Same.
For those who refuse to game on a PC, what holds you back?
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MastaKilla
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Two things for me.. sports games and I don't know Jack Shit about technology
Buying console is simple enough. I just upgrade when a new generation comes out. I try looking up those build your own pc videos and my attention runs elsewhere. Love the easy plug in and play with Xbox and PlayStation.
Also everybody I know play on console. Big part of the reason. We all play casually too and consoles just seem fit that more than pc. To me at least.
scorpio coming soon
Also everybody I know play on console. Big part of the reason. We all play casually too and consoles just seem fit that more than pc. To me at least.
Yoshi
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- PC games seldom are available as full-on physcial copies without any online requirements, but any game that is not available always online without any form of registration is wirth exactly 0 cents for me
- PC games are not optimised to one specific set up, so if it can happen that I am out of luck and the game runs worse than expected on my machine or doesn't even run properly out of the box
- PC games are not necessarily optimised to one specific controller
- PCs run other programs than games, which are, in parts, not preventable and can influence performance or stability
- I don't want to deal with hardware or OS. Even booting up Windows before starting a game is too much. My Xboxes are all set to autostart the disc game and I dread the time I am forced to spend in the menu auf Wii U / Wii / 3DS.
- PC games are not optimised to one specific set up, so if it can happen that I am out of luck and the game runs worse than expected on my machine or doesn't even run properly out of the box
- PC games are not necessarily optimised to one specific controller
- PCs run other programs than games, which are, in parts, not preventable and can influence performance or stability
- I don't want to deal with hardware or OS. Even booting up Windows before starting a game is too much. My Xboxes are all set to autostart the disc game and I dread the time I am forced to spend in the menu auf Wii U / Wii / 3DS.
2blackcats
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Me too.
Tinker, tinker, tinker. Oh, shit it's 2 am and I've spent 4 hours getting this game running perfect on my system. Oh well maybe I'll get to play it tomorrow.
I have friends who play on PC and never go near the options except to invert the mouse or whatever. Unless something goes wrong.
Even with consoles, I'll be in the tv settings fucking around and don't get me started on surround sound.
RanoNL
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- The looks of a PC. I'm not putting ugly objects in my room. (The more fancy looking PC's have slow hardware for gaming).
- The need to update the hardware. I buy a PlayStation in 2014 and I can have fun with it for 5 years.
- Windows. I can't use it. I hate it.
- Gaming is a leisure activity for me. I don't want to game where I work all day.
- The need to update the hardware. I buy a PlayStation in 2014 and I can have fun with it for 5 years.
- Windows. I can't use it. I hate it.
- Gaming is a leisure activity for me. I don't want to game where I work all day.
LordRaptor
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The only actual difference is the marketing tbh.
Some people are of the mistaken belief that if a title is a console exclusive it inherently holds some sort of guarantee of quality
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Uhhhhh... a case is just that; a case. Outside of things like Shuttle semi-prebuilts, there is no hardware inside.
Marty Chinn
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But PC gaming is so easy!
SciencePilot
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Because I don't have a PC. I only have a laptop, and it's a Macbook Air.
GhostTrick
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It is. This OP is basically first world problem. Can't use surround sound when playing at 4k and HDR.
Console version isnt even 4k at all.
On top of that, taking one isolated issue doesn't make a case. Cause you could just do that for any console game.
Came to make this exact same post
Planisphaerium
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My pc set up is faaarrr from ugly.
I'm also not sure what you mean by the better looking stuff is slower? That's not true at all.
RanoNL
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GhostTrick
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I know. And a monitor. And a keyboard. All ugly.
I did a google search:
All ugly.
Plain and simple.
i can't hold mouse more than 2 hours without feeling pain in my shoulder
that the reason i sold my PC years ago
fortunately, Sony and Nintendo keep fulfill my gaming needs
however, i sometimes miss to play games such as Age of Empires or original Deus Ex, both games are actually instaled on my macbook, however playing with touchpad is so inconvenient, so i gave up PC games completely
that the reason i sold my PC years ago
fortunately, Sony and Nintendo keep fulfill my gaming needs
however, i sometimes miss to play games such as Age of Empires or original Deus Ex, both games are actually instaled on my macbook, however playing with touchpad is so inconvenient, so i gave up PC games completely
Monocle
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The expense of building a reasonably powerful gaming PC, and the massive headache to make things fucking work the way they're goddamn well supposed to. I don't have the patience to dick around with drivers and pull my hair out troubleshooting random issues.
Consoles make everything so easy.
Consoles make everything so easy.
