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[BlastProcessing]

Wow!!!! So the ACA is actually OK with conservative groups such as AFP, Club for Growth, Heritage Action and FreedomWorks, that actually says something about the successes that the ACA has had.

Not exactly. By not consulting these groups, they pretty much doomed the bill no matter it's content. The insult of being cut out of the process is basically enough to make these groups oppose on principle.

That said, this plan isn't even really a plan. These groups are still financially conservative enough to reject a plan that doesn't include any real way to pay for itself.

 

[Grizzle_Dat]

Yeah, this thing is dead.

It isn't dead its just the best offer thats ever going to be offered.

When the final bill passes the Dems are going to wish they jumped on this version of it .

 

[AlphaDump]

Doesn't matter, it must be carried to term

Well fucking played.

 

[fredrancour]

It isn't dead its just the best offer thats ever going to be offered.

When the final bill passes the Dems are going to wish they jumped on this version of it .

hopefully we can get a standoff between freedom caucus burn-the-gov't-to-the-ground types and republicans from districts where people are actually benefitting from the bill, so that nobody can decide how much fucking-over-the-poor is the right amount.

 

[Bishman]

Trumpcare vs. Obamacare

 

[Steejee]

Trumpcare vs. Obamacare

They sure do love their meaningless stacks of paper.

 

[Mr.Shrugglesツ]

Trumpcare vs. Obamacare

can't even lie properly.

 

[Tranqueris]

Wow!!!! So the ACA is actually OK with conservative groups such as AFP, Club for Growth, Heritage Action and FreedomWorks, that actually says something about the successes that the ACA has had.

Ehh I wouldn't say that. Some of them are probably pissed off that Paul Ryan isn't repealing the whole law and telling sick people to fuck off.

 

[JohnsonUT]

Trumpcare vs. Obamacare

Add a third stack with a single page that eliminates health care in the US for everyone. Fewer pages is better.

 

[LilZippa]

Ehh I wouldn't say that. Some of them are probably pissed off that Paul Ryan isn't repealing the whole law and telling sick people to fuck off.

That is what I heard on NPR from the freedom caucus guy.

 

[Sciz]

This bill seems like the legislative equivalent of waiting to do your research paper until the night before it's due: Unsatisfying and full of obvious logical gaps that should've been caught in editing.

 

[KSweeley]

I really wish the U.S. could have single-payer health care such as Medicare for All.

 

[metalslimer]

It isn't dead its just the best offer thats ever going to be offered.

When the final bill passes the Dems are going to wish they jumped on this version of it .

Uh no. Good luck getting 50 republican senators on board with a complete repeal

 

[Ziltoidia 9]

Of course they would say that shorter is better.

Its like in highschool when people pick the shortest book to review for their project.

 

[joe2187]

Obamas stack is is bigger...

 

[Ziltoidia 9]

Obamas stack is is bigger...

WE HAVE THE BIGGESTS STACKS, STACKS SO BIG. SAD!

 

[LegendofJoe]

Pretty much. As someone w/ employer health insurance it's nice to get a tax shelter for money to help cover co-pays and deductibles but there's no way it's going to help a poor person who is living paycheck to paycheck.

HSAs with high deductible health plans are also untenable for people with chronic health conditions. They only work for the young and/or wealthy.

 

[BlueTsunami]

Trumpcare vs. Obamacare

Dat lack of regulation

 

[Dude Abides]

Price spouting a bunch of bullshit right now. Nothing says patient-centered like a 30% penalty as a disincentive for getting insurance after going without.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kBMtLmwQe94#t=2080

 

[KSweeley]

The Democrats doesn't think the AHCA is dead, just got this email from the "DNC War Room" at 1:33 PM EDT:

 

[BlueTsunami]

Price spouting a bunch of bullshit right now. Nothing says patient-centered like a 30% penalty as a disincentive for getting insurance after going without.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kBMtLmwQe94#t=2080

30% of which goes right to the insurer instead of the government to bolster the service. Literally the opposite.

 

[joe2187]

"Defunding planned parenthood is better for women, it gives them more access to more robust choices for women!"

Like early and preventable death for pregnant women and women at risk!

 

[SparkleMotion]

I wish there was a way to give poor people health insurance AND rich people tax breaks so that everyone can finally work together.

 

[A Serious Man]

Nice dodge on that question about the insurance exec tax break.

 

[fredrancour]

I wish there was a way to give poor people health insurance AND rich people tax breaks so that everyone can finally work together.

very, very harsh regulations on what can be charged for medical services would be needed for that to work.

 

[joe2187]

I wish there was a way to give poor people health insurance AND rich people tax breaks so that everyone can finally work together.

The reality of that idea

 

[LegendofJoe]

I wish there was a way to give poor people health insurance AND rich people tax breaks so that everyone can finally work together.

They have plenty of preferential tax treatment already. They need to pay their way or GTFO of this country.

 

[Dude Abides]

lol "how are you going to increase competition for prescription drugs"

"we're going to increase competition by being patient centered and also competition is very important. Competition."

 

[A Serious Man]

Why are they bragging that their bill is smaller?

