The PS4 and XB1 have much more storage space come standard.
Lego City Undercover Switch cover mentions 13GB download [Up3: Full game on card]
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The PS4 and XB1 have much more storage space come standard.
It's different because they can install from disc, this needs a supplement download from the eShop. Switch eShop goes away and this physical game is useless.
GraveRobberX
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So 8GB cart with a 5GB DL I'm guessing?
Begun the cart wars has!
Whatever GB version, take lowest cart GB possible, subtract and that how much you DL!
Honestly, I can't tell you if Nintendo is subsidizing some of the difference already. They very well could be.
Could publishers eat the cost? In most cases yes, although I can't speak for every situation.
plagiarize
Banned
Are you somewhere with internet or not? Not everyone has the luxury of no data caps. Not everyone has broadband internet wherever they game. Installing vs downloading is hardly insignificant.
JigglesBunny
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Mandatory 13GB download on a console with only 32GB of storage?
Shove it where the sun doesn't shine, WB.
Not a chance.
Shove it where the sun doesn't shine, WB.
Not a chance.
And godforbid you buy a copy to play on a long plane ride and don't know to download the rest of the game beforehand.
1) All of the core content is generally on the disc in those situation. Here, roughly 1/3 of the game is on the card and you have to download the other 2/3. You require an internet connection to download the vast majority of a full priced physical single player game.
2) Those installs are due to hardware limitations. The games would run like absolute shit straight off the disc. That's not the case with the game cards.
3) This is a portable device. You don't have the luxury of throwing high capacity, cheap laptop HDDs into it. Regardless of whether you view it as a home console or handheld first, it's a portable device and the expectations in some areas have to be measured in relation to that.
Marty Chinn
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It's not about the storage but the fact that you have an incomplete game. 10 years from now if the servers go down, your game isn't a coaster on a PS4 or Xbox One. This cartridge will be when it can't get 2/3rds of the game. This game requires the servers to be up and an Internet connection to function. A PS4 or Xbox One game can be disconnected from the Internet and the disc will still work and you can still play the game.
Ok that's fair, but how is that Nintendo's fault? Sounds like WB's just trying to be pricks about it.
shouamabane
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Isn't Dragon Quest Heroes on a 32GB card?
Don't get me wrong, when I say 'hold the thing entirely' I mean that you can jam the disc in and play without any internet connection.
Of course, there are many games that perform leagues ahead/gain content with a Day 1 patch, etc.... I can deal with that, because at least, you can just play the game anyway.
But in this very specific case, this practice basically makes the cartridge a useless, non-preservable piece of plastic that only serves as a key to download the game online.
AstroNut325
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From DRAMExchange:
Item Daily High Daily Low Session High Session Low Session Average Session Change History
MicroSD 16G C4 (Major Brand) 5.00 4.80 5.00 4.80 4.895
0.00 % [Historical Price Chart]
MicroSD 8G C4 (Major Brand) 3.70 3.48 3.70 3.48 3.535
0.00 % [Historical Price Chart]
OEM MicroSD 16G C4-C6 5.00 3.70 5.00 3.70 4.400
0.00 % [Historical Price Chart]
OEM MicroSD 8G C4-C6 3.60 2.85 3.60 2.85 3.339
0.00 %
The jump to 16GB isn't free. And this is your standard microSD in large volume. Add the proprietary stuff for Nintendo and the smaller volume. The cost difference is likely greater.
No corporation is simply going to eat that cost.
And investing into better compression isn't going to happen. It's not needed anywhere else. So it would have to be an investment that a developer/publisher have to make just for the Switch. The internal rate of return for such a thing would be well below expectations.
This is simply Nintendo's decisions coming to bite them in the rear.
I largely expect this issue to work itself out over time. The cost of cards will go down, and as the amount of software on the system goes up, publishers will feel less emboldened to pull stuff like this.
But in the meantime, the Switch needs software.
Err... I'm on the side of WB being the problem?... You asked for a reason as to why this is shitty, I gave you some. I didn't say anything about it being on Nintendo.
Nintendo didn't make us download 5GB of BOTW because they wanted to cut costs on the cards.
I will say those cost comparisons aren't really indicative of anything.
I hear ya. That was more of a response of people blaming Nintendo for WB being shitty. It's clear they're trying to max out the profits of this game as much as they can when they're charging $60 for a four year old game.
Marty Chinn
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That puts faith that the publishers won't try to save as much as possible by always opting for a lower capacity cart if the market accepts this as the norm. $1 times 500k copies is still half a million saved to the publisher. So despite higher capacity carts getting cheaper, lower capacity carts will still always be cheaper than the higher ones. So there's always money that can be saved. Money saved might still be something to factor in given the possibility of lower sales to maximize profits on the platform.
Nintendo shares part of the blame because they certify and approve every game before it gets released. It's their policies and approval process that is allowing this to happen. They have all the power to say no to this practice but aren't.
pixelation
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lololololol, this is wrong on so many levels.
Should be noted that the game cards are a different type of memory that should be cheaper than re-writable flash memory lol. They don't even have writable sectors for save data.
AlexFlame116
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Have they responded to this at all? Or is it still too new?
While somewhat true, it's also extremely reductive. I imagine the 8 GB will be retired at some point, for example. And again, consumer acceptance of the practice will help to determine publishers' actions as well. 500K doesn't take that much to make up in sales.
