nice advantages the current consoles have over PC.
As soon as I have a PS4 disc in my hands I can just slide it into the console and it automatically takes care of everything else: installation, patching, etc. I guess it's not that big a deal on PC if you just buy digital like most people, but I still have kinda shitty internet so I still buy physical PC games semi-often, and the process of installing them has barely advanced since the early days of Steam. What few AAA games get physical PC releases these days come on six DVDs because Blu-Ray ROM never caught on, and you gotta put in each one individually after you've clicked a bunch of buttons and typed in a CD key. The only advantage is that the CD key is basically also a digital key, so you're really getting a physical disc and a download at the same time.
And rest mode is something I really wish I could do on PC. Hell, PCs still don't have a really easy, reliable method for a remote cold boot (that I know of). I still gotta walk up to the PC to turn it on, and the closest thing to rest mode is hibernation or sleep mode which can't handle processes like downloading things on Steam which just fully wakes the computer up. Most people probably just let their PCs run though. Maybe I just have a problem with it because my chasis has a god damn blue LED light that keeps me up at night.
That being said, going from a cold boot to playing a game, Windows 10 installed on an SSD is probably almost as fast or just as fast as a PS4. It's just that neither is at the holy grail of either waking up your iPhone and tapping on an app, or slamming a cartridge into an old school console and hitting the power button.
As soon as I have a PS4 disc in my hands I can just slide it into the console and it automatically takes care of everything else: installation, patching, etc. I guess it's not that big a deal on PC if you just buy digital like most people, but I still have kinda shitty internet so I still buy physical PC games semi-often, and the process of installing them has barely advanced since the early days of Steam. What few AAA games get physical PC releases these days come on six DVDs because Blu-Ray ROM never caught on, and you gotta put in each one individually after you've clicked a bunch of buttons and typed in a CD key. The only advantage is that the CD key is basically also a digital key, so you're really getting a physical disc and a download at the same time.
And rest mode is something I really wish I could do on PC. Hell, PCs still don't have a really easy, reliable method for a remote cold boot (that I know of). I still gotta walk up to the PC to turn it on, and the closest thing to rest mode is hibernation or sleep mode which can't handle processes like downloading things on Steam which just fully wakes the computer up. Most people probably just let their PCs run though. Maybe I just have a problem with it because my chasis has a god damn blue LED light that keeps me up at night.
That being said, going from a cold boot to playing a game, Windows 10 installed on an SSD is probably almost as fast or just as fast as a PS4. It's just that neither is at the holy grail of either waking up your iPhone and tapping on an app, or slamming a cartridge into an old school console and hitting the power button.
digita1alchemy
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Because:
-I like playing on my TV and don't have a good way to connect my PC to my television.
-I play mostly Japanese games, and while PC ports are increasing, many of those games still aren't on PC.
-I prefer to play with a controller. I know that I can play most PC games with a controller, but 2 of my most played games are Battlefield 1 and Overwatch and I am not about to play against keyboard and mouse players with a controller.
I do play some games on PC where it makes sense to me. An example would be some PS3/360 gen games where the 1080p/60ps PC version is a monumental upgrade over the console versions (Dragons Dogma, Dark Souls)
-I like playing on my TV and don't have a good way to connect my PC to my television.
-I play mostly Japanese games, and while PC ports are increasing, many of those games still aren't on PC.
-I prefer to play with a controller. I know that I can play most PC games with a controller, but 2 of my most played games are Battlefield 1 and Overwatch and I am not about to play against keyboard and mouse players with a controller.
I do play some games on PC where it makes sense to me. An example would be some PS3/360 gen games where the 1080p/60ps PC version is a monumental upgrade over the console versions (Dragons Dogma, Dark Souls)
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you know it's kind of incredible how I'm expected to acknowledge and celebrate all of the most mundane advantages that consoles have over PCs. while the sheer versatility of PC as a platform is spun to its disadvantage in every single one of these threads, and its advantages as a platform reduced to 'mods and graphics'. yawn
yeah, strange how people who try to trivialize PC gaming never mention the almost infinite backwards compatibility of the system. Like right now I could play KOTOR or Condemned or Okami or Mario Galaxy in 4k, and at the stroke of midnight hit a few buttons and be playing Resident Evil 7.
Shadowhaxor
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Did you literally just say that? Really? How damned simple is it to go to Steam or Origin or GOG, buy the game and install it? Updates? They auto download if you select the option.
As for rest mode, I don't see that as an advantage as it just raises my energy bill. If I wanted to do that, I'd just leave my PC on.
Man, now that I'm thinking about it, the emulation and old games aspect doesn't get brought up enough.
Like, my TV doesn't even have composite inputs. I could purchase a composite to HDMI adapter I guess, and play games that look terrible.
OR, I could boot up PCSX2 and pop a PS2 disk into my PC and play at 4k.
Tough choice.
