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[JesseEwiak]

Yes I know Queens is diverse, thanks for the hot takes everybody.

The Burger King Kids Club approach to diversity just doesn't do it for me when you're getting adaptations of characters in name only that aren't gonna go anywhere. Ned Leeds gonna become the Hobgoblin? Flash Thompson gonna become Agent Venom with a drunk dad backstory? Nope. It's dead end casting.

Spectacular Spider-Man the cartoon remains this gold standard of a moving image adaptation of the webbed wonder because it did all this shit real good:

Why can't Asian Ned Leeds be the Hobgoblin? But regardless, if they created new characters, people would bitch legacy characters were being sidelined by new SJW diversity characters.

Also that only looks like a good cast if Spider-Man has moved to Iowa.

 

[Slayven]

Yes I know Queens is diverse, thanks for the hot takes everybody.

The Burger King Kids Club approach to diversity just doesn't do it for me when you're getting adaptations of characters in name only that aren't gonna go anywhere. Ned Leeds gonna become the Hobgoblin? Flash Thompson gonna become Agent Venom with a drunk dad backstory? Nope. It's dead end casting.

Spectacular Spider-Man the cartoon remains this gold standard of a moving image adaptation of the webbed wonder because it did all this shit real good:

How was the movie? Since you knows how it goes down

 

[MattKeil]

Yes I know Queens is diverse, thanks for the hot takes everybody.

The Burger King Kids Club approach to diversity just doesn't do it for me when you're getting adaptations of characters in name only that aren't gonna go anywhere. Ned Leeds gonna become the Hobgoblin? Flash Thompson gonna become Agent Venom with a drunk dad backstory? Nope. It's dead end casting.

Spectacular Spider-Man the cartoon remains this gold standard of a moving image adaptation of the webbed wonder because it did all this shit real good:

None of the questions you ask can be answered without seeing the movie, so I eagerly await your early review.

 

[caliph95]

It's not like Ned Leeds and Flash was going to be Venom and Green Goblin anyway regardless of race.

 

[Gordon Shumway]

Forced diversity..can't wait to stop hearing such trash. And in fucking Queens lol..

 

[SephCast]

First we ask for characters to not be whitewashed in movies, then we complain when Asian actors get placed into (seemingly) major supporting roles. That's really what made me happy about this, more representation!

 

[George Oscar Bluth II]

Forced diversity..can't wait to stop hearing such trash. And in fucking Queens lol..

NYC, California and London have such forced diversity smh

 

[Deepwater]

Yes I know Queens is diverse, thanks for the hot takes everybody.

The Burger King Kids Club approach to diversity just doesn't do it for me when you're getting adaptations of characters in name only that aren't gonna go anywhere. Ned Leeds gonna become the Hobgoblin? Flash Thompson gonna become Agent Venom with a drunk dad backstory? Nope. It's dead end casting.

Spectacular Spider-Man the cartoon remains this gold standard of a moving image adaptation of the webbed wonder because it did all this shit real good:

You think we're actually going to get the HobGoblin at some point?

lolololol

 

[kirblar]

This is not a good reason to make all of Peter's friends lily white in Queens, nor is it sufficient explanation for the dumb 'forced diversity' argument. I looked up some high schools in Queens, it's a damn rainbow of color, and I'd rather see that represented in a movie set in New York about a New York kid in a New York high school instead of another fucking episode of Friends or Seinfeld.

I'm not making an argument to make them lily white, I'm trying to give an explanation for the reactions. I'm not cosigning the reactions.

 

[Elegant Weapon]

Yes I know Queens is diverse, thanks for the hot takes everybody.

The Burger King Kids Club approach to diversity just doesn't do it for me when you're getting adaptations of characters in name only that aren't gonna go anywhere. Ned Leeds gonna become the Hobgoblin? Flash Thompson gonna become Agent Venom with a drunk dad backstory? Nope. It's dead end casting.

Spectacular Spider-Man the cartoon remains this gold standard of a moving image adaptation of the webbed wonder because it did all this shit real good:

You're the one that came with the fuego take that diversity in a film set in NYC is somehow forced.

