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[TetraGenesis]

Has anybody seen this post on 9gag:

What an amazing difference! They should hire that guy!

Bullshit. Those do not look better. The designs/captures for those characters are excellent. Attractive but unique and expressive. It's the models and animoppooation that ruin them. Poor facial rigging, terrible textures, rubbery skin, painted-on eyes, plaster-rigid hair.

Those "improvements" look just as fake in an equal but opposite way. That's not the narrative that we should be pushing. That these women are ugly. It's that the tech (and technical craftsmanship) is poor.

 

[ironcreed]

Jeeez, Bioware getting roasted. It's beginning to look like another Dragon Age 2 if the reviewers are mediocre as well.

Dragon Age II was not this undercooked and sloppy. It was just rushed with too many assets being reused over and over. Other than that it is actually a good game.

 

[Plumpbiscuit]

That's day and night difference, the ones on the right look much more humanoid, realistic and so much better.

 

[Lonnie413]

Bullshit. Those do not look better. The designs/captures for those characters are excellent. Attractive but unique and expressive. It's the models and animoppooation that ruin them. Poor facial rigging, terrible textures, rubbery skin, painted-on eyes, plaster-rigid hair.

Those "improvements" look just as fake in an equal but opposite way. That's not the narrative that we should be pushing. That these women are ugly. It's that the tech (and technical craftsmanship) is poor.

Now, now. I'm not sure it's just the poor rigging that makes Peebee look like Shrek. It might just be a bad design.

 

[i-Lo]

Has anybody seen this post on 9gag:

What an amazing difference! They should hire that guy!

To me:

PeeBee's transformation looks a touch too try hard and she looked fine from the start save those eyes (from the new build) which could use improvement. Again, a large part is due to the lack of sub par hair and alien skin + tattoo which helps sell "alien" and "normal" at the same time.

As for Ryder, only two features from the new transformation can fundamentally alter how believable she looks: The shading under the hair and the eyes. The rest of the transformation yet again looks a touch too pandering.

Someone who is competent at photoshop can do it and see it for themselves.

 

[Mergesort]

Bullshit. Those do not look better. The designs/captures for those characters are excellent. Attractive but unique and expressive. It's the models and animoppooation that ruin them. Poor facial rigging, terrible textures, rubbery skin, painted-on eyes, plaster-rigid hair.

Those "improvements" look just as fake in an equal but opposite way. That's not the narrative that we should be pushing. That these women are ugly. It's that the tech (and technical craftsmanship) is poor.

Why so butthurt? I was just stating my opinion. Or, uhm, did you forget the "/s"?

 

[Hoo-doo]

To me:

PeeBee's transformation looks a touch too try hard and she looked fine from the start save those eyes which could use improvement. Again, a large part is due to the lack of sub par hair and alien skin + tattoo which helps sell "alien" and "normal" at the same time.

As for Ryder, only two features from the new transformation can fundamentally alter how believable she looks: The shading under the hair and the eyes. The rest of the transformation yet again looks a touch too pandering.

Someone who is competent at photoshop can do it and see it for themselves.

Can anyone shop just the eyes of the photoshopped Ryder on the original model? I'm convinced that the eyes alone are going to be a hell of a change already.

Old Ryder doesn't look ugly. She doesn't look like a convincing human being.

 

[diaspora]

Whew, this is now turning into a thread about the women not being pretty enough rather than silly expressions and eye textures.

 

[stan423321]

"My face is tired from dealing with everything"

What does that even mean? Who says that?

Maybe it's actually a CDi\YTP reference that no one got because of crowd mismatch and the atmosphere induced by the animations? There have been thousands of things said about faces there.

 

[Hoo-doo]

Whew, this is now turning into a thread about the women not being pretty enough rather than silly expressions and eye textures.

No it is not. Stop acting like it is.

 

[diaspora]

What's the smell like with one's head so far up their own ass? It happened with Sera and Cassandra in DA3 and it's happened with PB now.

 

[Hoo-doo]

What's the smell like with one's head so far up their own ass? It happened with Sera and Cassandra in DA3 and it's happened with PB now.

I don't care what happened back then, i'm telling you what I think about ME:A.

Ryder does not look ugly. Ryder's facial model, especially her eyes, just look misshapen and poorly designed. It's simply not how a human face moves or how human eyes look, regardless of how attractive she is as a runway model.

That one photoshop from Reddit is not the crux of the argument on GAF. In fact, plenty of people here are decidedly against the standardized 10/10 supermodels that plague games.
But asking the main human protagonist to have a face that actually comes across as believably human in a game that relies so damn heavily on conversations and emotional cues is not too much to ask.