GraveRobberX
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Nintendo is ok with
Slippery slope
If WB gets aaay with what's stopping others
Hell one poster brought up a good point
Why not Konami it up, buy 1GB carts, put installer/key as the cart
Make end user DL full game
Then keep cart into play there "retail game"
So you have the worst possible outcome your retail/digital hybrid
None of the good from both sides lol
Watch Ubisoft be the first to implement this
Marty Chinn
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Consumers accept and normalize shitty practices all the time because they shrug it off as no big deal or minor without seeing the bigger picture until it's too late. You're putting faith on consumers being smart, and publishers not being greedy when the opposite tends to be the reality. We need not look further than how DLC has evolved or Free To Play.
I'm actually not putting faith in anything, I'm baseing everything I'm saying on hands on experience, and making clearly marked predictions, not claiming to tell the future.
GraveRobberX
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Companies will always look for lowest common denominator
If 4GB goes away and say 2GB hangs around and 16GB doesn't move into 4GB price territory, you know publishers will go towards 2GB even if that sounds absurd
Nintendo should have set guidelines
Only on emergency basis could this tactic be used
If this becomes norm, other pubs will see how much more than can get away with
Ninty makes money from fees, pub makes money regardless from selling their game, it's the end user who gets assed out
If Ninty us stern, pubs will pull plug or back off, if Ninty lulls they will see their ecosystem get abused
Each company is looking out for themselves first and foremost, customers are like low on that totem pole
Marty Chinn
Member
Your predictions are optimistic which again relies on consumers being smart and not accepting this practice, and publishers to not be greedy. Again, look how DLC and Free to Play has evolved. Those are examples of how these things play out.
You don't see the difference between a mandatory install (from a disc, internet not required) vs a mandatory downloaded patch because the physical version of a game is sold incomplete?
Has there been another console game ever before sold physically that wasn't playable? I guess I'm excluding online only games like destiny.
So just dont bring your games to the Switch then if you dont want to deal with Nintendo's hardware decisions? Another WiiU 3rd Party support generation if thats the case
The beautiful part is that we don't have to buy the game and can fight against this by not paying them. The funny thing is that buying the game on the PS4 or XBO, still gives WB the victory. Vote with your wallets, people.
Still, if you're gonna own a NS, then you should invest in a microSD card regardless. Patches will happen....
Maintenance
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32 vs 500gb.
EDIT: Funny to see people going from "I'm physical anyway, doesn't concern me" about the storage before launch to "well, day one patches, everyone gotta get a SD card".
FerretGamer
Member
Damn, had this pre-ordered. Time to cancel and move the money to other releases.
I hate when companies do idiotic crap like this and WB lost a sale. :/
I hate when companies do idiotic crap like this and WB lost a sale. :/
I can actually promise you that some DLC and free to play practices that have been proposed and developed for console and PC games have been killed because of consumer reaction to other such practices.
Marty Chinn
Member
People should already expect third party support to be sparse. The focus on indies is a good move to offset this as much as possible, but the ship for traditional third party support has sailed and people need to accept that reality with the Switch.
GraveRobberX
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Hell even Destiny you can trick into making the game full digital playable
Have your Disc installed game
Go download the free trial, viola now you have access to the whole digital version of Destiny, no reason to keep your Disc in anymore (I maybe missing a step here, just look it up)
Hell Paragon the free to play MOBA for pc and PS4, disc just has the launcher inside of it, nothing else
You DL game, never need the Disc ever again, most are buying for the goodies/bonuses you net for buying retail copy
And they stack!
Undead Fantasy
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This shit makes day one patches look OK. At least without the download I can still play a game.
If third parties follow suit then the Switch will be my Nintendo only machine. Fuck this practice.
If third parties follow suit then the Switch will be my Nintendo only machine. Fuck this practice.
plagiarize
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How much do you think it cost WB to port this game to the switch as part of it's multiplatform release?
Please explain to me why it needs to be a full retail game, and how even at that price point they have to save $1.50 (being really fair to you here) on manufacturing costs for each copy in order to make the whole thing worthwhile?
Because that argument doesn't hold water.
Ok. That's not what I meant. I worded it incorrectly.
Has there ever been a console game that had a MANDATORY patch? A game literally unplayable/incomplete without s patch despite being sold physically.
Obviously almost all games have patches now. But they aren't mandatory. You could never connect to the internet and play the game, albeit a worse version.
But I can't think of many/any (excluding mmo/online only games) games that werent playable in their physical retail form.
It's not a patch, it's 2/3rds of the damn game. A day-one patch would be shitty but acceptable, but if you buy a game it better damn well be on the card/disk otherwise why even buy physical?
No doubt "people" should, but will/can Nintendo accept it?
I would wager the Switch will sell more that the WiiU, but will it sell enough to satisfy Nintendo to remain in the hardware/console space?
The WiiU was a great console for the "people" (at least I enjoyed it for its 1st Party Games), but Im sure is was not so great for Nintendo the business
Point stands: something to download, even if it is a requirement to play. I have zero intention of getting this game until it's under $20. Nintendo may deserve criticism for their cartridge decisions (I don't think they do, but I see the argument) but for WB to get away with charging this kind of shit for their port is ludicrous.
GraveRobberX
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Thing is you can do that on healthy stable platforms
Ninty is reeling, they want to get back on track
Do you think if people go no I won't buy, then pub goes fine, there's no demand, then what?
You go back into the stupid cycle fiasco Ninty is trying to get out of
Buy Ninty hardware for Ninty games, some "exclusive" third party/indie games
Most publishers scoff and throw shovel ware or dilapidated titles
Why invest in a dead system that doesn't support our greedy outlook...
We're ok making money on the other 3 platforms, we're ok
This ain't a day-one patch though, to equate the two is dishonest.
My point is WB deserves to get shit on because this shit is unacceptable.