Vincent Alexander
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Word. Also, I think a chunk of people are joking, or simply having some fun with names like Xbox One Pro-er. I personally love the nicknames.
Digital Foundry: Xbox Scorpio
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Vital Tundra
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I don't think that's happening. Microsoft seems content with shutting down studios and projects. They'll have their usually stuff and that'll be it.
Because the video is just marketing bullshit. DF has no idea how developers will use the power of this system. They just pretend that they know something
The term you are looking for is "sponsored content".
It technically is a form of marketing, but based on facts. It's sponsored content from MS and DF is benefiting from the deal by having exclusivity over the official tech dump. It's hard data, but sounds mostly like something written for a Press Release.
Plus, the bump is there, but it's basically the same as the jump from PS4 to the Pro. The RAM will do a good lot, but my guess is that anything patched out for Scorpio will focus more on 4k than solid 60fps. I'm also not expecting 4k60 on this thing unless they make some concessions. Even with the larger RAM pool, faster RAM, and larger GPU, the CPU holds it back.
It's good jump, but not the stellar leap that I think a lot of people in this thread claim it to be.
cartoon_soldier
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The word kinect is not used.
Yay
Yay
The Artisan
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if it is 400 then i'm definitely interested in this shit. never owned an xbox and sounds like this fuckin thing is a powerhouse, haven't even watched the video yet.
although to be fair, i think phil spencer did say devs can make scorpio exclusives if they want.
It's not "just jaguar". It's based on it with a lot of customization. So ignore people that try to act like it's the exact same CPU.
Watch the videos.
Savantcore
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That's including VAT. For reference, the $499 Xbox One was £430 in 2013. I reckon it'll be the same again this time round, maybe a shade cheaper.
Really impressed by the video. I didn't think it would be possible for MS to do native 4K 60 FPS, but from that Forza demo it looks like they will be able to do it even without fully utilizing the GPU.
Microsoft looks like it will be delivering on all their hardware promises. Now they just need to deliver some 1st party exclusive announcements at E3 and they could have a hit on their hands. I won't buy a Scorpio if Microsoft continues with Play Anywhere, but hopefully they will also improve the Windows store and quality of their PC ports.
Microsoft looks like it will be delivering on all their hardware promises. Now they just need to deliver some 1st party exclusive announcements at E3 and they could have a hit on their hands. I won't buy a Scorpio if Microsoft continues with Play Anywhere, but hopefully they will also improve the Windows store and quality of their PC ports.
skyfinch
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So... what were you hoping for? With only two days of work from the devs, it's capable of playing games like Forza 6 at native 4k, 60fps, with ~30% GPU power to spare. What else do you need from this thing?
Yeah, and forza 6 is still an impressive looking xbox one game. 1080 and a solid 60fps with 24 cars. It's incredible that scorpio pushes it to 4k 60fps with power to spare.....all in 2 days.
How thr fuck is this not impressive to some? How many ps4pro games are native 4k, let alonr, 4k 60fps.
Awesome image, thanks.
SomedayTheFire
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yeah I found his posts on Scorpio... odd.
Not with that CPU, it isn't. But it'll definitely help with sustaining 4K resolutions in games, with better AA/AF, textures and other typically GPU driven aspects of graphics
Enthusiast level console.
People hyped themselves up for ryzen.
TylerDurden4321
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The chip might be cheaper than we think, but the additional ram and cooler... it's definitely not $399. Might get it $450, but if I had to bet, I'd say $499 with 1 game or 3 older Xbox One games.
They could also think about what Pachter said at Xbox One launch and add Xbox Live for a year, seeing as Microsoft's MP is free on PC anyway.
gaming_noob
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Sneaker was right. But this is still pretty amazing!
Sectorseven
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Do I want this if I game at 1080?
King Gilga
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I expected nothing and I received nothing.
Jaguar and Polaris based. They went with the sensible route I see.
This thing will not cost a penny over $399.98 regardless of what the article suggests, I still believe.
HDMI 2.1 inclusion is very welcome and great to see making it's way into consumer electronics btw! Most likely the best bit for me since I can't fucking wait till consoles fully incorporate VRR. This will be a game changer in the future consoles, you don't even know.
This thing will not cost a penny over $399.98 regardless of what the article suggests, I still believe.
HDMI 2.1 inclusion is very welcome and great to see making it's way into consumer electronics btw! Most likely the best bit for me since I can't fucking wait till consoles fully incorporate VRR. This will be a game changer in the future consoles, you don't even know.
MeisterLeder
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Wat?
Most Multiplatform games have a PC version which already has the higher res textures and models etc... It wont be much work to use this for a Scorpio version.
Rise of the TR is a good example. PS4 Pro still had the OG PS4 textures instead of higher quality ones used on PC.
Suburban Thug
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Probably the guy downplaying the video, calling it an advertisement, and trying to convince people not to buy it?
You know, you. That is concern trolling. Me not owning any Xbox products is because they failed to convince me to choose a One over the PS4. I held off on PS4 Pro to see what Scorpio would be like.