You even implied it was somehow due to Sony, even though their previous Spider-Man films haven't had any prominent or even supporting characters of color of significance

and you compared this films diversity to the Pepsi ad where a pop brings the whole world together, rather than the simple idea that a Queens school isn't filled with just white kids and this film about Queens school kids shouldn't be casted with just white kids

It's a shame these characters have more potential as white guys, to you and their color makes it "dead end casting"

 

[.JayZii]

Thanks for the hot takes everybody.

They learned it from watching you, Dad!

 

[Hellion]

Ignoring the Ganke-theft for a second, the film cast minority actors in a lot of roles without changing the very "white" names ("Ned Leeds" isn't the only incidence of this) so I get how that specific aspect could feel artificial.

Because most white people don't have many non-white people in their social circles. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...rs-of-whites-dont-have-any-non-white-friends/

I went to a pretty diverse HS, but lunchtime looked like the cafeteria in OITNB.

T H A N K Y O U !!!

couldn't even cast New Yorkers...

 

[Slayven]

You think we're actually going to get the HobGoblin at some point?

lolololol

We going to get all the goblins. Mecha, Demon, and The Goblin Queen

 

[SigmasonicX]

Yes I know Queens is diverse, thanks for the hot takes everybody.

The Burger King Kids Club approach to diversity just doesn't do it for me when you're getting adaptations of characters in name only that aren't gonna go anywhere. Ned Leeds gonna become the Hobgoblin? Flash Thompson gonna become Agent Venom with a drunk dad backstory? Nope. It's dead end casting.

Spectacular Spider-Man the cartoon remains this gold standard of a moving image adaptation of the webbed wonder because it did all this shit real good:

SSM also changes some character races, such Liz Allen.

 

[caliph95]

We going to get all the goblins. Mecha, Demon, and The Goblin Queen

Same time we are getting The Inheritors and Symbiotes not named Venom and Carnage

 

[ElBoxyBrown]

Yes I know Queens is diverse, thanks for the hot takes everybody.

The Burger King Kids Club approach to diversity just doesn't do it for me when you're getting adaptations of characters in name only that aren't gonna go anywhere. Ned Leeds gonna become the Hobgoblin? Flash Thompson gonna become Agent Venom with a drunk dad backstory? Nope. It's dead end casting.

Spectacular Spider-Man the cartoon remains this gold standard of a moving image adaptation of the webbed wonder because it did all this shit real good:

None of the cast of Spider-Man in the comics need to be white. Them being white was never important to their character. You can have anyone portray these characters.

 

[Litan]

Yes I know Queens is diverse, thanks for the hot takes everybody.

The Burger King Kids Club approach to diversity just doesn't do it for me when you're getting adaptations of characters in name only that aren't gonna go anywhere. Ned Leeds gonna become the Hobgoblin? Flash Thompson gonna become Agent Venom with a drunk dad backstory? Nope. It's dead end casting.

Spectacular Spider-Man the cartoon remains this gold standard of a moving image adaptation of the webbed wonder because it did all this shit real good:

Right...it's not acceptable to just have a cast as diverse as actual Queens. If the minority characters aren't going to turn into villains, then what's the point?
Because that's the only way those characters will actually work.

You have no idea what they are doing with these characters so spare us the nonsense. It felt ' forced' to you for the same reason these things always feel 'forced' to other people.
That image of Spectacular doesn't even prove your point. It does the exact opposite.

 

[Boss Doggie]

Remember this guy from Ant Man?

Nah, they tend to chop and screw side characters in these movies

Also wasn't Yellow Jacket one of Ant Man's identity?

 

[Slayven]

SSM also changes some character races, such Liz Allen.

Never liked the running joke of Hobie not getting to speak

 

[caliph95]

Also wasn't Yellow Jacket one of Ant Man's identity?

Yeah but in the latest Ant-man he became Yellowjacket after the movie.

 

[Chiaroscuro]

harry didn't meet peter until college anyways IIRC, makes no sense for him to be a best friend. His character archetype probably also did not fit into the story of a young peter anyways.