Pretty much. That wooden one is the only one that's not ugly, and I'm guessing it's custom made.I know. And a monitor. And a keyboard. All ugly.
I did a google search:
All ugly.
I know. And a monitor. And a keyboard. All ugly.
I did a google search:
All ugly.
I'd recommend you don't use Google search if you're looking for PC cases., you're literally going to get the most gaudy results.
Planisphaerium
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heh, i personally think that wooden one is hideous.
2blackcats
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Are people happy enough to play below the maximum settings when playing pc games?
It always pissed me off. I'd be looking up new graphics cards instead of playing if I had to set anything to medium.
It always pissed me off. I'd be looking up new graphics cards instead of playing if I had to set anything to medium.
RanoNL
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I'm sorry. But I wouldn't call that simple, or beautiful. I like Apple hardware. But a Mac is really lousy to game on. Unless you want to play 5-10 year old games. I love aluminum and glass. Simple shapes. Symmetry. No screws visible. Thin, dense, like its cut out of one piece.
Plain and simple.
-MD-
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It is though.
Hollywood Hitman
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Notice he said it's been the only headache he's had with a Pc game.
That aside, it's really just a pity that some reach for anything to justify a disposition to Pc gaming. What a shame.
But it is what it is, I was the first person to order a switch at my gamestop, I enjoy consoles for things but I totally love knowing I can have the best gaming experiences possible alojg with it all.
It's the only way to game imho at least for me
LordRaptor
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There are literally hundreds of case designs out there.
It would be suspiciously convenient if the only form factors you find aesthetically pleasing happen to be the ones designed by Sony or MS.
Atraveller
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Calling Fractal Define case ugly SMH
GhostTrick
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GamerMax73
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I'm currently a console gamer out of preference, and have been for a number of years. PC's will never 100% compete with the plug and play, 10ft interface, single control, of a console. But I'd admit that Valve have brought them close enough for those willing to invest the time in setting it up, and largely it is just the initial set up.
I'm quite confident in my PC building abilities, it's something I've done all my working life. If I want it I could do it. And I know there are work arounds for just about every complaint out there. For instance the last time I set up a PC on my TV for running emulators, I used an app on my iPad as the Keyboard/Mouse. It was a neat solution.
However, there is just more set up with a PC. And the choices are often confusing. Which processor do I buy? Which graphics card do I need? How much ram should I have? How much will all this cost...and then the price of Windows 10 on top of that.
Even then it's not plain sailing. My current laptop is a AMD A8-6410 with 8Gb Ram. Pretty snappy machine by all account. Won't play Civ VI at all. So I got Civ V over Christmas, it was £5 on Steam sale. I pushed all the setting to their highest and the game crawled! Put back to default and it runs fine. The difference graphically between the two is like night and day - they are like two different games.
I've no idea what half of this stuff means. What I can safely turn up. What the difference is between each of the AA options - or which is considered the best type of AA. It's all too confusing and I just want to play the game.
However, and I admit this whole heartedly, the number 1 reason I stick with Playstation of all other options...
...the games...
The Last of Us 2, Spiderman, Death Stranding, Days Gone, Detroit, Last Guardian, Horizon: Zero Dawn
I'm quite confident in my PC building abilities, it's something I've done all my working life. If I want it I could do it. And I know there are work arounds for just about every complaint out there. For instance the last time I set up a PC on my TV for running emulators, I used an app on my iPad as the Keyboard/Mouse. It was a neat solution.
However, there is just more set up with a PC. And the choices are often confusing. Which processor do I buy? Which graphics card do I need? How much ram should I have? How much will all this cost...and then the price of Windows 10 on top of that.
Even then it's not plain sailing. My current laptop is a AMD A8-6410 with 8Gb Ram. Pretty snappy machine by all account. Won't play Civ VI at all. So I got Civ V over Christmas, it was £5 on Steam sale. I pushed all the setting to their highest and the game crawled! Put back to default and it runs fine. The difference graphically between the two is like night and day - they are like two different games.
I've no idea what half of this stuff means. What I can safely turn up. What the difference is between each of the AA options - or which is considered the best type of AA. It's all too confusing and I just want to play the game.
However, and I admit this whole heartedly, the number 1 reason I stick with Playstation of all other options...
...the games...
The Last of Us 2, Spiderman, Death Stranding, Days Gone, Detroit, Last Guardian, Horizon: Zero Dawn
LordRaptor
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Very elegant looking, and also very quiet in operation.
I have a soft spot for the BitFenix Prodigy too.
