I don't know how the DGR SKU is different than the DG, but I bought the DG last May and absolutely love it. I have a 980ti though, so I can very easily keep high frame rates on almost anything at 1440p
G-Sync is the god-level gaming upgrade.
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I don't know how the DGR SKU is different than the DG, but I bought the DG last May and absolutely love it. I have a 980ti though, so I can very easily keep high frame rates on almost anything at 1440p
KevMan1815
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So I've been looking at upgrading my monitor to at least something that runs at 144hz. Originally I was thinking of a 1440p with Gsync, but after seeing people say 1080p will look really bad on a 1440p I'm rethinking what to do now. I'm only sporting a 970 so I dont think I'll be able to take full advantage of a 1440p monitor. So now I have to decide to wait or just get something cheaper for the 144hz like the Asus VG248QE. Any suggestions from knowledgeable monitor people?
Do you have to clone it?
I have similar setup but my tv just works as 3rd monitor in living room, no cloning.
Don't worry, pretty much same setup here. (1080 + 1440p144hz gsync + 1080p60hz portrait + 2160p60hz TV). I have Vsync on in the control panel though, so it kicks in if a game exceeds 144hz on the monitor. App controller should be fine though. Just make sure to engage Vsync in-game when playing on the TV to avoid tearing or use RTSS, whatever.
I recommend simply launching your games through Steam BPM. You can set it up to open on your TV, it will then set the TV as primary display. Once you leave BPM, it will restore your previous config (desktop icons might be shuffled around a bit though so keep that in mind). Haven't run into any tearing or stuttering issues whatsoever.
Soodanim
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When first mixed my 144hz G-Sync monitor and a 60hz TV, I tried cloning but got severe tearing because the 60hz is trying to display up to 144 frames.
My current method is to use Win+P to switch outputs, using only the exclusive options. Extended display isn't always ideal when icons end up on another desktop and you have to turn on the TV/monitor to find them. Another reason is that some games get fussy with multiple displays and I've had some strange things happen because of it.
Settings are G-Sync on, VSync on. In game settings changed as and when it becomes necessary.
There is one thing I encounter though, and it's more of a problem in some games than others. I'm not 100% sure what causes it, but what happens is I hear a disconnect noise and then a reconnect one, then some black/picture flashing like it's adjusting resolution. In the odd few games this actually causes a loss of focus but the game keeps running, which can be bad. I need to do further testing to try and narrow down what it is, but it can be a pain in the arse. I just tried unplugging the displayport cable then plugging it back in and this causes the same thing, so maybe it's some sort of eco power mode? But the monitor is off when it happens mid-game, so I don't know where else to look for answers.
Anyone encountered anything similar, GAF?
I'm on a 970 and 1080@144hz and I think I have the right combination. Some newer games (e.g. Deus Ex: Mankind Divided) are struggling to maintain 60fps at half decent settings, so going any higher would be asking for trouble. Especially when you're used to 60 as a minimum - going below that becomes a bit horrible for a while. Plus, for the better optimised games you want to be hitting those higher numbers, and it's only going to get harder to hit those targets as time goes on.
Go 1080p144 with a 970. If you're upgrading your GPU soon, then 1440p144 would be a better future-proofing option.
Come back to us and gush when you've played an FPS at a locked 120fps with ULMB on or a fast paced open world game like GTA5 at 90+fps.
DanWensing
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My two new toys just arrived. =)
3x 144hz Gsync for Sim Racing!!
3x 144hz Gsync for Sim Racing!!
dcx4610
Member
With a 970, I would stick with 1080p. 1080p content looks blurry on a 1440p display and isn't worth it. The VG248QE is what I previously had and it's a decent monitor but it's a TN panel and the colors aren't great. There are tons of 144hz 1080p displays out there now. 144hz is well worth the upgrade but I'd stick with 1080.
Your BPM recommendation sounds right up my alley. Thanks! (And to everyone else who responded!)
Blak_Status
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I asked the same question on the r/monitors subreddit last week. I was told that newer 1440p/144hz monitors actually scale down to 1080p very well these days.
They recommended this monitor: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01LWJMM1S/?tag=neogaf0e-20
So I plan to make the jump soon. If it doesn't work out, I'll just return it.