Someone did not read Ultimate Spider-man...

But yeah, Harry was overused. I am ok with the replacement but not with not keeping his name.

 

[Kurdel]

lSpectacular Spider-Man the cartoon remains this gold standard of a moving image adaptation of the webbed wonder because it did all this shit real good:

"No,no, no people you got it all wrong! This is the correct amount of whites!"

Never understood this kind of argument.

 

[Deepwater]

Someone did not read Ultimate Spider-man...

But yeah, Harry was overused. I am ok with the replacement but not with not keeping his name.

wow there are different comic book continuities! Who would have thunkit

Edit: To this point, the MCU/Spidey-Verse is a completely different universe than 616 or 1616, if you expect origins and storylines to be exactly the same you're setting yourself up for failure.

A lot of "not muh ____" can't view the MCU movies as their own iteration of these characters rather than adaptations of existing comic book stories

 

[Shaanyboi]

Yes I know Queens is diverse, thanks for the hot takes everybody.

The Burger King Kids Club approach to diversity just doesn't do it for me when you're getting adaptations of characters in name only that aren't gonna go anywhere. Ned Leeds gonna become the Hobgoblin? Flash Thompson gonna become Agent Venom with a drunk dad backstory? Nope. It's dead end casting.

Spectacular Spider-Man the cartoon remains this gold standard of a moving image adaptation of the webbed wonder because it did all this shit real good:

Please don't try and evoke Spectacular Spider-Man as some kind of defense for your terrible argument.

 

[SpaceWolf]

I like Spiderman.

 

[caliph95]

Well that took a turn

 

[Jorok Goldblade]

What about Ned prevents him from being Hobgoblin exactly? How many movies do you think they're going to make?

According to Sony, exactly two.


Ned never was Hobgoblin. Marvel tried to change the outcome of the Hobgoblin mystery when fans figured out that he was Roderick Kingsley, then retconned it into Ned being framed by Kingsley after they were rightfully called out by fans for breaking the implicit contract behind all mystery stories.

 

[LewieP]

I'm interested to see what they are doing with Miles in this movie.

I wonder if maybe they are gonna eventually do a thing where Miles stays in the MCU and Peter goes back to Sony at the end of the current deal between Sony/Disney.

 

[Salty Rice]

MJ looks amazing in this pic

But she isnt in this pic.

 

[MC Safety]

The interesting thing about the early run of Amazing Spider-Man was that it wasn't Spider-Man and his amazing pals.

Peter Parker was a bullied kid, not a Gap commercial model. He had to find his way on his own, without a mentor and without friends.

So here's a kid who had every right to be angry, to be mean, to lash out at the world, and he chose to be a good guy.

 

[Manmademan]

Que? Forced how? And please don't say that the racial diversity in this film is forced.

What do you mean forced

No, that looks like Queens in 2017, the most diverse place in America.

Your only exposure to new york is Girls and Friends right?

Peter goes to school in Queens...

Why is it always considered forced when a game, book, comic, movie, or tv show wants a diverse cast? He's going to school in NY.

yeah, super forced, what type of weirdo friend group consists of people from different ethnicities amiright /s

2017 New York, friend. Queens, no less.

Love the smell of a post backfire in the morning

 

[Elegant Weapon]

I like Spiderman.

I love Spider-Man

 

[Fancyarcher]

The changing of names is so weird and kinda lazy. Can't say I disagree about what Bendis is saying. The lack of Ganke is unfortunate.

Don't they do this relatively often in comic book movies?

Iron Man 2 for instance took the character of crimson dynamo and gave him whiplash's powers.

The bad guy in Iron Man 3 was a super obscure comic book character too

That's because Iron Man 3 was based off the Extremis arc in which Aldrich Killian played a role, however they turned him into the villain in IM3, whereas he was more of a morally gray characters in the comics.

 

[Chiaroscuro]

wow there are different comic book continuities! Who would have thunkit

Edit: To this point, the MCU/Spidey-Verse is a completely different universe than 616 or 1616, if you expect origins and storylines to be exactly the same you're setting yourself up for failure.

