{Rumor} "iPhone 8" - New drawing/rendering leak

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gblues said:
It's got curved corners.

Curved. Corners.
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It's interesting to me how going back to the earliest Mac OS they used faux curved edges even if meant making the pixels black and unusable on the corners. Wasn't until later versions of OSX (now macOS) did they do away with it completely. And now we have real rounded edged displays.
 
hirokazu said:
Not really, most reports only state them having issues with the Touch ID since it'd be using a completely different tech that's currently slower and more prone to errors than the existing version.
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I'd say the camera is the hardest to get behind the screen. There's some specific solutions for Touch ID, so while there's apparently problems with reliability their patents for the other sensors seem more speculative. At least from a mass-production sense.

Not to say it won't happen, but if they are struggling with the fingerprint reader I don't have much hope for the others.
 
Kyoufu said:
Sides are actually the best. On the Xperia phones, it's on the power button. It's really great.

Samsung put it on the back near the camera lense which is just a double fail tbh.
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Where was it on the side?

Don't see how that's better than the bottom of the front, which is where the thumb naturally aligns.
 
DECK'ARD said:
I'd say the camera is the hardest to get behind the screen. There's some specific solutions for Touch ID, so while there's apparently problems with reliability their patents for the other sensors seem more speculative. At least from a mass-production sense.

Not to say it won't happen, but if they are struggling with the fingerprint reader I don't have much hope for the others.
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I mean Samsung couldnt get it to work and they would half ass it if they could. Apple probably doesnt want to put it in if its not going to provide the performance and reliability users expect.

If its on the back, and implemented correctly, I'd be fine with it. I doubt this anywhere near final and could be test hardware incase they really cant get it working reliably under the display.
 
Squalor said:
Where was it on the side?

Don't see how that's better than the bottom of the front, which is why the thumb naturally aligns.
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- On the left a Galaxy Note 5 with the "traditional" placing of the sensor at the home button.
- On the right an Xperia Z5. The thumb of the hand holding the phone is the placement of the sensor.

Now you tell me which is aligns most naturally :)

It works for both hands:
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So for righties it aligns perfectly with the thumb, for lefties it aligns perfectly with the index finger.
 
tiredheadcrab said:
I mean Samsung couldnt get it to work and they would half ass it if they could. Apple probably doesnt want to put it in if its not going to provide the performance and reliability users expect.

If its on the back, and implemented correctly, I'd be fine with it. I doubt this anywhere near final and could be test hardware incase they really cant get it working reliably under the display.
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If it's on the back, we all know it's a half step to get it truly behind the screen.....so if it comes out like this, I'll just wait for the real implementation.
 
Sony said:
Why? Have you actually used a phone that placed the sensor on the back in a good way (not looking at you S8)? It's a nice place for a sensor if done right.
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And how do you unlock the phone when its laying on your desk, where my phone sits a good 50% of the day.
 
TheCochese said:
If it is important enough to look at, it's important enough to pick it up.

Or they make stands. Probably get them on store.firstworldproblems.com
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Smartphones are essentially marketed as first world problem solver devices. If a phone is purposefully inconveniencing me then why would I buy it.
 
All these phones manufacturers never nailing a design makes me wanna go make my own phone, with blackjack, and hookers... In fact, forget the phone.
 
Squalor said:
The bottom front, obviously.

When using my phone, I've never held it like that because that doesn't leave me free to actually touch the screen.
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I don't believe for a second that you actually think the bottom front design is more convenient. You cannot convince me otherwise.

#ImFunAtParties
 
TheCochese said:
If it is important enough to look at, it's important enough to pick it up.

Or they make stands. Probably get them on store.firstworldproblems.com
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I have Cerebral Palsy so I appreciate the fact that I'm not the average user.

I had a Pixel XL for a few months and the fingerprint sensor being on the back was a pain in the ass for me as my device is flat on a desk or another surface for 90% of the day apart from when I commute. I mainly use my device when it's on a surface even if it's just my sofa next to me and the fingerprint sensor being on the front means it is so much easier to unlock it or buy Apps etc.

However looking around my office I see most of my colleagues use their devices in a similar way to me so maybe it's more common than I realised.
 
Deaf Spacker said:
I have Cerebral Palsy so I appreciate the fact that I'm not the average user.

I had a Pixel XL for a few months and the fingerprint sensor being on the back was a pain in the ass for me as my device is flat on a desk or another surface for 90% of the day apart from when I commute. I mainly use my device when it's on a surface even if it's just my sofa next to me and the fingerprint sensor being on the front means it is so much easier to unlock it or buy Apps etc.