Zurick
Banned
I'm really happy I'm not the only one.. When you check reliability does it mention something nvidia kernal blah blah blah?
What do you mean by checking reliability?
dcx4610
Member
Running 1080p isn't awful on 1440p but the image is very noticeably soft and blurry. If you compared a 1080p display next to a 1440p monitor running 1080p software, the 1080p monitor wins every time.
If you want to run games at 1080p, get a 1080p monitor. Trust me. Another option is going 4k. Since 1080 multiplies into 2160, 1080p content will look identical or better than a native 1080p display. The downside is the cost and lower Gsync hz options.
Is this the setup item you were referring to? (I don't have my TV plugged in yet, so it's only showing my monitor)
Sorry, guess I never saw this post.
Pixel response time of the panel was poor. I knew about the gamma shifting as I own a VA panel based X800D (and it was still noticeable compared to an IPS even in a single-user curved configuration), but the dealbreaker was the really obvious ghosting. I guess I don't notice it as much on my X800D - maybe due to the distance of the panel or something - but I wouldn't tolerate it in a monitor.
Calibrated Chaos
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If I'm running with a 1070 what monitor should I get? I prefer ultra wide but doesn't have to be
I just got the Asus PG279Q for my 1070 and 4790k. 1440p, gsync, IPS. It's godly!
Be aware that these panels are prone to IPS glow, so you might have to go through a few.
Sure. G-Sync displays have no scalar for the DisplayPort input as they're meant to be used with a GPU. The GPU handles scaling through the Nvidia control panel.
If you want no scaling for your image, you can disable it in NVCP. It's simple to do. The result would be a 1920x1080 sized image in the centre of the panel, like so.
The image will be sharper than if you enable scaling to fill the 2560x1440 display. Edit: replaced obnoxiously large image.
dcx4610
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You can use 1080p on a 1440p display but it's going to be blurry and have a filtered look. LCDs are made to run at native resolutions and when you run at something it's not expecting, it has to process the image. It's not unplayable but it's very noticeable and worse than a native 1080p display. A 4k/2160p display fixes the problem with 1080p content since it upscales evenly but if you ran 1440p content, it would have the blurry/filtered look.
Yes exactly. BPM will always launch on the specified display and make it primary if it's plugged in.
KevMan1815
Member
Thank you for the responses. So now I have to determine if I want to stick with 1080p gaming or upgrade my card. The thing I hate about upgrading is I feel like when I get a new card the next batch is announced shortly after. It happened with my 970 with the 10 series. Decisions, decisions.
The only thing you can do is buy the GPU as close to release day as possible to get the maximum value. There is always something 40% better for the same money 18 months away.
dcx4610
Member
Pretty much impossible to stay on top with GPUs. The 1080 series was a big leap and should last you for several years. It depends on what you are really wanting to do. If you want 1440p, definitely get a 1080. If you want to run games at Ultra and to be future proof for a bit at 1080p, a 1080 also isn't a bad idea. If you 1080p at medium or high is all that matters to you, stick with 970.
But NVidia (I don't know about AMD) doesn't have integer scaling, so that's a moot point. Unless the monitor itself is doing the upscaling, but most don't. You probably thought it looked as sharp because of the pixel density and general high quality of the panel, but the bilinear filtering itself is still there. (Unless you use some third-party application like GeDoSaTo that do has integer scaling built-in, but that tool isn't compatible with all games).
KevMan1815
Member
I think for now I'm going to stick with my 970 and wait for the next round of videocards. I do still want to upgrade my monitor though to a 144hz. But now my question is Gsync or not to Gsync? I have been busy at work and haven't had much time to look at 1080p options for Gsync, but is it worth it if I'm going 144hz anyway? Thanks so much for answering so many questions. It's extremely helpful.
Awesome, thanks!
Soodanim
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You're not going to hold a solid 144fps in all games now with a 970, never mind in the future. GTAV will be 50-90, Deus Ex MD will be 40-60 depending on settings and there's probably more new games that I haven't played yet that you won't hold 60 in. There are other ways to avoid tearing, like borderless full screen, but the convenience is great. Plug and play.
mullet2000
Member
I have a 980 ti (extremely similar to a 1070) and I do totally fine with a 16:9 1440p monitor. 60+ fps in 99.9% of games.