Like, my TV doesn't even have composite inputs. I could purchase a composite to HDMI adapter I guess, and play games that look terrible.
OR, I could boot up PCSX2 and pop a PS2 disk into my PC and play at 4k.
Tough choice.
ClintonBowman
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I'm not familiar with it really, so is rest in anyway comparable to sleep on a PC?
Well for people with really shitty internet it is a good point. For them to even download stuff they probably need to utilize downloading while in rest mode.
I am fortunate enough to live in a country with cheap affordable internet. The most I do is if I don't want to want 20 minutes to download a game of today's size is tell my PC to shutdown on its own by X amount of seconds.
I have a friend whose internet sucks and can understand the pain.
It isn't the same. Downloading keeps the PC awake.
Just use CMD to do a scheduled shutdown that only lasts til it shuts down. You can tell it when to shut down with some light math.
Not really, but if you have an SSD you can boot your PC and be playing a game almost as quickly as it takes a ps4 to boot from rest mode.
Download speed are another point. I have great internet, just downloaded all of RE7 in about an hour and a half. On my ps4, that download would take at least 4 hours.
My Main console is the Vita.
- I dont care about graphics
- I dont care about framerate
- I dont care about resolution
- I dont want to deal with the hassle of finding a gaming PC
- I dont like buying a game and then having to fuck around in a hundred different settings because the game is glitching and freezing and I dont know what the fuck Im doing.
- I dont care about graphics
- I dont care about framerate
- I dont care about resolution
- I dont want to deal with the hassle of finding a gaming PC
- I dont like buying a game and then having to fuck around in a hundred different settings because the game is glitching and freezing and I dont know what the fuck Im doing.
Shadowhaxor
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No. Rest on the PS4, for example, just puts the console in a low power consumption mode. It's like hibernation on the PC. The nice thing about it is that if you download a game from your browser, your PS4 will download it. Xbox does this as well.
On the PC, you have Sleep or Hibernation. Sleep is similar to the rest mode but will not let you do anything. Everything you've had open has been saved via the PC's ram. Therefore, when it comes out of sleep it's typically seconds. Hibernation is similar, except everything is saved to the hard drive and takes longer when it comes back on.
I do wish PC's could do that. It's not that it can't, since LAN Wakeup has been around forever. But the service built around it would need to support it.
You're first 4 points are valid.
But I've never once had to fuck around with a hundred different settings, and have never had a game "glitching and freezing" on my PC. If anything, I once had to run Metal Gear Rising in borderless windowed mode to get it to run at 60fps, but that was far from a headache.
Lucky you. Even on low spec stuff games seem to fuck up for no apparent reason for me on PC.
Need to trouble shoot then.
As my 6+ year old PC still plays new games with no issue what-so-ever. My wife's machine had a recent issue which was cause by keyboard layouts.
So it is kind of like life. Not everything is the same. Even with the same console to console, not exactly the same.
I wanted to play cave story.
Cannot play, it ever on my PC at least. for some reason my graphics card is a certain type of card that needs to be rolled back to a different version as the latest version isnt compatible with cave story in some sort of very rare bug...But I cant roll it back because for some reason that breaks my PC entirely and turns it into windows 95 mode.
Same thing happened with a few other smaller games. I can play a few of the souls games on my PC at 60FPS at the cost of the games looking like dog shit, when I can play it just fine on consoles.
I dont have to mess around with any settings, or overclocking, or FPS issues or any of that.
I just pop it in and play.
Also I'd rather spend money on a sure thing than buy whatever parts I need to build a gaming PC.
And that's the real beauty. The games are there, eternally. Come around to PC gaming 5 years from now, and all of the games you missed, or ones you want to experience in higher fidelity, will be waiting for you on Steam.
I dont want to.
I dont like fucking around with software, or hardware.
I just want to buy the game and play it, no questions asked.
Indeed! This was awesome for me. I missed most of last gen (didnt play games from 2007 to 2011. Early 20's, partying, college, playing in bands). Once I got my PC I realized it played all those games brilliantly, seriously some of these ps360 gen ports look better than ps4 games.
It's always weird shit that I have idea how to even begin to fix. Sonic Adventure 2 Battle with a fuck ton of screen tears, Doom having weird colors, Roller Coaster Tycoon crashing while trying to save. For a while as matter of fact, Sonic Adventure 2 Battle just refused to read my Xbox 360 controller. Went on for weeks, then suddenly controller works again. Shit like that is so aggravating.
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This entire post is nonsense, top to bottom. Worst troll post of 2017
privitsan02
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- Used to the console ecosystem and friends are there.
- Ease of use and don't have to go out of my way to fix games with patches or other fixes for drivers.
- I dislike desktops. Laptop gaming is cool but overheating was a big problem with my previous laptop. I've been accustomed to laptops since 2008 for school, leisure and then work, so going back to desktops just for gaming is pointless to me.