However looking around my office I see most of my colleagues use their devices in a similar way to me so maybe it's more common than I realised.
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My cousin has CP, so I can understand. Obviously, I'm a bit over-snarky all the time and don't usually mean to come across as so.

What more my point was that these things are designed to be picked up and used primarily with thumbs, so either the front or the back really isn't a big deal when it comes to tying into that element of the design.

Is a fingerprint sensor on the back less convenient for it sitting on a flat surface? Sure. I do think there can be ways to get around that, though. Android's use of trusted devices is a good one for Smart Lock. It's something I miss terribly. If you have a paired device like a car, headphones, basically anything BT will keep the device unlocked within pairing distance. It was one of the best ways to get around the sensor being on the back of the 6P.

The other part I'll concede is that the chin sensor might be more convienent if you keep the device in a pocket anywhere above your waist. There, I could see grabbing it like that. But in my pants pocket I still grab my 7+ like I did my 6P, with my index finger 2/3 up the phone and the palm of my hand cradling the bottom corners. Feels way more secure than the thumb/index grab.

My guess is that Apple will ease the transition somehow via software or new features like a Smart Lock functionality. The chins were going to have to go at some point, and I don't know how viable having the sensor under the screen is going to be.


Enco said:
It means I can't use my phone whilst it's laying on the desk without entering a password.

Enough to make me against it.
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Again, though, why is picking it up an issue if you don't have a physical issue? That's what it is designed for.
 
TheCochese said:
It's not something that was ever an issue when I had a phone with a back sensor. Having it on the back unlocks the phone instantly when pulling from a pocket, and your grip is much more secure than trying to position your thumb to get at the button.
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It means I can't use my phone whilst it's laying on the desk without entering a password.

Enough to make me against it.
 
I take the point that for some who are used to peering at their phone without picking it up that could be a sticking point.

That said I use my phone mostly outside of office hours, because I'm working during those hours and not posting my coffee to Instagram. If you are going to use the phone for anything more than checking notifications, which can be done by pressing the power button anway - surely you are going to pick up the phone?

Out and about where I use it for payments / music / calls etc. the rear sensor is more convenient to me. It's a natural point for my index finger to rest as I bring the phone out.

This reminds me of the argument for having a smaller screen so your fingers can have better reach with one hand, it's not an argument today.
 
Rktk said:
I take the point that for some who are used to peering at their phone without picking it up that could be a sticking point.

That said I use my phone mostly outside of office hours, because I'm working during those hours and not posting my coffee to Instagram. If you are going to use the phone for anything more than checking notifications, which can be done by pressing the power button anway - surely you are going to pick up the phone?

Out and about where I use it for payments / music / calls etc. the rear sensor is more convenient to me. It's a natural point for my index finger to rest as I bring the phone out.

This reminds me of the argument for having a smaller screen so your fingers can have better reach with one hand, it's not an argument today.
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I think for a lot of people the phone is better when laying flat on a desk so they don't need to lift their arm when using it.

For me however this was never an issue. I'd always pick up my phone to browse and if I was going to read something in depth on my phone then I'd lay it down.

I never type out messages when it's laying flat as it's just weird for me to type like that. Always typed with 2 hands holding the device(like right now). I like the feature when picking the phone up it wakes the screen. Makes it easier to see notifications if I was away from my desk.

So laying flat on the desk for me isn't something I let my phone do throughout the day. As for a car mount again I see the issue but I have a Bluetooth enabled car so any calls that come in go through the car anyway. I never ever ever pick my phone up in the car. Pay attention to the road.

It was weird at first moving from an iPhone 6 to a nexus 6p because of the location but I adjusted to it and it was fine. It will be weird at first on an iOS device but not a deal breaker. If Apple can't manufacture the tech on a large scale yet then just wait. I think it will be a fine upgrade. I want that amoled screen, bigger batter, and no bezels.
 
All the supposed renders feature buttons. I wonder how long until Apple gives buttons up completely. With 3D Touch and curved glass along the edges of the phone, they don't seem necessary anymore.
 
TheCochese said:
Again, though, why is picking it up an issue if you don't have a physical issue? That's what it is designed for.
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Okay, since you seem serious with this, I'll explain it to you.

Imaging sitting in front of your PC/TV, maybe playing your favourite game with a controller, watching a movie or just surfing around the web.
Oh look at that, you got a mail!
Push the thumb on the button, open mail app, open mail, read the mail... done.
Wow, that was easy.
Oh, you wanna read a message in your chosen message app?
Push the thumb on the button, open the message app, read the message.... done.
That was darn convenient, you barely need to focus off what you're doing.
Hang on a minute, now I need to login somewhere and use my chosen ID software.
Dammit, do I have to take the phone up and use two hands for typing my password in?
No wait, I don't!