21:9 1440p might be pushing it a little though. I'm close enough to the 60 line in enough newer games that I bet that might push you under.
dcx4610
Member
Think of 144hz as the max your monitor can refresh at. Just having 144hz is huge and will allow you to go over 60fps and look great but with a 970, you probably aren't going to get 144fps in everything and that's where Gsync helps. If you will keep a smooth frame rate now matter how high or low it dips. I think you'll be satisfied with just 144hz but if your eyes are susceptible to judder or tearing, Gsync might be worth the extra money.
144Hz has huge benefits over 60Hz even at 60 FPS or lower and without G-Sync. For instance, screen tearing with v-sync OFF will still be there but it will be much harder to notice. The input lag of v-sync ON will be much less for the exact same reason. Also, you can cap your framerate at 48 or 36 and there won't be any judder! G-Sync is the cherry on the top.
A high refresh rate monitor was the best gaming investment I have ever made, even better than SSDs for me. At first I jumped from a low end 60Hz monitor to a 120Hz monitor and I almost couldn't believe how nice it was to even move the mouse around the screen, it's like night and day. A driver update change my refresh rate to 60Hz once and I thought something was broken until I realize what happend. Later, I upgraded to a 144Hz G-Sync monitor to make things even better.
Then again, I'm extra sensitive to the problems caused by v-sync. Those problems pissed me of a lot long before I even heard of variable refresh rates, so YMMV.
A high refresh rate monitor was the best gaming investment I have ever made, even better than SSDs for me. At first I jumped from a low end 60Hz monitor to a 120Hz monitor and I almost couldn't believe how nice it was to even move the mouse around the screen, it's like night and day. A driver update change my refresh rate to 60Hz once and I thought something was broken until I realize what happend. Later, I upgraded to a 144Hz G-Sync monitor to make things even better.
Then again, I'm extra sensitive to the problems caused by v-sync. Those problems pissed me of a lot long before I even heard of variable refresh rates, so YMMV.
I was absolutely devastated when I heard this news
Okay, after few month on mulling over, I bit the bullet on Acer Z271.
Please be a good one.
//EDIT: Just as amazon ships out my package, I happen to notice this thread:
Z271 strange issue with 144hz
fml...
Please be a good one.
//EDIT: Just as amazon ships out my package, I happen to notice this thread:
Z271 strange issue with 144hz
fml...
lionelhutz
Member
Best Buy has the Dell S2716DGR on sale again. I'm really on the fence after reading reviews and the calibration requirements.
How much work is needed to produce a nice picture?
Has anyone used the ICC profile from PC Monitors?
If you own the monitor, and had to make the decision again, would you still buy the Dell, or would look at other displays?
How much work is needed to produce a nice picture?
Has anyone used the ICC profile from PC Monitors?
If you own the monitor, and had to make the decision again, would you still buy the Dell, or would look at other displays?
It's a TN screen, the picture will never be nice, no matter what you do.
You might get it to 'acceptable when looking straight on at screen' but nothing more.
I had this monitor for a few days, running 144Hz with a GTX 1080. Never had this problem if that reassures you.
Is anyone else getting stuttering when playing on a secondary display, specifically a TV hooked up through HDMI? My setup is:
EVGA 1070 FTW
144hz Gsync monitor (primary, displayport)
60hz pc monitor (secondary, dvi)
60hz TV (secondary, hdmi)
I was trying to play games last night with just my tv through hdmi (using windows+p to disable the other displays), but I kept getting stuttering in all my games. I have vsync on in NCP and the tv is set to 60hz, so not sure what is going on.
EVGA 1070 FTW
144hz Gsync monitor (primary, displayport)
60hz pc monitor (secondary, dvi)
60hz TV (secondary, hdmi)
I was trying to play games last night with just my tv through hdmi (using windows+p to disable the other displays), but I kept getting stuttering in all my games. I have vsync on in NCP and the tv is set to 60hz, so not sure what is going on.
I had no issues for 5 days, played through both Abzu and Ryse, but unfortunately, yesterday it happened during a ProEvo match.
