CNBC: US military has launched more than 50 missiles aimed at Syria: NBC News
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The Technomancer
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What a progressive icon ladies and gents
Corbyn is a knob and just like all these other politicians who don't have to actually make the decision they can take a backseat approach.
I don't know how many more chances Assad needs to kill people with sarin and chlorine before they're expected to respond and say enough is enough.
even if this strike is symbolic it's still needed to happen because sitting back and allow this to continue after the claimed to have got rid of their stockpiles is totally unacceptable. They had their one chance.
The missiles were for Assad, not ISIS. We've been fighting this multi front proxy war for 5 years and we've been losing it if you consider the removal of Assad to be instrumental to our interests.
Hari Seldon
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I haven't been following this overnight. Is it known if the Russians did try to shoot the missiles down?
No they won't because this is not meant as a way to change Alassad.
Missile strikes are like porn to the media here in America. It's absolutely disgusting to see the frothing at the mouth and glee over this shit. To say that we are in an incredibly dangerous situation right now is an understatement.
primasaurus
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Great more conflict and less capacity to fight ISIS
What reason would Assad possibly have to do this when he was only seeing things improve for him, makes no sense, the motive is not there, as least not from him
What reason would Assad possibly have to do this when he was only seeing things improve for him, makes no sense, the motive is not there, as least not from him
Dubbedinenglish
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The single biggest thing you could do to save civilian lives is to stop Assad's Air Force. They are the ones (along with Russia) targeting hospitals and food distribution, indiscriminate barrel bombs, and targeting civilian infrastructure like water pumps. This was a token strike that they were warned about.
Audioboxer
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It's funny seeing Farage commenting, though
That's what caught me off guard waking up this morning. The amount of pro-Trump support eviscerating him for this. Then there are some anti-Trump folks having to concede on this one decision lol.
I think it's obvious from my posts in here I personally back a warning like this for Assad, given the recent chemical attacks. However, the real criticism of Trump still remains on heavy-handed immigration bans and handling of refugees (as I said earlier the actual victims of these conflicts, not smokescreens about WW3 between US/Russia). I don't really think America is in the wrong for this individual strike, and so far a decent amount of Global response backs that thought. Ironically, not a lot of the Trump supporters
Trying to figure out if that is partly because Hillary backs action like this and they're all losing their minds at the thought of lining up with her on something. I mean I get anti-War and anti-Conflict stances (I'm for UK nuclear disarmament), as well as peace talks standing over simply using military intervention. However, this isn't new from Assad, and repeated use of chemical weapons is a serious, global offence.
Last_colossi
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So war then?
He's a dangerously maniacal war criminal with zero remorse who wants to wage a war of terror against his own citizens? Just like his father?
I don't think you are quite getting my meaning. We were discussing Trump's irrationality and the problems that can occur with him in charge. Assad leaving or staying doesn't change much and now Trump has to decide what to do from there.
Netherscourge
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I'm starting to wonder if those missiles actually did much damage.
I see video clips of damaged hangars with what looks like untouched warplanes still inside.
It sounds like Syria was tipped off and had just enough time to move a lot of their warplanes into shelters.
What I don't understand is why Trump tipped them off. He's been bitching about letting the enemy know ahead of time about "secret attacks" and then he goes and lets Syria and Russia know about this one ahead of time.
Did we have any indication of casualties yet? Or the number of damaged planes or supply/command buildings?
I really hope this wasn't just a show of force. 1 Cruise missile costs $832,000 to make and we launched 59 of them - but at what? Empty hangars? Abandoned runways?
Assad is still alive and there's no indication that he's been deterred, or that his chemical weapons have been destroyed.
I see video clips of damaged hangars with what looks like untouched warplanes still inside.
It sounds like Syria was tipped off and had just enough time to move a lot of their warplanes into shelters.
What I don't understand is why Trump tipped them off. He's been bitching about letting the enemy know ahead of time about "secret attacks" and then he goes and lets Syria and Russia know about this one ahead of time.
Did we have any indication of casualties yet? Or the number of damaged planes or supply/command buildings?
I really hope this wasn't just a show of force. 1 Cruise missile costs $832,000 to make and we launched 59 of them - but at what? Empty hangars? Abandoned runways?
Assad is still alive and there's no indication that he's been deterred, or that his chemical weapons have been destroyed.
Nobody is in a dangerous situation now. No Russian soldiers were killed or injured because they were warned before. Russia didn't go to war with Turkey and they shot a russian jet. They are not going to war with the biggest super power in the world because a base for Alassad was bombed.
I don't trust Trump's judgement one tiny iota, but this specific strike seems to me to be the best we could have hoped for from a military response and what happens from here largely depends on Russia and Assad.
Get real. Fucking shots have been fired and the situation over there is a tinderbox. There is no grand conspiracy going on.