Convenience, that's all it's about.
 
DunderHassan said:
Okay, since you seem serious with this, I'll explain it to you.

Imaging sitting in front of your PC/TV, maybe playing your favourite game with a controller, watching a movie or just surfing around the web.
Oh look at that, you got a mail!
Push the thumb on the button, open mail app, open mail, read the mail... done.
Wow, that was easy.
Oh, you wanna read a message in your chosen message app?
Push the thumb on the button, open the message app, read the message.... done.
That was darn convenient, you barely need to focus off what you're doing.
Hang on a minute, now I need to login somewhere and use my chosen ID software.
Dammit, do I have to take the phone up and use two hands for typing my password in?
No wait, I don't!

Convenience, that's all it's about.
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That's not convenience, it's laziness. Which is fine, just be up front about it.

You know what's even more convenient? Waiting a few minutes and doing all that at once. ;)


But seriously, it's called app preview
 
TheCochese said:
That's not convenience, it's laziness. Which is fine, just be up front about it.

You know what's even more convenient? Waiting a few minutes and doing all that at once. ;)


But seriously, it's called app preview
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Doing a thing differently than you isn't lazy. It's different.

Having the button in the front gives you the option of checking your phone without picking it up. If the button is in the back, you have no option.

Why is having more options for that a bad thing?
 
For me, being in a language class and constantly recurring to Google Translate, I can't imagine the hassle it would have been to pick the phone up every time.

Would rather just insert the passcode tbh.
 
TheCochese said:
That's not convenience, it's laziness. Which is fine, just be up front about it.

You know what's even more convenient? Waiting a few minutes and doing all that at once. ;)


But seriously, it's called app preview
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Apple's next slogan: Stop being lazy.
 
plop said:
Doing a thing differently than you isn't lazy. It's different.

Having the button in the front gives you the option of checking your phone without picking it up. If the button is in the back, you have no option.

Why is having more options for that a bad thing?
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Because that option is essentially not going to exist in the future? But yes, there is a lot of laziness in it. Or immediacy. Or both.


But as I legitimately stated earlier, there are existing solutions to pretty much everything that has been said.
 
TheCochese said:
I don't have to pretend, I've used them.

Let's say Apple removes the home button. What for you then?
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Yeah figured as much, your solution being "pick it up" for everything that doesn't work with app preview.

And I don't even care about if they move the fingerprint sensor, but you gotta be kidding me if you can't see any use of having it on the front.
It's just.. mindblowing to me how much you fight it.
 
DunderHassan said:
Yeah figured as much, your solution being "pick it up" for everything that doesn't work with app preview.

And I don't even care about if they move the fingerprint sensor, but you gotta be kidding me if you can't see any use of having it on the front.
It's just.. mindblowing to me how much you fight it.
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You missed Smart Lock functionality. I had full access to my phone with this, even with gravity firmly tethering it to my desk.

Look, the sensor on front is nice. But having used both I feel the back is better.

Again though, what will all of you do that don't want this to change so badly? I'm not fighting it, it's not something I really care about either way. Significantly less than the people who are pissed about it for sure. We've already seen these companies will change what they want at a pace they want to, because everyone eventually succumbs. Might as well start getting used to it.
 
Uh did anyone discuss that new schematics show the fingerprint sensor on the back? Help us all if true
 
TheCochese said:
How many devices or wifi networks are you connected with right now? Have an Apple Watch?

C'mon.
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Hell no, I don't have an apple watch.
I rarely connect to WiFi since I have unlimited 4G data, I just don't need to bother with that shit.
And some people have friends, so you are not always at home, certainly not looking everywhere for WiFi, just so you can keep your phone unlocked while it's on the table.
And some people like to eat out, do you pair at restaurants too?
Some people work away from office with their laptop, do you connect to the magic wireless router 50 miles away?

No, YOU c'mon.

Edit: I find it hilarious that you actually argue for having it unlocked at all times so it's possible to use it without picking up the phone, meaning.... I don't even know what the fuck you're arguing about.
 
DunderHassan said:
Hell no, I don't have an apple watch.
I rarely connect to WiFi since I have unlimited 4G data, I just don't need to bother with that shit.
And some people have friends, so you are not always at home, certainly not looking everywhere for WiFi, just so you can keep your phone unlocked while it's on the table.
And some people like to eat out, do you pair at restaurants too?
Some people work away from office with their laptop, do you connect to the magic wireless router 50 miles away?

No, YOU c'mon.
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People are different?

These threads.
 
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