I'm guessing sustained 144 Hz is an issue - both Abzu and Ryse ran at about 110 fps average.
For anyone who has a gsync monitor as their primary and a tv as their secondary:
I find when I press windows key + p to switch over to my TV (for couch gaming), gsync is still enabled in Nvidia Control Panel. Will that cause any issues? I tend to turn on vsync in-game when playing on my TV, and disable it in-game whjen playing on my gsync monitor. I've noticed some games have performance issues (Rocket League, Earth Defense Force 4.1, Transformers Devastation) while others do not (Witcher 3, Resident Evil 4, Alan Wake, Hitman). Not sure if having gsync on while playing on the tv is related to this, though.
I find when I press windows key + p to switch over to my TV (for couch gaming), gsync is still enabled in Nvidia Control Panel. Will that cause any issues? I tend to turn on vsync in-game when playing on my TV, and disable it in-game whjen playing on my gsync monitor. I've noticed some games have performance issues (Rocket League, Earth Defense Force 4.1, Transformers Devastation) while others do not (Witcher 3, Resident Evil 4, Alan Wake, Hitman). Not sure if having gsync on while playing on the tv is related to this, though.
Soodanim
Member
I leave G-sync on when I switch to my TV, and it causes no issues. I'm fairly certain that your performance issues are unrelated.
McHuj
Member
I've joined the club. Picked up a Acer Predator hb271 yesterday. While it has some backlight bleed spot, I think I'm going to keep it.
Doom and BF1 run really nice on it, but I think I'll have to upgrade the GPU soon as well to get more frames (currently running a 1070), but even the 1080ti doesn't seem sufficient yet (unless you compromise on settings).
Doom and BF1 run really nice on it, but I think I'll have to upgrade the GPU soon as well to get more frames (currently running a 1070), but even the 1080ti doesn't seem sufficient yet (unless you compromise on settings).
RandomError
Neo Member
Finally upgraded my ancient Samsung to an Asus PG248Q. Loving the 144hz/G-Sync combination. Being able to lower settings to push framerates into the triple digits or max everything out and not be bothered as much by the occassional framerate drop is fantastic.
My only complaints are with the panel itself - the backlight uniformity is worse than I expected from a TN panel, much less one this expensive.
http://i.imgur.com/iWA9ARF.jpg
The photo exacerbates the effect somewhat. It's not really an issue in-game, but is quite noticeable while web browsing, watching wide aspect ratio video content, or in loading screens. Is this typical or should I be looking to return or exchange it?
My only complaints are with the panel itself - the backlight uniformity is worse than I expected from a TN panel, much less one this expensive.
http://i.imgur.com/iWA9ARF.jpg
The photo exacerbates the effect somewhat. It's not really an issue in-game, but is quite noticeable while web browsing, watching wide aspect ratio video content, or in loading screens. Is this typical or should I be looking to return or exchange it?
Need some advice or maybe a fix?
Looks like my Dell S2417DG and old ASUS VG248QE have a similar defect(?) in that there's some blue light shining from the bottom of the bezel.
I can't tell if this is something with the viewing angles or it's legit back light bleed. The fact that it's on both monitors in the exact same place is weird. Am I going insane?
If it is true backlight bleed, that'd suck as there's no way I can get the old VG248QE fixed since I bought it so long ago. I'm still using it as my primary until I can get a 1080 Ti.
Looks like my Dell S2417DG and old ASUS VG248QE have a similar defect(?) in that there's some blue light shining from the bottom of the bezel.
I can't tell if this is something with the viewing angles or it's legit back light bleed. The fact that it's on both monitors in the exact same place is weird. Am I going insane?
If it is true backlight bleed, that'd suck as there's no way I can get the old VG248QE fixed since I bought it so long ago. I'm still using it as my primary until I can get a 1080 Ti.
masterkajo
Member
I just got an Acer XB271HU. Glorious display (slight backlight bleed but otherwise perfect. I don't notice it at all except with a camera). I have a weird problem though. With my 680 (which will be replaced soon) I can only activate 120Hz max. Is this because of my old card or is the monitor faulty?
do you have ULMB enabled?
masterkajo
Member
No. I disabled ULMB, Overdrive, DTS etc.