Hollywood Hitman
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I'm currently a console gamer out of preference, and have been for a number of years. PC's will never 100% compete with the plug and play, 10ft interface, single control, of a console. But I'd admit that Valve have brought them close enough for those willing to invest the time in setting it up, and largely it is just the initial set up.
I'm quite confident in my PC building abilities, it's something I've done all my working life. If I want it I could do it. And I know there are work arounds for just about every complaint out there. For instance the last time I set up a PC on my TV for running emulators, I used an app on my iPad as the Keyboard/Mouse. It was a neat solution.
However, there is just more set up with a PC. And the choices are often confusing. Which processor do I buy? Which graphics card do I need? How much ram should I have? How much will all this cost...and then the price of Windows 10 on top of that.
Even then it's not plain sailing. My current laptop is a AMD A8-6410 with 8Gb Ram. Pretty snappy machine by all account. Won't play Civ VI. I got Civ V over Christmas, it was £5 on Steam sale. I pushed all the setting to their highest and the game crawled! Put back to default and it runs fine. The difference graphically between the two is like night and day - they are like two different games.
I've no idea what half of this stuff means. What I can safely turn up. What the difference is between each of the AA options - or which is considered the best type of AA. It's all to confusing and I just want to play the game.
However, and I admit this whole heartedly, the number 1 reason I stick with Playstation of all other options...
...the games...
The Last of Us 2, Spiderman, Death Stranding, Days Gone, Detroit, Last Guardian, Horizon: Zero Dawn
All you gotta do is ask, Pc gamers are always happy to help with builds. It's not like someone is stranded in the world of no help on this stuff
Im sorry, this thread is silly because it has a slight accusatory tone to it, but responses like these that I see on GAF every now and then are also silly.
Because, I don't believe that you can truly say that the PC has ZERO exclusives that interest you unless 1: You have literally looked at every game on Steam, GOG, Origin Uplay, Battle.net etc. and I'm willing to bet good money that no one that says that has.
Or 2: You are one of those casual gamers that only plays COD/FIFA/MADDEN which hey, cool, that'd make sense then, but I don't see someone with that narrow interest in games posting on GAF.
Rickenslacker
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What you've demonstrated is that the PC can very much have that plug and play experience. The game defaulted to something that ran fine, but yet you're saying it won't play Civ VI. Why? Because you cranked it up all the way when you didn't even need to peer into the graphics options in the first place if you wanted a simple easy experience. You have the choice to make things as simple or as complicated as need be.
I find it interesting one can be so sold on so many unreleased titles! Different strokes I suppose.
GamerMax73
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You miss the point. I'm quite happy doing 5 min google searches to find the answers. It's not that am not capable of figuring this stuff out. It's that I don't want to. Consoles completely take all these types of headaches away. Like it or not, everything is just much more easier and more seamless on console and many of us place great value in this convenience.
Atraveller
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I have that case as well, it's pretty to look at, but a bit of a pain to build in. Drive mounting is awkward, side panels don't come off easily, and no room for cable managing.
LordRaptor
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Atraveller
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I opted for M-ATX version.Mini-ITX is all I can say to that
(albeit a very roomy mini-ITX)
Almost all games put settings automatically to where it should be on your pc and if not there is usually some option to set all settings to low - med - high.
I dont remember even when you NEEDED to go do something in settings if you dont want to. If you dont want to fiddle with settings then you dont have to and just go play.
I know. And a monitor. And a keyboard. All ugly.
I did a google search:
All ugly.
Neo Nazi are everywhere huh
timmyp53
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Yeah it's soooo different for pc gamers... he mentioned unreleased games. I guess that that somehow meant he doesn't sway towards the type of games already released.
i have a mac now.
my last windows-laptop didnt die on hotline miami, but it had several shutdowns while trying to play the game.
i couldnt wrap my head around why my laptop wasnt even able to perform for that game.
i try it every here and then.
pc gaming simply sucks and doesnt do me any favor with "pick up and play".
i have to say, since the ps3, iam sort of disappointed with videogameconsoles too.
installing games?
patches?
you need to get online to play this game???
WHY!!?!?!?
so many unneccessary things
nintendo is the only one who is still sticking to the right ideas.
my last windows-laptop didnt die on hotline miami, but it had several shutdowns while trying to play the game.
i couldnt wrap my head around why my laptop wasnt even able to perform for that game.
i try it every here and then.
pc gaming simply sucks and doesnt do me any favor with "pick up and play".
i have to say, since the ps3, iam sort of disappointed with videogameconsoles too.
installing games?
patches?
you need to get online to play this game???