A lot of "not muh ____" can't view the MCU movies as their own iteration of these characters rather than adaptations of existing comic book stories

I was refering to what you said that Harry would not fit the role of Peter's pal in high school because in classic 616 they only met in college. Ultimate storyline proved it was possible but the fact Harry is not in this movie is because he was overused in past films.

 

[geomon]

Bendis has been fucking up other people's characters for years so, turn about is fair play?

 

[Deepwater]

I was refering to what you said that Harry would not fit the role of Peter's pal in high school because in classic 616 they only met in college. Ultimate storyline proved it was possible but the fact Harry is not in this movie is because he was overused in past films.

I mean, it's not a fact, just likely conjecture based on (likely) assumptions lol

 

[Gordon Shumway]

NYC, California and London have such forced diversity smh

It's disgusting..

 

[Spring-Loaded]

The extended school cast feels incredibly forced and without even a hint of nuance. Reeks of Sony moreso than Marvel.

Promo shots like this are kinda fitting when you consider Spider-Man sports Pepsi colours.

If there's more than one minority, it's forced.

All white people in Queens tho? 👌

 

[Khaz]

My only problem with notGanke is how they can do a SpiderMiles film without realGanke. It already looks like they are merging Peter and Miles for the film, making another spiderteen in the future will be difficult.

 

[kirblar]

My only problem with notGanke is how they can do a SpiderMiles film without realGanke. It already looks like they are merging Peter and Miles for the film, making another spiderteen in the future will be difficult.

"Queens in 201X" was pretty specifically a Miles thing on top of Ganke himself. Straight up jacking his setting and sidekick pretty much says they don't think Miles is happening at any point in the next decade.

 

[Nesotenso]

Flash can't become Agent Venom because he's Indian? Why?

They have changed Flash completely with what seems like a stupid casting. And the actor isn't Indian

 

[Gordon Shumway]

If there's more than one minority, it's forced.

All white people in Queens tho? 👌

 

[CO_Andy]

My highschool life in a nutshell.

Ya'll need to git out more cuz the photo isn't unrealistic.

 

[Slayven]

Damn i been looking for the name of that song for a month

 

[Hades Hotgun]

The extended school cast feels incredibly forced and without even a hint of nuance. Reeks of Sony moreso than Marvel.

Promo shots like this are kinda fitting when you consider Spider-Man sports Pepsi colours.

I am gonna go ahead and agree with the idea that this casting is absolutely forced.

In fact, I will go one further and say this is just pandering to a group of people who cry foul whenever they aren't overwhelmingly represented and anyone denying that is basically choosing to ignore the reality starring them in the face.

Spoiler

Pete should have been played by Donald Glover.

 

[RRockman]

Why couldn't this movie be about Miles in the first place?

 

[Inferno313]

They have changed Flash completely with what seems like a stupid casting. And the actor isn't Indian

Eh, I don't know about "changed completely" he's still going to be a bit of a dick/bully. He won't be physically harassing Peter, but he's going to be depicted as, in Tom Holland's words: "a rich, smug kid commenting on how bad his[Peter's] trainers were."

 

[Nesotenso]

Why couldn't this movie be about Miles in the first place?

because Miles isn't Peter.

I am gonna be interested to see how Sony adapts Miles's mess of a backstory now. Is his universe gonna be transplanted or some shit? mother dead and then not dead.

Eh, I don't know about "changed completely" he's still going to be a bit of a dick/bully. He won't be physically harassing Peter, but he's going to be depicted as, in Tom Holland's words: "a rich, smug kid commenting on how bad his[Peter's] trainers were."

That is fundamentally changing the character.

 

[Nudull]

The extended school cast feels incredibly forced and without even a hint of nuance. Reeks of Sony moreso than Marvel.

Promo shots like this are kinda fitting when you consider Spider-Man sports Pepsi colours.

Hm...

 

[whatsinaname]

After seeing that whole "Who created Caitlin Snow" fiasco, I wonder if these decisions are made purely on working around creator equity participation.

http://gerryconway.tumblr.com/post/117619743363/who-created-caitlin-snow-on-theflash-according