 

[V1ctIm]

I was reallllly looking forward to an exciting new sci-if space opera and hoping that Bioware had learned from how the original trilogy was received by the end, but these animations and character models are seriously hampering the wonder I was so looking forward to experiencing. I'll wait for a bunch of reviews to come in before making my final decision, but this feels like my first major disappointment of an already fantastic year in gaming. :-/

 

[nynt9]

Seems like the uncanny valley is too complicated a concept to understand for some people, it has to be about beauty and sexism.

The male characters in this game look like garbage too. Everything looks bad, and it's because they don't look human. They all have dead eyes and misfigured faces and animate like broken animatronic puppets.

 

[Nikodemos]

Can anyone shop just the eyes of the photoshopped Ryder on the original model? I'm convinced that the eyes alone are going to be a hell of a change already.

Old Ryder doesn't look ugly. She doesn't look like a convincing human being.

PeeBee though really does look like Shrek in that still. Though her instagramification is equally bad.

And all their animations are borked.

 

[TetraGenesis]

Why so butthurt? I was just stating my opinion. Or, uhm, did you forget the "/s"?

You keep using words like "triggered" and "butthurt" when people disagree with you. Do you realize how much of a child you sound like?

 

[Mergesort]

Can anyone shop just the eyes of the photoshopped Ryder on the original model? I'm convinced that the eyes alone are going to be a hell of a change already.

Old Ryder doesn't look ugly. She doesn't look like a convincing human being.

I want to see this too. Someone capable enough for this job?

 

[Dunkley]

Man left side is just as ugly as everyone on the planet when they accidentally activate front cam while trying to take a photo while right side is how the actor portraying them would look if Hollywood would make a movie about that.

I don't think the issue lies inherently within Ryder's face as much as the game's lighting and how poorly animated she is. She has moments in other scenes where she looks pretty normal and I don't think edging her face shape into Hollywood ideal territory would fix much as her animations would still be just as bad and the game's engine would still make her look unflattering outside of isolate cases where it doesn't.

 

[Lime]

Get the FOH with this sexist bullshit and stop derailing the thread. Take it elsewhere.

 

[Diabelli]

Can anyone shop just the eyes of the photoshopped Ryder on the original model? I'm convinced that the eyes alone are going to be a hell of a change already.

Old Ryder doesn't look ugly. She doesn't look like a convincing human being.

Quick and dirty job. It's definitely the eyes.

 

[FlutterPuffs]

Can anyone shop just the eyes of the photoshopped Ryder on the original model? I'm convinced that the eyes alone are going to be a hell of a change already.

Old Ryder doesn't look ugly. She doesn't look like a convincing human being.

Wouldn't help. There's still the problem with her smiling without any squint or eyebrows in the right place.

 

[Tensketch]

Annie are you okay? So Annie are you okay? Are you okay Annie?

 

[Nikodemos]

Quick and dirty job. It's definitely the eyes.

Now tone down the lighting a notch on the skin to make look less plastic-y. Maybe add a touch more tint to the skintone.

 

[Unaha-Closp]

Did we learn anymore about the embargo? Moved up? back?? Inquiring minds want to know! Also in regards the 'sexed' up pictures - give me ugly as fuck humans in video games as long as they look like humans and talk like humans and move like humans. We, I, don't need them to be super sexy and conforming to male beauty standards.

 

[eso76]

Has anybody seen this post on 9gag:

What an amazing difference! They should hire that guy!

Eh, so he could Photoshop every frame of the game ?
That's 2D static images Vs 3d animated models.

But the bright eyes and the lack of any shader whatsoever on their hair does make MEA characters look so weird.

 

[Kayhan]

Quick and dirty job. It's definitely the eyes.

So much better.

 

[TetraGenesis]

Did we learn anymore about the embargo? Moved up? back?? Inquiring minds want to know! Also in regards the 'sexed' up pictures - give me ugly as fuck humans in video games as long as they look like humans and talk like humans and move like humans. We, I, don't need them to be super sexy and conforming to male beauty standards.

Yeah, I really wanna know about this embargo drama. There's gotta be somebody willing to dish.

If it was up, well, I guess we'll find out soon enough. But if it was moved back... to release day? Hoooo boy.

 

[Lime]

I'm going to ask the mods to close the thread if this sexist bullshit and off-topic discussion continues. I don't want to see that image quoted any more.

 

[Flame Lord]

Both females are fine. They are, you know, just girls, not models. It's you guys, you have a problem with females in video games, they don't have to be sexy and gorgeous all the time...

Ryder is literally based off a model, both the male and female versions, and so have most main characters in the series as far as I know.

 

[enixbelmont]

Quick and dirty job. It's definitely the eyes.

Looks a hell of a lot better, like she could exist, but everything about her looks too puffy and plastic. Looks like she got too much botox or something.

I stand by the comparison image of Ryder looking better, and Peebee looking worse by far and missing the entire point of the character. Peebee looks fine in game other than the animations IMO. Ryder still doesn't.