WHY!!?!?!?
so many unneccessary things
nintendo is the only one who is still sticking to the right ideas.
I don't refuse to game on a PC, and the soon as my current PC dies I will buy a gaming PC. It's more that there are downsides when compared to consoles, and it's not as easy to just get up and running, even if it's easier now than it has been in the past
The idea of spending hours on forums and google looking for fixes for graphical issues or a game that crashes is just not appealing, I don't have the time for that
The idea of spending hours on forums and google looking for fixes for graphical issues or a game that crashes is just not appealing, I don't have the time for that
Rickenslacker
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I'm not talking about it as a PC or console thing, just found it a difference between GamerMax73 and myself. Games draw us to the hobby in the first place, but I'm not sold on anything until it's actually out and tangible in some form. I've been spurned on hype trains one too many times.
GamerMax73
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No. What I'm saying is...if I want to play Civ VI, which I do, then automatically I need a better CPU or GPU...well, that means a new laptop. You could argue that's the same as going from PS3 to PS4, but we both know PC upgrading isn't anywhere near that linear.
As for Civ V. The graphics settings are there. I don't understand them. I don't want to understand them. You're right the game plays on default. I play the game on default. But i've seen what the game looks like at its best. This leads back to the Civ VI point - what CPU/GPU do I need?
We buy games we are interested in. We don't know whether they are good or bad till we play them. At some point every announced game is, well, unreleased. From first hand experience the previous quality of these studios suggest to me these games are likely to be ones I'll enjoy playing.
I'm gonna have to disagree with you right there
having to wait weeks for low framerates to be adjusted (Witcher 3), hard crashes to be fixed (No Man's Sky), or pre order content not downloading (JPN Future Tone) is not taking "these types of headaches away"
I get that you don't want to spend 5 minutes to fix an issue and would rather wait weeks but consoles aren't some works 100% of the time paradise
Sad Affleck
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There are four factors at play here. First, quite a few of those games are sequels so if you enjoyed the first one it makes sense to also be excited for the sequel. Second, most of them are big budget titles with beautiful graphics so it's much easier to be impressed by them before actually playing them. Third, most of these games get the big marketing push that a console maker can provide so the general audience gets hyped. And fourth, most of them belong to the popular genre of action-something which appeals to mainstream audiences.
PC exclusives usually lack at least two of those factors and as such often fly completely under the radar of the average GAF member. I've used the example of No Man's Sky before. No Man's Sky is basically a PC Early Access survival game that got picked up by a major console maker and given a huge marketing push. If that hadn't happened the average GAF member probably wouldn't know that the game existed, yet after the marketing push it became a reason to own a PS4 for many.
I get his point. Consoles have their share of problems but they give you the peace of mind that whatever the problem is, it's not your fault or your setup's fault. If a game doesn't run well, has severe bugs or crashes then you know that it is the game's fault and it's the developers' duty to fix it. On a PC there's always a chance, however slight on a properly maintained system, that something about your specific setup might be causing a problem.
Of course this also has its drawbacks. If the game is running poorly on consoles there is literally nothing you can do to fix it. On PC there are always settings to adjust, workarounds, mods, community fixes and tricks to get the game running as you want it to. It's a trade-off in both cases.
GhostTrick
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Like The Witcher 3 vsync problems on PS4, which for months, made it lock down to 20fps on some areas. Or Just Cause 3 multiple patches problems, which dragged performances down over and over. Or World of Final Fantasy on PS4 Pro, which made the game totally blurry for months, before it finally got fixed. Or Bloodborne framepaccing issues... which never were fixed.
Calling consoles "headaches-free" isn't only false, it also make you completely dependant on the will of the publishers ot fix it.
Hollywood Hitman
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Battlefield 1 was a mess for 3 or 4 weeks as well due to Ea busting its frames and textures with a patch.
LordRaptor
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The point is that generally you don't have to.
You can buy a game, and run it on auto-detect settings, and it will mostly run fine.
If you have an Nvidia card, you can launch the game through Geforce Experience, and it will crowd source a tweaked graphical settings based on your rig for you.
If you really want to wring every ounce of oomph out of your system, then that is where 'tweaking' comes in, or if you want to prioritise things the game developer didn;t, like 60fps over graphical bells and whistles.
If you're playing a game the second its unlocked on steam, you might have some issues because you're playing without the day 1 patch, and possibly without the required videocard drivers, but those will be ready within 48 hours of launch.
If you're playing extremely old titles, you might have issues, and the further back that titles from the likelihood increases, but thats the minor downside to effecively infinite backwards compatibility.
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