Stop derailing.
Specs look powerful. Now it's time for developers to shine - if they won't be able to use that increase of power reasonably (all games have to be working on normal X1 as well, right?), I don't really think people will care...
Plus, we are probably like 1,5 year from next generation, so Scorpio doesnt really have THAT much time before Sony strikes back with something even more impressive.
Plus, we are probably like 1,5 year from next generation, so Scorpio doesnt really have THAT much time before Sony strikes back with something even more impressive.
because people assume that microsoft and sony use stock parts you buy from amazon.
GHG
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Well... This is awkward.
Bitch Pudding
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It is indeed, but at the same time it has "secret sauce" written all over it, once again.
How so? Clearly HZD looks better than anything my 1080 6700K PC machine can deliver.
Daffy Duck
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By all accounts, yes.
Stone Ocean
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Hell no, but it'll be pretty good.
josecitoxnyo
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I'm not impressed by the specs tbh.
The Artisan
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i think aa means anti aliasing but i don't know what you mean by af
isn't that what they say about ps4 pro?
The line between tech analysis and advertising is pretty blurry
Dark10x, I hope you guys are having an internal discussion about the implications of this reveal. Just for future analysis.
Even after PS5/XB2 are out - PS4/Pro, One/Scorpio will get games for quite a while.
Doubt software publishers or hardware provider are looking forward to start at zero again.
Resident_UA
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I need to see that person who will be upgrading from PS4 Pro to Scorpio. I do agree that this is a great product on its own, but lets be honest here it is hard to justify Scorpio purchase when you already have Pro. This might change, but on paper (and from what developers already did on these systems) I would not expect multiplatforms to be that much better on Scorpio.
It's all about the war
funkystudent
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Sounds more like a xbox one pro then I expected.
Very much like what if the ps4 pro was out 1 year later. I fully expect a 399 price.
On the plus side it shouldn't have a problem existing along side the current xb1.
Very much like what if the ps4 pro was out 1 year later. I fully expect a 399 price.
On the plus side it shouldn't have a problem existing along side the current xb1.
Games will be much more, stable, sharper and detailed if devs optimse their games properly.
LordBaztion
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me listening to the specs video
GraveRobberX
Platinum Trophy: Learned to Shit While Upright Again.
Quarter 4 I heard in the vid
Guessing Holidays?
Destiny 2 will be 2-3 months old by then, first DLC would be releasing though
Can Crusher
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Its clearly a far cry from what some were preachind. Doesn't really present itself as something capable of converting non xbox gamers.
Games will be the real test, as always.
Games will be the real test, as always.
Rellik
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Not unless your CPU is trash.,
Yes, but let's be realistic for a second...
Sony has been going on and on about GPGPU, and offloading CPU tasks to the GPU since the initial PS4 reveal..and it has certainly helped developers (mostly first party) do things that wouldn't have been able to do without it..it hasn't been Earth shattering...
Of course Scorpio will be able to do it to a further extent than either OG PS4 or Pro, that goes without saying..let's not pretend that all of a sudden this thing is gonna perform like a Kaby Lake CPU because it's designed to offload CPU tasks to other hardware
Seems a very good upgrade from the OG Xbone, and mostly in line with what I've read many technical posters on Gaf imagine the system to be.
I like that downsampling is a system wide feature, wish the Pro had that!
Reading a few of the Eurogamer articles, it reads like the system will be around $500 considering the tech and emphasis on "premium customer'' by the MS dudes.
At such a high price, I don't see the system making waves beyond US/UK and a few other random markets.
I like that downsampling is a system wide feature, wish the Pro had that!
Reading a few of the Eurogamer articles, it reads like the system will be around $500 considering the tech and emphasis on "premium customer'' by the MS dudes.
At such a high price, I don't see the system making waves beyond US/UK and a few other random markets.
The bit that would make me wonder about 399 is the memory. Not sure how RAM prices are these days or what it means for motherboard complexity/size.
Otherwise I'd say it has a very good chance of hitting that number. Yes, it's a bigger GPU than Pro, but it's a year down the road on the other side also...surely that brings some cost savings?
Depending on that, the memory factor..I wouldn't rule out 399 yet. MS wouldn't make money on it, but it would be a good point to reach if they can. I think Scorpio is a much more attractive box vs the base Xbox One than PS4 Pro is to PS4 (which is as much about the relative value of the base boxes than the upgrades, to be fair to PS4 Pro), but 399 would still be a safer choice to aim for than 499 or even 449.
Otherwise I'd say it has a very good chance of hitting that number. Yes, it's a bigger GPU than Pro, but it's a year down the road on the other side also...surely that brings some cost savings?
Depending on that, the memory factor..I wouldn't rule out 399 yet. MS wouldn't make money on it, but it would be a good point to reach if they can. I think Scorpio is a much more attractive box vs the base Xbox One than PS4 Pro is to PS4 (which is as much about the relative value of the base boxes than the upgrades, to be fair to PS4 Pro), but 399 would still be a safer choice to aim for than 499 or even 449.