NaDannMaGoGo
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One of the biggest issues, the too bright irides, remains, although it might not seem so apparent in the generally less lit screenshot.
A Compilation of Hilarious Animations in Mass Effect Andromeda
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One of the biggest issues, the too bright irides, remains, although it might not seem so apparent in the generally less lit screenshot.
Nikodemos
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Yeah, it's definitely artifacting from the software composer. It's actually pretty good, otherwise. Too many games use excessively bright lighting on their characters.
Interestingly, the more subdued lighting and darker skintone makes contrast between areas of her face more pronounced. That is a good thing. Makes her face less mannequin-like.
Human eye meet Bioware's Achilles heel
Has anybody seen this post on 9gag:
What an amazing difference! They should hire that guy!
Ryder looks much better to the right imo, more human. It's primarily the eyes. The new PB looks weirder. Prefer the original even if it's meh.
Yeah, I agree, but at least they improved on the eyes. They also removed some of the botox
Quick and dirty job. It's definitely the eyes.
Much better. It looks a lot better giving her human eyes.
ldcommando
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Has anybody seen this post on 9gag:
What an amazing difference! They should hire that guy!
Human looks better. Leave shrek alone though.
Quick and dirty job. It's definitely the eyes.
Yup. 100000% better than the original.
FlutterPuffs
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Yep.
Just because she doesn't fit my definition of attractive doesn't mean she should be changed.
Audioboxer
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:/
Well, compared to DA Origins it is a disaster. It was still Bioware and EA going way downhill from a previous entry. Frustrating as hell when companies manage to do this. On paper it's like, why can't you just take what fans and critics loved in your first game and expand on it? Or heck, even just copy it with a new story. Not every new entry needs to reinvent the wheel.
Bioware are so damn inconsistent. As I've said before, high highs, rock bottom lows.
Animations going wrong are more of a 'lol' than anything, but often them alongside a ton of bugs/glitches, isn't a great sign. At least technically, and for someone the size of Bioware/EA, we know they can do better technically. Big budgets, big studios and often a fair bit of time. This isn't some charity case shoe string budget dev.
I see... But still, it's very different from the original model. I didn't much pictures of her, tough.
Has anybody seen this post on 9gag:
What an amazing difference! They should hire that guy!
FemRyder looks leagues better, no doubt. Peebee on the other hand is taken much too far in the other direction. Somewhere in between Shrek and Supermodel doing cosplay would be the sweet spot.
Yep, his statement was so innocuous and of course many here blow it way up.
Has anybody seen this post on 9gag:
What an amazing difference! They should hire that guy!
Looks so much better and more natural.
For real, it's complete derailment.
George Oscar Bluth II
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Eyebrows have some low res texture work going on.
Nikodemos
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Along with eyes, mouths, lighting, animations...
Regarding facial structure, if the end result is so far removed, why did they even bother with a face model? Just use a generic composition. It's not like it would make the model look any more artificial than it already does.
Felix Lighter
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edit: fuck it. it will be dealt with if it needs to be.
broscientific
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I think he was referring to the screenshots of tweets you posted with it.
I'm not saying you share opinions with those two tweets but it's one thing to post about someone's lack of experience; doing so in the context of the person's physical appearance or social beliefs is wrong.
EA gave them time, money, and resources, what more could they have done?
I don't think many did, most just pointed out how dumb the statement was and personally I don't want to see him die on this hill as a long time viewer.
singhjeet29
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100% agree!
SuperBanana
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She worked at DHX Studios Vancouver, a computer animation company before joining Bioware.
Also, it's up to the head of the company to pass this stuff. They clearly did a shot job checking if the animation was up to quality and that's a company level issue. Not just one person. If I fuck up at my job my boss will call me out. He won't let it slide and leave a mess to deal with.
These bullshit witch hunts from GG scumbags do NOTHING to help.
Nice cropping of images to remove their source: "The Ralph Retort" which appears to be a pro-gamergate site that unironically uses "SJW" and Pepe the frog.
King Gilga
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DA2 had this member.
No human looks like that.
The first and only game where I used face replacement mods for companions, for her and that 4 foot emo try hard wannabe badass elf guy.
I also had to use mods just be be able to modify default hawke in the CC because every other face was literally objectively inferior quality/texture wise.
Also they gave my sister a bowl cut, a fucking bowl cut. I liked the game, but it had big issues.
What are you on about sara and Cassandra looked fine in DAI, with a simple hair mod Sera was gorgeous.
Quick and dirty job. It's definitely the eyes.
Yeah I've been saying this from like the first trailer with faces, it's always been mainly the eyes.
Reducing some of the overdone makeup would help too with certain characters, like that tired face woman.
Yeah, I agree, but at least they improved on the eyes. They also removed some of the botox
They didn't improve the eyes, they just changed the color and used darker lighting.