 

[MikeDown]

I mean, Andromeda is a great game with silly faces sometimes. I liked DA2 but the issues it had are way worse.

maybe I have my rose colored glasses on, but how can you say DA2 is an objectively worse product that Andromeda? there is so much that DA2 does better, ranging from combat, to facial customization and story telling.


On a side note PeeBee I feel for the most part looks fine, maybe that is because she is an alien and we expect her to look somewhat different. With that said, regardless of weather or not Sarah Ryder was based loosely off a model or not, she looks nothing as natural as she did in the initial reveal

 

[Nokagi]

Quick and dirty job. It's definitely the eyes.

A lot better. The character eyes are clearly fucked up in this game. I don't know how hard it would be for BioWare to replace them all but it's a big part of the problem.

 

[RS4-]

For the Peebee and Ryder images that have been posted, it's just the eyes that needed fixing.

 

[Jezehbell]

Ryder is literally based off a model, both the male and female versions, and so have most main characters in the series as far as I know.

I know that, but in game... she's is pretty normal to me (stantard haircut, no make-up).

 

[WarrenD]

Did we learn anymore about the embargo? Moved up? back?? Inquiring minds want to know! Also in regards the 'sexed' up pictures - give me ugly as fuck humans in video games as long as they look like humans and talk like humans and move like humans. We, I, don't need them to be super sexy and conforming to male beauty standards.

Teawrex on twitch last night said it's for YouTube and twitch. Second planet and a little more can be shown (he didn't say what else as it's a spoiler according to him).

I believe reviews are still the same time.

 

[diaspora]

maybe I have my rose colored glasses on, but how can you say DA2 is an objectively worse product that Andromeda? there is so much that DA2 does better, ranging from combat, to facial customization and story telling.


On a side note PeeBee I feel for the most part looks fine, maybe that is because she is an alien and we expect her to look somewhat different. With that said, regardless of weather or not Sarah Ryder was based loosely off a model or not, she looks nothing as natural as she did in the initial reveal

Because Andromeda has objectively better gameplay, worlds, combat, and... so far almost everything barring the CC and sometimes silly faces.

 

[Hoo-doo]

Quick and dirty job. It's definitely the eyes.

And there we go, she actually looks more like a human being, without losing any of the uniqueness or expressiveness of her facial features.

She no longer looks frenzied like a meth addict with those bulging eyes.

 

[thumb]

I know that, but in game... she's is pretty normal to me (stantard haircut, no make-up).

Er, she's almost certainly wearing makeup. She's not wearing a lot of makeup, but it's there. Keep in mind that a "no makeup" makeup look is pretty popular right now, and many women wear at least some foundation or concealer.

See this closeup: http://anoncraft.com/wallpaper-download-full-size/?28886

 

[diaspora]

Quick and dirty job. It's definitely the eyes.

It was always the eyes. Inquisition certainly didn't have this specific issue.

 

[Diabelli]

Now tone down the lighting a notch on the skin to make look less plastic-y. Maybe add a touch more tint to the skintone.

?

 

[Mergesort]

There might be a patch incoming:

leaked changes

 

[Necron]

A lot better. The character eyes are clearly fucked up in this game. I don't know how hard it would be for BioWare to replace them all but it's a big part of the problem.

"As you once did for the vacuous Rom, grant us eyes, grant us eyes..."

It's definitely the eyes. I remember Uncharted 2 having really weird eye issues. Could something like that even be patched at this point?

EDIT: oh, post above mine already looks promising.

 

[i-Lo]

Quick and dirty job. It's definitely the eyes.

Thank you, kind sir. What a significant difference that makes!

Hell even the sub par hair isn't that hugely distracting.

 

[Unaha-Closp]

Teawrex on twitch last night said it's for YouTube and twitch. Second planet and a little more can be shown (he didn't say what else as it's a spoiler according to him).

I believe reviews are still the same time.

Okay thanks. Would have been very interesting if it had affected the review embargo lol

 

[Penox]

Did we learn anymore about the embargo? Moved up? back?? .

No embargo drama. Just people misinterpreting Twitter posts, as usual. It's explained here, in detail https://www.twitch.tv/videos/129490020?t=09m10s

 

[Hoo-doo]

There might be a patch incoming:

leaked changes

They smoothened out her jawline too, which is completely unnecessary.

 

[Nikodemos]

?

Hmm, nope. Adds too much graininess. Though might be an artifact of the quick-n-dirty process?

Though she does look almost human.

 

[FlutterPuffs]

They smoothened out her jawline too, which is completely unnecessary.

Much better. Did they also improved skin shaders?

All i want next is better application of makeup on the "My Face Is Tired" NPC. What they did was amateur tier.

 

[Diabelli]

Hmm, nope. Adds too much graininess. Though might be an artifact of the quick-n-dirty process?

Though she does look almost human.

Yep, someone else could definitely do a more professional job lol

 

[Mergesort]

?

Wow, what a simple but significant change!