ClosingADoor
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They had to let Russia know, so there wouldn't be any Russian casualties.
Lol this is hilarious, wtf
Well we'll see, this by itself is unlikely to get Assad to leave. Now Trump has to decide what to do next.
The usual morons coming out to defend Assad. "Whatever his sins he is secular" Jesus Christ.
There maybe nothing that Trump can or should do next other than diplomatic pressure.
There are no easy wins in Syria at the moment.
There maybe nothing that Trump can or should do next other than diplomatic pressure.
There are no easy wins in Syria at the moment.
leatherhat
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With the American government the end result will always be war. They've never seen a situation they didn't want to bomb.
You understand war with Assad means an alliance with Al Queda and ISIS right?
We can only hope not. But there are so many players involved that it could ultimately draw Russia in. You have Iran, Hezbollah, Isis and the many splinter factions that could do something, then we attack again and round and round we go. Wars have been started over far less. Basically, it's a shit stew over there and stirring it is not exactly a good idea.
And since Russians were at the base, they let Syria know right? So Trump essentially warned Assad that they were gunna attack and where?
No, it means war with Assad, who happens to be fighting AQ and ISIS. I doubt we'll be coordinating forces and issuing joint strikes with terrorist organizations.
Syrian troops might've been tipped off by the evacuation of Russian assets :lol
It was the only option to avoid Russian casualties.
leatherhat
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The US will call them rebels.
Lol WTF is this
k_hand: FreedomFighter
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I thought the Ghouta attack made no sense and I think it's more likely that the "moderate rebels" did it. But Assad had more of a reason to use them in that situation because he was losing and desperate. I just wasn't buying that Assad would wait until UN observers were on the ground to use the weapons right in their vicinity. I just couldn't get past that and more inclined to believe that Hersh's account is correct.
This latest attack is even MORE senseless. Use chemical weapons to provoke the wrath of the West while you're mopping up Wahabi/Salafi headchoppers in Hama and Idlib the day before peace talks resume in Geneva AND the West had come off of the regime change goal just days prior?
It just doesn't make sense...
US is already at war with ISIS so any attack from them won't change anything. Alassad is basically Russia's bitch now and as long as they're ok with the attack Alassad won't do shit. Hezbollah on the other hand have a history of attacking the US before but I don't they're stupid enough to start a war they don't need to start especially since they already have one against the rebels.
GutsOfThor
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Can you blame them? Look at how easy it is to get people to rally around the flag.
leatherhat
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Who do you think Assad is fighting?
ClosingADoor
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Yes. Trump just discovered all his bullshit about not letting enemies know about attacks doesn't really work that way in modern warfare all the time.
leatherhat
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The bipartisan support for this and the praise from the media is disgusting.
Well yeah that's what I'm saying. Do we even know how much damage was done, considering Syria knew this attack was coming?
AQ, ISIS, Kurds, His own citizens.
Carpe Libertatem
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Trump's administration basically gave him the green light to do as he pleases, so he was clearly just seeing how far he could go. It makes plenty of sense actually.
Spartancarver
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You literally asked him how old he was.
Did you hit your head recently? Maybe see a doctor.
PS, Im a doctor, but I'm also under 30 so probably too young for you sorry
The damage was likely extremely limited considering the number of missiles launched. They probably lost a few million gallons of gas and have some damaged infrastructure, limiting the airfield's capabilities for a few weeks.
Precisely, which is why having a manchild in charge is a recipe for disaster. If nothing is done after this then what has been accomplished? Nothing. A base has been destroyed but Russia will continue to prop up the Assad regime.
Calamari41
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There's definitely an actual plan to take out all of Assad's airfields. This first one was to send the message, with the direct threat that the rest of them are just as ready to go.
In my mind it was a shit-test for Trump after he flipped positions on Assad staying in power. Assad had to know how far he could push his hand.
Yeah because these 2 are the only faction that exist there. ISIS is not with the rebels to begin with and Al Queda represent a very small number of the entire rebels forces and they can be easily separated from the FSA (it already happened in the peace negotiation). The idea that fighting Alassad somehow means fighting for ISIS and Alnusra (they already denounced their relationship to Al Queda btw) is wrong but I guess the Russian propaganda worked.
I wish this is true but I highly doubt it.
I don't share your optimism, let's put it that way. If there is no domino effect from this in such a tumultuous area then it will be truly amazing.
I'm glad everyone is piling in on this guy, that was the most ridiculous 'exchange' i've ever read. You should be embarrassed
People seem to forget that Russia is a ally. A shady one, but none the less, still an ally
That doesn't sound super successful.
They are not an ally. If you kill Russians, there will be a response. Even Trump knows that which is why they were warned.
leatherhat
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Everyone who disagrees with me is a Russian agent
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