 

[jiiikoo]

"Far fewer pages, thats 120 pages, Obama much bigger" oh for fucks sake. Like the fucking size of the bill has anything to do with how good or bad it is.

 

[KSweeley]

AHCA will be heard by the U.S. Senate if it leaves the House: https://www.washingtonpost.com/powe...2f721e-02e5-11e7-ad5b-d22680e18d10_story.html

March 7 at 1:41 PM EDT

Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) said he will bring up the House's plan to repeal and replace the Affordable Care Act should it pass the lower chamber, a plan that is facing mounting trouble given rising concerns about the bills among both conservative and moderate Republicans.

"I encourage every member to review [the legislation] because I hope to call it up when we receive it from the House," McConnell said Tuesday on the Senate floor.

"We've come a long way. We've got a lot further to go, but we're making significant progress. Working arm in arm with the House and the new administration, we're going to keep our promise to the American people."

McConnell made his remarks as conservative pressure groups revolted against the measures introduced late Monday by House Republicans and significant concerns in the Senate also appeared to be taking root. Four key Republicans in the Senate have expressed worries about the plan's possible impact on lower-income people who received Medicaid coverage through the Affordable Care Act's expansion of that program.

The four senators were split on exactly what proposals would meet their standards, but with 52 Republicans, McConnell would not have enough votes to pass a bill without the support of at least two of them.

 

[Rebel Leader]

Horrible shit.

 

[joe2187]

"Obamacare served special interests and not the american people"

- Insured nearly 17 million american citizens
- affordable for poor and lower income
- regulated insurance companies from discriminating against previous conditions

 

[mugurumakensei]

lol "how are you going to increase competition for prescription drugs"

"we're going to increase competition by being patient centered and also competition is very important. Competition."

So are they getting rid of the exclusive period for patents?

 

[super-heated plasma]

 

[KSweeley]

"Obamacare served special interests and not the american people"

- Insured nearly 17 million american citizens
- affordable for poor and lower income
- regulated insurance companies from discriminating against previous conditions

As usual, the Republicans are ignoring those facts on the ACA and are talking out their collective asses about the ACA.

 

[Dude Abides]

So are they getting rid of the exclusive period for patents?

Of course not.

 

[Jeels]

"Obamacare served special interests and not the american people"

- Insured nearly 17 million american citizens
- affordable for poor and lower income
- regulated insurance companies from discriminating against previous conditions

Served insurance companies over the people so well so many insurance companies bailed out of the exchanges!

 

[johnny956]

I personally can benefit from this, but you kind of have to already have money for this to work. It does nothing to help the poor. If we are getting this in place of medicaid funding then I'll take the latter.

Yea that's what I meant from it. It'll help reduce taxes for me but it doesn't do anything for the majority of people. It's a tax shelter (which is why I use it)

 

[Muppet of a Man]

The reality of that idea

Class dynamics in a nut shell. Rich people are much more prone to being deceptive, manipulative pieces of shit. It's the "Fuck you, got mine." disorder.
Doesn't help that a disproportionate number of people have accumulated that wealth due to being sociopaths or having sociopathic tendencies in the first place.

 

[malboroking]

I wish there was a way to give poor people health insurance AND rich people tax breaks so that everyone can finally work together.

Won't anyone think of the poor billionaires!

 

[Ogodei]

The Democrats doesn't think the AHCA is dead, just got this email from the "DNC War Room" at 1:33 PM EDT:

Fundraising for political causes only work if you think your enemies are powerful and perpetually just inches away from a critical victory unless you cut us a $100 check right now.

 

[malboroking]

Served insurance companies over the people so well so many insurance companies bailed out of the exchanges!

Having to take care of sick people really cut into their profit margins.

 

[studyguy]

https://twitter.com/BraddJaffy/status/839192847777673218

HHS Sec. says he's “not aware” that GOP health bill includes tax break for insurance execs making $500,000+

It does

What the hell is this admin doing?

 

[joe2187]

"Obamacare makes sure no one has a choice, we're giving back choice, now you have a choice. This choice is now your choice because we're giving you a choice when you didnt have a choice, the choice is yours and it's choice that choice choice choice choice!"

 

[Iolo]

I would agree that conservative pressure groups are revolting.

 

[Ziltoidia 9]

So thats what they are going to say when the CBO shits on it. "it isnt complete."

 

[A Serious Man]

Judging by this Spicer press conference, they're going to try to sell this bill by avoiding talking about it and just scaring people with "Obamacare is about to explode!".

 

[jay]

Class dynamics in a nut shell. Rich people are much more prone to being deceptive, manipulative pieces of shit. It's the "Fuck you, got mine." disorder.
Doesn't help that a disproportionate number of people have accumulated that wealth due to being sociopaths or having sociopathic tendencies in the first place.

This raises the shit chicken or shit egg question.

 

[pigeon]

The Democrats doesn't think the AHCA is dead, just got this email from the "DNC War Room" at 1:33 PM EDT:

It's only dead if Republicans feel enough political pressure to vote against destroying people's health care.

The lesson of 2016 is that the only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good people to do nothing.