The Salt Life
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Nah, I don't think he is an alt right scum bag because I seen alt right scum bags, Colin is an opinionated asshole at the most.
Colin Moriarty is leaving Kinda Funny Games.
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ScientificPizza
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No one is saying that staying true to yourself is inherently bad, other than you just now. You have to purposefully go out of your way to infer that from my post.
Well, I am a former Democrat turned Libertarian who went through that process while earning a Masters degree in Political Science. Oh, and I'm Jewish as well. Feel free to engage me via PM if you wish to engage in a debate about the error of your statements.
Agreed, it's impossible to judge somebodies intelligence based off their musical taste. Personally I can't stand 311 but I wouldn't consider anyone that enjoyed their music of lesser intelligence.
I once met a producer in Sydney who helped promote some very strange music coming out of the NSW dance scene, some of the music is completely 'unlistenable' and I'd argue much of it's success is from it's shock/laugh value. He really enjoyed their music nonetheless and was quite intelligent and ran a successful business (not the producing, he did that on the side). The artist was Passenger of Shit (youtube it yourself, I'm not linking it).
Greg and Tim alone on the podcast is just episodes of the chuckle brothers and I can't deal with that long term.
Colin leaving creates a massive vacuum of industry and Playstation knowledge and discussion that Tim can't fill.
They need outside help for PSILY, I'd suggest Greg aggressively pursuses Vince Ingenito from IGN. He's clever, quite funny and knows PS as a whole relatively inside out and will help foster good discussion.
It just means that "staying true to yourself" is not pertinent to this debate. It is about what he stays true to. You can stay true to yourself, be polite, speak well mannered and still have abhorrent views about certain topics. A polished turd is still a turd.
You are welcome to disagree that any of the substance of what he said is abhorrent, though, but please argue about that and not some virtues that have nothing to do with the debate.
Wierd use of "literal" in your post, for some one who is suggesting that I do some extra reading it seems like you could use your own advice. Aso other people already pointed out the actual point those posters made, using a hyperbolic point to ram home the message, was that "being true to yourself" is only positive if the "true you" is worth a damn. For fuck sake Ibe listened to every episode of beyond Colin was in, for a long time I thought the guy was really smart.
Then I grew up, got an education in the subject we are now speaking about and got a lot of real world experience. The truth is he might be a semi-smart guy but he's let his privilege and arigance blind him. Colin is wrong, and spouting be life's to a huge fan base of young impressionable people is harmful.
Oh for your last point, Hitler did do a whole lot of bad stuff, but he didn't do it alone and he didn't start with a genocide. He started with propaganda. He started with jokes about big nosed greedy Jews and how annoying and disruptive they were. Look how poorly those jokes turned out.
Your post sounded like a teenager whose favourite girl or boy band has split up
relax
I have heard him on podcasts basically scold those not at his level and tell them how to act. He is far from just opinionated.
He pushes for an ideology to rip healthcare and ALL support systems from the poor. He wants to shut down Medicare, Medicaid, Obamacare, Welfare, and all financial support systems for the poor. ALL OF THEM.
That is not just opinionated, that is hateful. Explain how that view is just "opinionated"? He wants to destroy the lives of MILLIONS AND MILLIONS OF PEOPLE.
Please, tell me how that is just opinions?
If you are someone who is only alive due to these support systems it aint just a fucking opinion when he says you don't deserve it and it should be shut down.
"Staying true to one's self" is fucking meaningless without context. It implies action without reflection or concern outside of one's own needs is to be celebrated. Colin is not a civil rights leader. His 'staying true to one's self' means shitting on his detractors without even a shred of empathy for what they might be saying, or with zero interest in maybe learning something new outside of his own experience. He pouts when he's challenged, and ironically retreats towards his own echo-chamber when his peers, chunks of his fan-base, and friends all tell him he's being an asshole.
LudicrousSpeed
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The point, which you come so close to grasping, is that "staying true to yourself" is neither inherently good or inherently bad but varies with the validity of the underlying stance.
Hitler staying true to himself is bad because he's history's greatest monster. Martin Luther King Jr staying true to himself is good because the quest for civil rights is a good thing for society as a whole.
Colin "staying true to himself" was being cast as a positive when "staying true" meant continuing to be a right-wing internet shithead in the vein of those monsters he decided to follow now that he's free. That's not something that should be cast as virtuous by anyone.
ronaldthump
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to be fair, I don't think he's being too ridiculous with what his saying, he's talking about the horizon "brave" + Guerilla's response and I think its about "outrage culture".
He defends the pro-multiculturalism in the Horizon game and applauds that it has a female lead. And also appauled Gonzales' response (its late here I'm sleepy so names could be wrong).
you should listen to the context of what he's saying.
The Salt Life
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I'm not here to change your mind
Sorry you're hurt by his comments.
Confused Cheeseburger
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Also his favorite band is fucking 311.
You're dancing around the edge of a pool and going, hey it's a circle with water in it and there's beach balls. But this isn't a pool.
To even throw around the word hilter shows a persons stupidity. You cannot tell me there's not a liberal (no pun intended) use of the word hilter around this joint lately. I'm not going to spend two seconds to search the word hilter on this site because we both know there's gonna be a ton of hits. So continue to dance around and say well he didn't call him LITERALLY hitler.
Video games right?
TBH this is the biggest atrocity of all.
I have. In exchange, I was presented with him complaining how white people can't dress up like Native Americans for Halloween. As if
a) that's in any way related to the topic at hand
b) doing so isn't already obviously fucking gross.
"He stayed true to himself" seems like an odd accolade to grant someone who appeared at many times to be putting on an act or was deliberately provocative to get a reaction, eg from his International Women's Day tweet.