There's no simple solution if we assume that something has gone wrong. Maybe the animation technology chosen was incompatible from the get-go? Maybe the producers and management at Montreal thought that they didn't need to hire more animators and simply overworked the ones they had? Maybe scripts were constantly re-written and dialogues changed that the animation department couldn't keep up with? Maybe they just tried to outsource the majority of animations and got a faulty product in return? I honestly don't know, but animation is incredibly hard, so it's not about single individuals being untalented, but management and executives deciding that this is acceptable for release or choosing not to hire more people to help out with the kinks and warts.
The people in charge of hiring and project management and finally greenlighting this for release might have had the most power in making sure that facial animations were up to par.
My understanding is that inside a game studio, there can be multiple animation leads, and leads are not necessarily directors or management. But anyone who has direct experience, feel free to correct or elaborate.
broscientific
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Why are you policing a person's level of experience for a job that you aren't professionally connected to in any way?
The animation is bad, we get it. I don't understand the desire to single out a specific person. It comes across as childish and desperate to direct blame to a single person.
But the question has to be asked why the faces in Inquisition didn't have these issues. What you're describing seems entirely the fault of Montréal's management.
I agree that they looked great.
I hope you're right, it would make more sense if that's the case. Imagine how stressful it would be to have so much responsibility on a project with a 40 million budget with no experience, lol.
Edit: Looks like she has experience anyway, so guess it's no biggie either way.
Nikodemos
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This is something very important that doesn't get discussed often.
Whenever a studio increases in size, there's a temptation among upper management to bring in PMs and Coordinators that are not from within the games industry (speed, availability, salary etc.).
The problem with that is that those people are often unable to say "Yeah, no, this looks bad to me, sorry". They usually don't make qualitative statements regarding the product (and often feel they can't make them due to inexperience), concerning themselves only with the quantitative side (milestones, billing, remaining budget etc.)
broscientific
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The point is no one on this forum can purport to know the reason why the animation looks bad. There are many parts that go into producing it. You just were given multiple reasons why it could have been.
LordOfChaos
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Butt physics have regressed in 7 years
No shit. My point was that EA proper doesn't seem to be the main issue given how much latitude BioWare Montréal was given and that it looks like this is a problem that's in some way their fault.
Acquiescence
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Fires that gun so close to her ear, yet she doesn't jolt away the slightest bit.
Audioboxer
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Yeah, there's a good dose of jank/bugs and glitches in amongst questionable animations.
Just seems like something that has been rushed/shat out. This doesn't speak for the story, but it's disappointing to see from industry big boys like Bioware/EA.
You'd expect this level of jank from a European RPG like Gothic/Risen. It's probably going to dock points in reviews, even if the story is good. DA 2 was slaughtered for jank, crazy asset reuse and just generally being unfinished.
Isn't there even a crazy expensive collectors edition for this game, that comes without the game? lol
Nikodemos
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M-maybe it's a gyrojet gun? Those don't make a lot of noise when fired.
#graspthemstraws
TetraGenesis
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Thank you.
There are some themes starting to spawn in this thread that I very much do not like.
I'm so frustrated with the decision to ship rather than delay. Did EA think this would go over well in the age of social media? Assassin's Creed: Unity was absolutely shat on for its bugs and glitches. The internet made sure that they were spread far and wide. Ubisoft had to publicly apologize, offer free games to customers, and promise to fix the most egregious issues. How could EA watch that happen and then take this course of action?
NealMcCauley
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Quick and dirty job. It's definitely the eyes.
Boo. I like that the model looks like she's tripping major balls and thinks no one notices.
Audioboxer
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EA gonna EA. Big name IP, so they'll be hoping it will sell stupid amounts, and ship the expected season pass in good numbers too. Regardless of the state of the game.
Probably more of a care to try and spread more of the budget to MP as well (games as a service!!!11111).
We want MP in our ME game... said no one ever, even if it is okay. I know it was in ME3, but did anyone really give a shit about it? People play ME for the gripping science fiction multi-layered story. EA nuke that at their own peril, or slack on creating a compelling and polished narrative at their own peril. Reviews and response will be a DA 2 style bloodbath if that's the case here.
Right now even if the story is good and content is impressive, it's still going to get docked for a lack of polish. I mean jezus EA, night and day difference (dead eyes are the worst). Although animation and jank is worse than iffy looking faces/eyes.
Soul of the Beast
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George Oscar Bluth II
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Fix the eyes so they don't look like painted ping pong balls and you've solved like 75% of the problems coming from that character model.
Animation is a whole other thing that needs to be fixed.
Animation is a whole other thing that needs to be fixed.
Peroroncino
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Agree. I like bashing EA as much as the next person, but it doesn't seem like they were too much of an obstacle this time around, Bioware XYZ team had 5 years and a decent budget to make something amazing, so if anything, it's all on Bioware, because no competent person in charge of anything should be able to look at this and be "yup, that's fine, both writing and animations seem compelling".
TumblingHippo
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So you're just another drop in the bucket of why the tech industry is so toxic.
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