For me its less about refusing to play on a PC, but rather refusing to bother with a desktop PC. I don't mind playing games on my laptop at all, but obviously I don't want to stress it too much, thus I game on my PS4.
Best wishes.
- Ease of use and don't have to go out of my way to fix games with patches or other fixes for drivers.
- I dislike desktops. Laptop gaming is cool but overheating was a big problem with my previous laptop. I've been accustomed to laptops since 2008 for school, leisure and then work, so going back to desktops just for gaming is pointless to me.
For me its less about refusing to play on a PC, but rather refusing to bother with a desktop PC. I don't mind playing games on my laptop at all, but obviously I don't want to stress it too much, thus I game on my PS4.
Best wishes.
I'm on a PC all day and so I view the PC nowadays as work, even at home I'm an alt tab away from coding.
I don't want to have options. "You could ignore them", but I wouldn't. I like to tinker and when I'm doing that I'm not gaming. This includes hardware and software.
Consoles take away all thought. You pop a game in (and take a patch nowadays) and boom you're playing. Is it running good? Well its running as it is, nothing I can do. What resolution is it running at? Whatever they made it run at. Did you turn off...? Nope, can't. And that is awesome.
I don't want to have options. "You could ignore them", but I wouldn't. I like to tinker and when I'm doing that I'm not gaming. This includes hardware and software.
Consoles take away all thought. You pop a game in (and take a patch nowadays) and boom you're playing. Is it running good? Well its running as it is, nothing I can do. What resolution is it running at? Whatever they made it run at. Did you turn off...? Nope, can't. And that is awesome.
Chilled_Eskim01
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Out of curiosity for those saying that you have to "mess with settings" and updates and all that jazz, what do you say about games that release on consoles with bugs, glitches, that crash back to the home screen, that require work-arounds like disabling your friends list or going offline to function properly? That all still happens on consoles but no one seems to hold it against the platforms, which is odd in these types of discussions. People seems ok with having to wait for patches to go through cert with the big wigs at MS/Sony/Nintendo (which still need to be downloaded), but if you can simply download an updated driver on PC, that's too much?
Just seems that people are more willing to deal with those issues on consoles than on PC for whatever reason.
Just seems that people are more willing to deal with those issues on consoles than on PC for whatever reason.
Cave story has been on 3DS for the longest time....
And Dark Souls, and Wolfenstein The new order, and Resident Evil REmake and REZERO (whenever you put it on 60FPS mode the game slowdowns by 80%) And Dead Rising 3 screen tearing every two seconds and slowing down whenever you hit something, or DMC3, or Dragons Dogma sound sync issues, or GTAIV crashing everytime, or MAX PAYNE 3 losing audio and then freezing making me never be able to complete it. Or trackmania being a complete mess.
Totally understand this! That ease of use is even nice when I go from PC to my ps4 to play an exclusive. On PC youre always an alt tab away from a bunch of distractions lol.
When I'm playing ps4 though, and I get to "what frame rate is this" and it's sub 30 fps, it always makes me wish the game was available on PC (damn you bloodborne!)
Edit: also, pc gaf, play bloodborne somehow!
Crayon
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The whole point of a computer is that you have total control and you can make it into a great game machine. Then you can put your name on it and make sure it only plays software okay'd by you. And sell millions of them. Charge a subscription. Get hella rich.
Everybody happy. Thanks, computer science.
Everybody happy. Thanks, computer science.
Never had any problems really whatsoever, besides some save file issues but that happens very rarely for me on consoles.
Never really encountered as much game breaking issues than I have playing PC games before. But maybe that's just me because I dont know how computers work and dont want to learn.
mordecaii83
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I swear this exact thread pops up every month or so... Is it really so hard for PC gamers to just accept that some people don't want to game on PC?
And I'm saying this as someone who has built his own gaming PC's for 25 years (although I don't know if I can count a 386sx 12MHz based PC a "gaming" machine, but I played what I could!)...
And I'm saying this as someone who has built his own gaming PC's for 25 years (although I don't know if I can count a 386sx 12MHz based PC a "gaming" machine, but I played what I could!)...
Mr. Nice_Guy
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I will when I have the time to actually invest in it. As of now console gaming gives me more than enough, and the exclusives outweigh almost any pro the PC has, especially considering graphics fall on the bottom of my list of cares regarding a game.
Gah, Im glad you posted this as I couldn't put my finger on why I need to walk away and just sit with a console. Freelance all day on the same pc I game with.
I think it's less about accepting that PC isn't for everyone, and more about dispelling all of the silly myths about PC gaming.
I mean yeah we have this thread once a month, and we STILL have people coming in here saying they prefer console because they "don't want to be hunched over a tiny screen in their dark office while spending 15 hours downloading drivers and getting frustrated because all PC games crash and freeze every 2 minutes, and they like controllers better."
Edit: we literally had a dude in here saying I don't use my living room as a living room, and that I turned it into an office because I hooked a gaming PC up to my tv.
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