You're really, really not doing yourself any favors here.
You're really, really not doing yourself any favors here.
Everyone should be hurt by those comments. If you aren't you need to reassess your life and what you take for granted. The idea he barfs out about ripping all healthcare and support systems from the poor should offend every living breathing human being with a soul.
So you think it's a-ok he wants to shut down all public healthcare systems we have and throw the poor and the elderly to the streets with no healthcare if they aren't well off enough to afford it themselves?
Tell me, how isn't that a view of someone with hate in their heart?
If you grew up poor at all you would see how Colin's view points is the poor are poor because it is their own fault and should just shut up and die already and let him keep his own money.
His views are hate. If you had any compassion in your heart you could see this. I pray you do.
Oh yeah, Jared is a good shout too!
I'd still plump a little bit more for Vince though but I just really enjoyed his voice when he joined IGN compared to a lot of the new people they've hired.
I'm not sure what that has to do with anything?
Seems like this thread has reached it's nadir, where Colin can be assassinated for anything he likes or believes in.
The guy has his faults but surely musical tastes are no reason for further hammerings?
Often times people have blind spots that prevent them from coming to that conclusion. Libertarians sometimes think that charity efforts will serve such populations.
Thus, it's certainly possible to be libertarian without hating such groups.
Anything in the rumor mill on why Vince left IGN?
Seemed very sudden and he had done reviews and podcasts up until he finished up. Also didnt see any reaction from colleagues in relation to his departure
ScientificPizza
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I have no idea what you pool analogy is supposed to mean. But no one is dancing around calling Colin literally Hitler, it just did not happen. It was a comparison to illustrate a point. That's not dancing around anything. You're accusing someone of literally calling Colin Hitler based on nothing more than "well people sure do bring up Hitler in arguments a lot". That doesn't even begin to make sense.
If you want to argue that Hitler is invoked to often then, sure, I probably agree
MysteryQuesadilla
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Perhaps the biggest strike.
It is impossible to care about the poor while publicly calling for the total shut down of all government support systems such as healthcare. Charities can't bring in the hundreds upon hundreds of billions of dollars required every year for Medicaid and Medicare.
Colin wants to keep his money and let the poor die in the streets. This is an absolute fact. He doesn't want Medicaid Medicare or Obamacare at all and no assistance provided by the government whatsoever.
Darryl M R
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Let's not pretend Colin is a libertarian. That label makes his views seem less extreme than they truly are. He is a radicalized anrachist who is calling for the utter destruction of the nations entire support system for the poor and worse off.
Libertarians want lower taxes. Colin wants NO taxes. The government to have no money whatsoever to provide absolutely zero services.
Libertarians want lower taxes. Colin wants NO taxes. The government to have no money whatsoever to provide absolutely zero services.
NYR
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Which is ironic since he was working for something funded solely by donations.
Looks like people are attacking the channel now - latest few videos are getting hammed with thumbs down, here is one posted an hour ago. Comments tend to show it is the Colin Defence Force.
fuck, I hate the organized hate campaigns by gamers so much. What an incredibly depressing and sad world we live in that these people are so hateful and angry.
Square Triangle
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NeoGAF has hit peak ludicrous
ScientificPizza
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While I dont like the channel, at all, while I find Colin a pretentious asshole, him leaving will ultimately change Kinda Funny's dynamics, it became an echo-chamber. He added fair counterpoints to Greg's overly optimistic nature.
If this has anything to do with the stupid Dad Joke Colin made(it's too much of a coincidence), then it was a really, really, asshole-ish decision by Greg. Kinda Funny has been in total damage control mode, over a simple, stupid, joke. It's pathetic.
They should learn a thing or two with Yoko Taro on how to deal with non-controversies. The way he dealt with 2B's butt-versy was masterful.
If this has anything to do with the stupid Dad Joke Colin made(it's too much of a coincidence), then it was a really, really, asshole-ish decision by Greg. Kinda Funny has been in total damage control mode, over a simple, stupid, joke. It's pathetic.
They should learn a thing or two with Yoko Taro on how to deal with non-controversies. The way he dealt with 2B's butt-versy was masterful.
Being a libertarian is dependent on thinking racism and sexism are either over or not a problem worth trying to fix (other than letting the market fix it). So it may not mean being alt right, but it does mean likely agreeing with the foundation of alt right / white supremacy stuff.
Vince tweeted that he was laid off. It would make sense for current employees to avoid talking about a situation like that.
He literally said the opposite of what you're saying multiple times. He doesn't want no taxation. Are you just making complete assumptions on his character by looking at his twitter name? He literally said he doesn't want zero taxes, as that would mean anarchy which is not what he wants. Be fair.
admiraltaftbar
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You are lucky not everyone can draw the attention of Donald Trump.
TheLostBigBoss
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that's a pretty silly way to view everything.
They get payed by people to produce content. It's not in a conventional way, but trying to spin it around and say it's a handout is disingenuous (and also not really the argument he talks about with government money vs personal money)
That's his audience these days. It's a bit scary.
Hopefully all of them follow Colin away from KF and gaming to whatever he does next.
Ahh fair enough.
This thread is a genuine mine field.
I think you may need a lie down mate.
If you think him calling for the end of all taxes whatsoever. 0% taxes and a government with no budget and no ability to provide any services at all isn't calling for anarchy then I don't know what would qualify to you.
Infinite economic growth will pick up the slack. /s
H.Cornerstone
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Except Colin has NEVER said these things.
Spiral Insanity
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I literally lol-ed. I mean, that's his goddamn handle on Twitter.
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